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apainter
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 56
Canada

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I completely understand how you feel, I have been down that path, have wanted to be dead because life is flavourless but I am still here, and today I am glad that I am still alive, I think one day you too will be glad to be alive, once you are dead you cannot change your mind, message me if you like, it sounds like you have a huge depression, like me, finally drugs have started working and I feel less sad, happy to be alive, though some days are worse than others, I hear you, deeply. jennie
Self esteem? how do you define that when happiness is at stake or at least a temporary form. thanks for replying
Thank you, you are absolutely correct. We both need to heal, we are both lost souls too. But it takes a different effect on me, he is used to a lot of solitude, I am not.
There is nothing I need to to do to get away except say goodbye, He is giving me some joy and happiness when I feel I am not being ignored or shut out, I know deep down the problem comes from myself. My friend cannot change that, but he could be a little more giving. So into him that all he has to do is talk to me, makes me smile, he picks me up, but probably deep down it's for the wrong reasons. So far unable to move in the direction of being happy because of who I am, thanks for replying.
maybe some of you have read my posts before, (though I always posted in ask the guys): Posts follow the same unfortunate trend: concerns same friend same pain. Do the current details matter much?, I have been so so low over this so despondent, I have to stop the relationship, but I still feel so much in my heart, but I give and give and give and get sometimes something, often just crumbs back or nothing or too much selfishness disguised as "this is who I am your choice" kind of response. My heart is breaking too often too much, how do I stop? Obviously I am having trouble with the cold turkey method. Too low self esteem as well.
ok so this is the rage cage, so screw my lover who won't love me back, I don't care if I cannot accept his ""ïs"". I just wanted a few kisses before I left aftermaking him a lovely boeuf bourgignon. Being a feminist in love is a contradiction in terms
Quote by littlebirdie92
One thing I don't see talked about much on here is aftercare. We all know that finding someone is important and how to find them. The things you do with them. What hard and soft limits someone has. What about aftercare? I know for me, after having rough play time, I need some love. For example: Having my ass rubbed with lotion after an intense canning or paddling, or even just cuddling.



Subs, what are the top 3 aftercare things a Dom can do to help you recalibrate back to normal?

Doms, what are the top 3 aftercare things you enjoy/need to give a sub after a play session?


The term you use ""aftercare"" freaks me out. it is the exact same term my friend has said to me after we had a session. I already have a problem with the idea that there is ""äftercare"" like an obligation before I am sent home; also a problem. So tell me plase how you feel about what that term implies. Also I think one of my soft limits needs to become one of my hard limits because I am getting too hurt, but I am hesitant to talk about it because we are having problems with intimacy already and I am worried this will only make it worse. I need a little more sensuality and kissing in particular. My friend seems to be less and less into it.
Quote by buttercup2u
Just a couple of questions for you....What would happen I you stayed beyond the allotted time? Do you only meet at his place? Is this really good enough for you?

Quite personally, I think he seems to be self absorbed and perhaps even selfish requiring you to leave by a certain time. His obsession with time may be just one of his little quirks, but do you really want to be in a relationship with someone who isn't truly committed to you? Someone who is constantly pushing you away? From what I see here, he seems to be telling you that the relationship is strictly friends with benefits .... if you continue to see him, that is all it will likely ever be, there is an old saying about paying for milk when you already own the cow. Perhaps you should consider spending less time trying to force the relationship into what you want and should look elsewhere for the special man who will cherish the time that the two of you spend together. A man who will do things to prolong the time it takes to say good night at the end of the evening.

I think that if you continue to settle for what he is willing to give, then in the long run, you will end up resenting him. Especially if you are wanting more from the relationship. Not only do you risk resenting him in the long run, but you may ultimately appear unavailable to the one who will treat you the way your heart seems to be longing to be treated. You can still go back to being just friends with him and no benefits ....

If I were you, I would search my heart to decide if what you have with him is truly enough for you. Good luck!



very wise words and so hard to enact, have been really touched by everyone's thoughtful comments. Thanks
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Sounds totally OCD if you ask me. I can't believe he gathers your stuff and has you leave. Wow..that's extreme. Unless you get to the bottom of it, you'll eventually reach breaking point..and not return..if if there is not some kind of equality with how much you put into the relationship, it will fail. It's just a matter of time.

the pretense is to help me focus, but it is really about control, he says he has healthy boundaries, then we come apart over if this issue in particular, and he replies that maybe he is just meant to be separate and isolationist, but when we talk about it in that context he becomes sad, really does. Also says that he can never has never experienced love, he says will never use that word in a context with me.

How can I let him know that there has to be a halfway point? A point where I feel there is some balance in the power dynamic?, he says he gets tired, needs to be alone and I don't pick up on the ''cues", but deep down it is because he just wants to make sure that he is always in total control of his environment. He is a solitary person, but is very devoted to me, acts and does things for me that show me that. I know this experience is also a way for me to deal with rejection, something that has been a combat for me my whole life
Wow, I have spilled a lot. Guess I needed to write this out, thank you for reading btw
Hmmm. Thanks for the feedback. This is not only about time, but about being efficient, but for what? However, my friend has certain amazing characteristics that keep me really really attached, like his ability to listen, to see his flaws even if he cannot and does not want to change particularly. He is also an amazing lover and a very intelligent and deep person, we have been together, and have been thru a lot, for almost 2 years. I feel like he is my soul mate, a source of great joy, but also sorrow.
Quote by Metilda
Does he have anything else he does so habitually by the clock? Ask him.

Reminds me of my ex (boyfriend) who had a bit of - I wouldn't say disorder - but a mental 'consition' and he was insanely tedious over time. Like - everything was scheduled in his day by the clock. Of course things happened out of sync and it would ruin his mood.

I found it intolerable because I rarely notice the time


How did you deal with that? Did he refuse to spend the night with you for example?
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This.
I know its not what you want to hear. You are making defenses in your head. but ultimately this is the advice you need to listen to and take.


Yes, you are probably right. Guess I am too afraid to say fully what I cannot tolerate, though he knows, I know he does not want to lose me either, though he hinted that if this stuff continues he might consider the "friend only"option. I told him that was not an option for me. And I still think of myself as a feminist whatever that means.
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I'm with Dancing_Doll and naughtynurse on this one.

You've got a bit of a catch-22 here, and really, the only one to lose anything in this relationship is you. I really suggest you take DD's words to heart, because she's really got it spot on.

Good luck!



I know DD is right, so are you, but I am really attached and the heart wants what the heart wants, pain be damned. I think I am exploring an aspect of my personality and sexuality that is painful; about rejection; about body image. (I also have a physical handicap) also about being a different role than in the rest of my life.4k0EK4chh1FSTF0j
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This part is his way of saying "don't get emotionally attached to me. If this upsets you then we need to take a step back and cool things down until you have perspective again"... in a warped way, he's thinking he's protecting you from getting too attached and ultimately getting hurt by placing expectations on him and the relationship. ___

Wow I am impressed not only buy your talent as a writer, but also your capacity to pinpoint what is going on", he has repeatedly told me never to expect more from him than a ""special"" friendship which I am ok with for the most part, except it is always always him that decides what those parameters are. And yes we do discuss the imbalance of power in our relationship and those discussions are good until I just break down in tears, and sometimes he knows of the break down and feels that I am asking him to go beyond the boundaries and says that he feels awful and must protect himself and that comes in the form of staying away. Says that I also don't pick up on social cues about when to leave. Though he has admitted openly that he has serious control issues and is very very narcissistic. He knows how much I care, I wear my heart on my sleeve, he says "thank you" everytime.

I suspect you probably walk on eggshells a bit with him so as to not tip him over the edge or trigger his douchey behaviour. (Oh yes) You probably don't tell him what you want in the relationship and I'll bet you don't tell him how much you care and how invested you are in this. If you aren't saying these things, he thinks he's doing nothing wrong. From his perspective - you are totally cool with everything when you're not placing demands on him and just clearing out at his whim. This is what he will fall back on if/when this blows up. He will claim that he had no idea you were so emotionally attached in the first place and that hey, he didn't make any promises or lead you on.

Your best bet is to say what you want and what you won't tolerate and let the chips fall where they may. If he walks, then consider the benefits of not wasting anymore time with him and involving your heart more than you already have. Cause really - if he's going to walk over you saying you don't want to be treated this way, this wasn't much of a relationship to begin with. It's kind of like putting off the inevitable. It's going to hurt however it happens but at least you're doing it on your own terms.
Thank you all for your thoughtful answers,
first of all there is no one else in the picture,this I know, so that is not the issue. He is very into efficiency, even in his time with me, is he a distant or non present lover, not at all. But his need for controlling everything, being efficient even when we are just relaxing together is omnipresent and our time together is planned in advance because of this fact. He knows that I have become very upset about it, and has made efforts to be "more gentle", and has said to me that he starts preparing my departure one hour in advance, which in my mind really hurts because he is feeling that he wants me gone an hour in advance of the fact, and we are not talking about spending 6-8 hours together, often it is 3 or 3.5. I am so, (too) attached to this man, really love him, and sometimes feel loved back, when I can pretend this part doesn't exist. It upsets him too when I relay my feelings and his response is to say well I need to protect us both so you can't come over for a while", then I feel like I am being "punished" for voicing feeling hurt.
Why would a guy be obsessed with having his lover come visit only for a very specified time. No one else is in the picture, no meeting job ect to rush off to. And yet there is a specified time to be out by. And sometimes it's hard to deal with. Will have spent a wonderful afternoon, evening, then it's "" ok you have to leave in 5 minutes" clothes get carried to the couch and a reminder is given to ""focus"". We have had many a negative outcome over this, and it is still a problem to the point where we do not get together because of this separation issue. It is always in this direction, I am never rushing him, even if I do have a shot amount of time available. Any reflections on this particular " always a bachelor"" attitude. Is this very unusual or not?
All your responses seem very black or white, where are all the shades of grey that define us as human?. Pain love sex devotion pleasure loyalty children friendship desire hope, lust loneliness ect ect all these adjectives describe why someone "has an affair" whatever that patriarchal term is intended to imply. Isn't this website a"type of äffair" in and of itself.
All your responses seem very black or white, where are all the shades of grey that define us as human?. Pain love sex devotion pleasure loyalty children friendship desire hope, lust loneliness ect ect all these adjectives describe why someone "has an affair" whatever that patriarchal term is intended to imply. Isn't this website a"type of äffair" in and of itself.
All your responses seem very black or white, where are all the shades of grey that define us as human?. Pain love sex devotion pleasure loyalty children friendship desire hope, lust loneliness ect ect all these adjectives describe why someone "has an affair" whatever that patriarchal term is intended to imply. Isn't this website a"type of äffair" in and of itself.
All your responses seem very black or white, where are all the shades of grey that define us as human?. Pain love sex devotion pleasure loyalty children friendship desire hope, lust loneliness ect ect all these adjectives describe why someone "has an affair" whatever that patriarchal term is intended to imply. Isn't this website a"type of äffair" in and of itself.
Quote by seeker4
You mention your mental health. Have you considered that his mental health may be the issue? Sounds like a possible bout of depression to me. I know it will be hard to bring up with him directly in the current state but maybe do reading up on depression in men to see if you can get some ideas of how to broach the subject.

Counselling for you might also open the door to getting him to talk to someone about it. Again, I know men can be pretty resistant to seeing psychologists or other counselling professionals but looking for a way to get a foot in the door to break down that resistance is something the counsellor might be able to help with.

Just a thought based on some personal experiences.


You are so right about depression, we have talked about it, definitely there, things are better now, but for how long? Still feel controlled by his emotional states too deeply, but maybe that is also a reflection of me not being very secure in myself, which is the case.
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I don't know all of the situation, but here are some general thought on the matter as a whole.

I feel that if one part of a relationship feels neglected, it should be addressed. Sometimes it is not the case, and that has to be shown as well. But many times it is the case. We see excuses like, work, video games, family problems (outside the relationship or family/pair unit), and other things. For me these are simply not acceptable excuses/reasons for neglecting your partner.

Most everyone have plenty of excuses they could give for neglecting their partner, but I frankly don't buy any of them..... except depression and loss of interest. Depression should be dealt with. And loss of interest, well that all depends on WHY it happened. Sometimes it can be worked on and fixed, and other times it can't be. We see plenty of relationships fizzle out after the initial passion and excitement of a "new thing" wares off. It happens. It SUCKS, but it happens. And it most often leaves one party feeling used and then worthless.

YOUR man on the other hand sounds like he had some significant baggage going into the relationship anyways. You may or may not be able to work through those things. But I never recommend people trying to settle down with people who need "fixing", because in most cases you can NOT fix them. Get them fixed before making any real commitment with them. You may actually find that once they have taken care of their issues, you may not actually LIKE them. Many times people are attracted to the wounded animal, whether they realize it or not. And it almost always ends poorly.
My lover is a man who is pretty closed and guarded, struggling with a lot of stuff in his life, is currently holed up with a video game for several days, says leave him be, is tuning me out, says not to take it personally, has even gotten angry at me for telling him I want to be there for him, need him, woke up in tears because I miss him so much, this angered him too, I am so in love with this man, he tells me he has never experienced love, ever, but is very very fond of me, cares for me ect. I adore this man, this current episode is really hurting me, feel so weak, he thinks I am making this about "me", feels "annoyed" I see it as more closing up, don't know how to act, I told him I loved him, he said "thank you". Should I play distant, but I cannot be something that I am not, I wear my heart on my sleeve, it suits him sometimes, touches him, I feel too much at the mercy of his moods, detrimental to my mental health even. Then he will "come back" tell me he misses me and I will be so happy. Pretty bad?