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WhoIsJohnGalt
Over 90 days ago
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I seriously hated working out--all types of exercise from walking to running to weights. It was painful and boring and uncomfortable and sweaty. Then: I hired a personal trainer. And yes, I hated it at first. But it got better and better as I persisted and now I love it!
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Quote by honeydipped
sex with multiple people and [frequency]...do either/both guarantee a fulfilling sex life?


In my opinion, the short answer is no. Here's why:

For me, a fulfilling sex life has 4 dimensions:
1. Frequency--so, yes, that's part of it. But keep reading
2. Variety--so, yes, multiple people can fulfill that, but not if all of them are similar and express their sexuality in the same ways and positions, etc.
3. Intensity--even if variety and frequency are present, I also require intensity of a physical and emotional nature.
4. Alignment with expectations--lowering expectations is the easiest way to achieve fulfillment (please no jokes about the Mad TV sketches), but can also lead to long-term dissatisfaction if expectations are kept artificially low for too long.

have those factors changed over the duration of your sex life?


They have become more and more familiar, well-understood and accepted. The lack of any of them has become more problematic and urgent.

what would you rate your sex life on a scale from one to ten; with one being unsatisfying and ten being extremely satisfying?


Zero. However, it can swing up into the 2 or 3 range from moment to moment when hope is high. Hope is everything. It kept me going through many dark years.
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Quote by noll
I believe many men who express their street admiration expect at least some response, and perhaps even a positive one if they truly believe their admiration should be considered a compliment.


I can agree with this statement. I'm wondering what you would say they/we expect the form of that positive response to be? Eye contact? A smile? A positive comment back? Do you think men expect a woman to walk over, give him her phone number, whisper a sweet nothing in his ear, flash him a little private peek and invite him to her place?

Some even get angry if the object of their admiration doesn't respond positively.


I think there's probably some truth in this, too. Although I think the degree of truth ranges from a grain of frustration in a few men to a rare cumulative ball of rage.

On the whole, I think the majority of men who cat call consider it kind of a game to see if they can get any response at all. Some of them feel pressured into it by other men and haven't given the least thought toward the women at all; they're only thinking about how they fit into the male social order. Most probably actually do feel some attraction toward the women they're drawing attention to but are at a loss for a better way to approach them given the brevity of the encounter and the literal distance between them. So they fall back on what they've witnessed other men doing and rationalize that it's no worse than what they've seen in other situations. "Besides," they tell themselves, "If she's not flattered, that's her problem," or, "If she has a sense of humor, she'll think it's funny."

When they do get a positive response from a woman, I think they're almost always shocked and pleasantly surprised and don't know what to do with it. So if you want to see a cat-caller completely thrown off his game and teased relentlessly by his buddies, smile and wink at him while walking away.

And I don't think more than one man in a thousand has ever considered that their comment could make a woman feel threatened or unsafe. Especially when there are other people around and more than an arm's length between the two of them.
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Quote by Verbal
Excuse me, but could your wife, who is very hot but not as hot as you, hold this gigantic bag of cash while I tell you sincerely that I couldn't forgive myself if I didn't ask you if you'd like to go out for a cup of coffee?

I'll have this engraved "Mr. Smooth"
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Thank you for expressing your opinion, sprite! I identify with your self-deprecating nature, although I wish more self-confidence for us both!
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Quote by 1nympholes
John I had never thought of my actions in that light but you could be right...I guess not every woman can wear this shoe. Sorry if I have over stepped.


I have no idea whether my hypothesis is correct or not, I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility for discussion.

John Galt, most likely you received positive responses from more sexually liberal woman who are confident in there sexuality and have little fear of strange men. Like me and a couple of others who commented in a more positive way.


Huh. I'd like to know more about "sexually liberal women." I would like to know more such women - on this site and elsewhere.
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Quote by BethanyFrasier

Verbal was talking about unapproachable looks, not attitude. Some women are just so attractive, men feel they have no chance whatsoever with them.

I see. Thanks for the clarification. I must have incorrectly assumed that the looks and the attitude together were created to get the desired outcome. I guess you're saying some women just have those looks and can't make themselves more approachable no matter what they do?

I've always been very comfortable around guys, so I can bring them out of their shell when they're shy.

You have a wonderful gift!
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Thank you for your response, Ruthie! (Sorry to hear about some of your more alarming responses, though.) Do you mind if I ask some follow-up questions?

Quote by Ruthie
I don't like unsolicited attention....Women aren't as scary as men...I've never walked up to a man I don't know and told them that they look great, although I have given compliments to women I don't know and smiled at men I thought looked good.


If we follow the implications here (men = scarier; solicited attention = preferable; etc.), it sounds like women generally feel frightened when men they don't know approach them, unless they have approached the man first. Yet I don't think most women feel comfortable breaking the ice with men--I think it's in most of the world for women to approach a man they don't know. Am I the only one who sees the dilemma?
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Quote by noll
Isn't a big part of the problem that many 'admirers' expect a response? True admiration does not of course.
Like what if a guy came up to you and said something in the line of "I think you look smoking hot" and went on with his business, not expecting a response. Would that be OK? In a certain context perhaps?


Very interesting point. What kind of response do you think is expected?
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One of the concepts I've been hoping to get at in this thread is the idea of an "unwanted sexual advance," which bridges both street harassment and workplace harassment.
The problem seems to occur wherever there are clubs and bars, college campuses, chat rooms--wherever people meet. To me, this broadens the issue out beyond construction site wolf-whistling.

For many, the unwanted sexual advance seems to be rooted in a breach of etiquette in which the person making the advance has failed to see or has ignored a social signal that an advance is not welcome. Or perhaps they have mistook a "stop" sign for a "go" signal.

I wondered if anyone is willing to attempt to articulate what these stop and go signals look like and how they differ from each other?


Perhaps people who commit this faux pas are unable to differentiate between the different social signals? Are they lacking training or social instincts?

Is this problem exclusive to straight men?

Or perhaps they lack the motivation to differentiate and respond appropriately, being somewhat blinded by the objective of the sexual advance or by their own ego?



Or is this behavior even an unwanted sexual advance in the first place? Are these individuals just posing and showing off for each other with no real attempt to give attention or show admiration to women?
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Quote by browncoffee


Etiquette? Well, I would firstly expect them to be polite to each other. Like, 'hey, do you mind if I sit here, ask you something?' etc. If the person you're interested in engages in conversation, then cool. If they don't then don't push it. Just be natural, I guess. You should always treat people with kindness and respect.


Thank you!
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Quote by 1nympholes
Most my friends think I am an Attention Slut and so I may see this category differently than many women.

We all know when a person is giving us more attention than the situation requires. I am not offended in the least and may even encourage it.

I know some women find such attention not only inappropriate but a cause for fear and if you are constructed in that manner I really do understand.

That is just not me and I do not expect it will ever be me.


Thank you very much for expressing yourself on this topic! May I ask--do you know others who share your view or do you think you're alone in this opinion? And are there ways of giving you public attention that go too far or are all expressions encouraged and appreciated? Does it ever strike you that by encouraging this behavior in men you may be encouraging them to behave in ways that scare other women?
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Quote by BethanyFrasier
The trouble with being unapproachably pretty is that you only get approached by overconfident alpha males...

Huh. I always thought the unapproachable attitude was specifically calculated to filter out the beta channel and get a pure alpha stream. So you're saying that's not the intent of all the women who do it?

I think the reason I became so aggressive and self-confident myself was because I knew I was missing out on all the great guys who were too shy to approach me, so I started approaching them! #wantonslut

I like your approach! How is it working?
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Quote by Verbal
#imaguyanddecidedtorespondanyway

I don't have the confidence to come on to a total stranger, and I would never catcall or whistle, but back in my NYC daze there was a line that, while corny, had a lot of truth in it and I was always tempted to use: "I saw you and you were so pretty I knew I would regret it if I didn't ask you out for a drink or a cup of coffee. Interested?" There are a lot of unapproachably pretty women in NYC, and I often contemplated going up to one and trying it out. I fell in love with strangers on the subway nearly daily.

Actually, I am confident enough to believe I could hold up my end of a scintillating conversation if any woman ever said yes. But I was always too scared to ask.

Would any of you ladies have said "yes" to that line, if asked politely?


Thanks for saying this!
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Quote by browncoffee

3. How do you feel about quieter but still public forms of expressed "admiration" from men you don't know, such as unsolicited requests for attention, dates, phone numbers, etc.?

Not bothered, so long as he's polite.


Follow-up question: How would you describe the essential rules of etiquette for casual contact between strangers when one is attracted to the other?
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Omigod! I'm so sorry browncoffee!! I was really trying hard to respond to every single poster! You totally nailed my ineptitude!

#tryingtoohardtobeacceptedbywomenagain #fearofrejection

I really do appreciate your response X2!
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Quote by 69Kisses96
Men and women generally have starkly different perspectives on these situations.

Which is precisely why I asked for women's opinions on this.
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The use of the term "admiration" is a prime example. It would be hugely surprising for almost any woman to use that word in the context of this thread. Is every man who publicly catcalls a woman a ? Of course not. But these situations are almost never just about "admiration". They are often about men displaying their power to use words to keep women "in their place".

That's precisely why I used "scare quotes"--to imply that some may consider the behavior a form of giving a compliment while implying that other people may question that perception. At the same time, I was looking for a term that described the behavior without a long-winded explanation or a term that carries legal or accusatory weight (such as "harrassment".
Quote by 69Kisses96
My advice? If admiration is really what you intend, feel free to tell her that her hair, smile, eyes, etc. are attractive. Make it obvious that you have no ulterior motives. Are there times where you can be more sexual? Yes, but only if she unequivocally makes it clear that she is okay with that. Just imagine that all women and girls are full-fledged human beings.
That's the subject of the 3rd, 4th and 6th questions. So I very much appreciate you weighing in on them!
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Quote by Lauradj

If I am approached by someone in a public place, and they are polite and respectful to me, along with their flirtations (for example) then I will be nice and respectful to them in return. If they are rude to me, then I will most likely walk away or be rude back.


Thank you for giving us your perspective! It is very much appreciated!
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Quote by FirstBlush
Or would you rather be the one doing the tying?

If you've tried it, did you enjoy?


I have tried tying a woman up and being tied up by a woman. I enjoyed both equally. However, the women I have been with have been much less aroused by tying me up and much less inclined to repeat it. I assume that is because their sexuality is tied to a paradigm that values male aggression and initiative.
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I've tried just watching without touching myself but I can't. I'd have to be tied up or something.
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No. I work in an office where the two senior execs are men (50's, 70's) and the two juniors are women (20's, 40's). Just four people total. Nothing we discuss ever comes close to being a topic of a sexual nature.
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Yes. This has happened to me a number of times, typically under one of the following two circumstances:

1. At home masturbating but had people in the house and couldn't just hang out with my pants off and didn't want to wait until I had an empty house.

2. In a private room at a strip club, too excited to hold back, didn't want to get arrested for taking my pants off. (The strippers are very understanding and actually seem hurt if you don't leave their room with wet pants.)
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Never had it. Can't see why I wouldn't love it. Except for the awkward question of a night's worth of pee. What happens to that?
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God knows I would eat pussy 24/7 and more if there were more hours in a day, more days in a week or if I had more than one mouth. There are a few things that hold me back:

Minor factors -
1. Breathing - I need a technique that would allow me to breathe through an organ not on the front of my face.
2. Sleeping, eating, earning a living, bla bla bla
3. Marriage - it limits my opportunities.

Major factor -
Why are some women so reluctant to keep their pussies clean and clean-shaven? It's enough to put us pussy connoisseurs off our meals. You know the meals I'm talking about.
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Quote by mickey26
I just asked the girls and now it's our turn.would you masturbate in front of your wife or girlfriend? Yes. I do all the time.
How about a stranger? I have and enjoyed it.
How about another guy? Maybe. But I don't see the point to it. It wouldn't be exciting for me or him.
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I definitely fantasize about this. Once I am no longer in an unhappy marriage, this may change for me. We'll see.

I am not drawn at all to the humiliation aspects of cuckoldry, just to the fantasy of seeing my wife as a highly sexualized person, which I have never had the pleasure of witnessing in 32+ years of marriage. Or perhaps I am drawn to the idea that it would give me license to have an affair of my own. I'm not sure which is true.