The effects of COVID have varied widely around the world.
In Large nations like the US, Canada, China and the UK responses have varied depending on geographic locale and political ideology.
I was going to ask if you feel like your nation was adequately prepared, but honestly....
Nobody was.
Has your government met your expectations for this type of crisis?
What do you feel was lacking?
Has your government used this as a learning tool to prevent future outbreaks?
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How Satisfied are You With Your Nation's COVID Response?
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Quite true, no one was prepared for this. Living in the USA, l think the response is about a D+ if you use school grading. Too slow, too unorganized and chaotic, not uniform in material, and too politicized.
I do think in the future a better presidential administration can use this response to know how to do a much better job.
Currently, states have to do too much fending for themselves when it comes to protective equipment, tests (especially the newest tests). States have been competing with one another to purchase equipment and medicine from both domestic and foreign companies and governments. In the past, the federal government did that and states got what they needed from the feds. But not under Mr. Loves His Own Image Trump.
In the USA, we have a president who actually does not understand what his legal limitations on power are, nor the leadership he is supposed to take in a crisis. He flip flops on his actions and is clearly in over his head. And Trump often does not follow science, the advice of expert doctors.
With states not having much coordination and leadership from the federal government, there is no telling how long Covid-19 could keep popping up with hot spots.
I feel an organized, effective response could've resulted in fewer deaths, a shorter pandemic, and less economic damage.
I do think in the future a better presidential administration can use this response to know how to do a much better job.
Currently, states have to do too much fending for themselves when it comes to protective equipment, tests (especially the newest tests). States have been competing with one another to purchase equipment and medicine from both domestic and foreign companies and governments. In the past, the federal government did that and states got what they needed from the feds. But not under Mr. Loves His Own Image Trump.
In the USA, we have a president who actually does not understand what his legal limitations on power are, nor the leadership he is supposed to take in a crisis. He flip flops on his actions and is clearly in over his head. And Trump often does not follow science, the advice of expert doctors.
With states not having much coordination and leadership from the federal government, there is no telling how long Covid-19 could keep popping up with hot spots.
I feel an organized, effective response could've resulted in fewer deaths, a shorter pandemic, and less economic damage.
Mana wahine
I'm very satisfied with NZ's response to this and the work Jacinda and her team of experts have done. We've had 1,137 confirmed cases, 1,276 recovered, and 20 deaths. All of the deaths have been elderly people as our biggest cluster was a rest home. Those deaths are people at the end of the day though, and if we didn't take such strict action when we did, our death toll would've been a lot higher and recovery rate a lot lower.
I am currently unsure of the Government's plan for any future potential pandemic but I'm sure with this being an election year it's bound to come up at some point.
I am currently unsure of the Government's plan for any future potential pandemic but I'm sure with this being an election year it's bound to come up at some point.
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ScoMo (Scott Morrison) has done a great job for Australia. If it wasn't for the Ruby Princess, Australia would be doing even better than we are now.
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It's a good question, but ultimately I'll have to say, "Still too early to call."
Somewhat to my surprise (I'm not a fan of our Prime Minister, or our state Premier), Australia has done remarkably well at going from confirmed cases increasing at a similar rate to Italy or the US to having fewer than 20 new cases per day for almost two weeks now. Some of that was that probably that our confirmed cases were closer to the actual number of cases in the country than for either Italy or the US, some was the natural advantage of being an island, and some was Aussies being very aware of what had happened in China and Italy leading people mostly pushing the PM to go harder on lockdowns rather than rioting on the street about the idea. And some may have been pure luck.
So I'd say a solid B+ so far. Some marks off for mixed messages, a massive cock-up in letting people wander off a cruise ship before tests came back on a number of staff and passengers (several were positive), and a large cluster at an aged care facility which hasn't been handled well... I do realize that much of the rest of the world would wish that they were the biggest problems...
BUT... this things got a long time to play out yet. A vaccine is at least several months away, people are trying to figure out how to ease restrictions and the virus is still out there. Oh, and winter is coming (that's a nice, ominous line... I wonder if anyone's used it before??) Obviously, this virus can be transmitted in hot weather, and no one really knows yet if it's more easily spread in winter, but it's definitely a possibility.
Somewhat to my surprise (I'm not a fan of our Prime Minister, or our state Premier), Australia has done remarkably well at going from confirmed cases increasing at a similar rate to Italy or the US to having fewer than 20 new cases per day for almost two weeks now. Some of that was that probably that our confirmed cases were closer to the actual number of cases in the country than for either Italy or the US, some was the natural advantage of being an island, and some was Aussies being very aware of what had happened in China and Italy leading people mostly pushing the PM to go harder on lockdowns rather than rioting on the street about the idea. And some may have been pure luck.
So I'd say a solid B+ so far. Some marks off for mixed messages, a massive cock-up in letting people wander off a cruise ship before tests came back on a number of staff and passengers (several were positive), and a large cluster at an aged care facility which hasn't been handled well... I do realize that much of the rest of the world would wish that they were the biggest problems...
BUT... this things got a long time to play out yet. A vaccine is at least several months away, people are trying to figure out how to ease restrictions and the virus is still out there. Oh, and winter is coming (that's a nice, ominous line... I wonder if anyone's used it before??) Obviously, this virus can be transmitted in hot weather, and no one really knows yet if it's more easily spread in winter, but it's definitely a possibility.
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It's a good question, but ultimately I'll have to say, "Still too early to call."
Somewhat to my surprise (I'm not a fan of our Prime Minister, or our state Premier), Australia has done remarkably well at going from confirmed cases increasing at a similar rate to Italy or the US to having fewer than 20 new cases per day for almost two weeks now. Some of that was that probably that our confirmed cases were closer to the actual number of cases in the country than for either Italy or the US, some was the natural advantage of being an island, and some was Aussies being very aware of what had happened in China and Italy leading people mostly pushing the PM to go harder on lockdowns rather than rioting on the street about the idea. And some may have been pure luck.
So I'd say a solid B+ so far. Some marks off for mixed messages, a massive cock-up in letting people wander off a cruise ship before tests came back on a number of staff and passengers (several were positive), and a large cluster at an aged care facility which hasn't been handled well... I do realize that much of the rest of the world would wish that they were the biggest problems...
BUT... this things got a long time to play out yet. A vaccine is at least several months away, people are trying to figure out how to ease restrictions and the virus is still out there. Oh, and winter is coming (that's a nice, ominous line... I wonder if anyone's used it before??) Obviously, this virus can be transmitted in hot weather, and no one really knows yet if it's more easily spread in winter, but it's definitely a possibility.
I rarely comment on this Phil, but as a health worker in NSW, my sense is that we are fortunate. There are two important things, good public policy that lowers the rate of infection and a heath system that is built up so it responds more effectively. And I think in both cases the Australian governments (extra points to the PM for getting a national cabinet to work) have been impressive by international standards, the death rate per million people is still incredibly low. I get that NZ has done a bit better but their lockdown was more intensive. And that cruise ship was a really bad, but in the broad scheme of things we have avoided stressing the health system and that is an absolute sucess.
But the big issue is how we get out of this without surging in cases and how we analyse issues which reasonable people can disagree with, like when should schools open. Like you I am not a great fan of the PM (though I actually like Gladys) but I give him a lot of credit for what has happened here.
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I'm very satisfied with NZ's response to this and the work Jacinda and her team of experts have done. We've had 1,137 confirmed cases, 1,276 recovered, and 20 deaths. All of the deaths have been elderly people as our biggest cluster was a rest home. Those deaths are people at the end of the day though, and if we didn't take such strict action when we did, our death toll would've been a lot higher and recovery rate a lot lower.
I am currently unsure of the Government's plan for any future potential pandemic but I'm sure with this being an election year it's bound to come up at some point.
Yeah, NZ has been viewed as the gold standard for Covid response.
It's amazing what a nation can accomplish when composed of reasonable people following a few simple rules.
Personally I feel as though the response in my area has been great. Everything was implemented gradually. I know things are worse in the East where population densities are higher and they most likely came into contact with a a more deadly strain of the virus.
As soon at this thing started to spread across Asia, stores here started rationing the items they knew would be in demand, but they also decreased the prices to make sure everyone could get them with minimal cost.
Trudeau pissed me off by using the crises sell billions worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, but he passed a pretty good package to support people affected by the pandemic. He even covered students, and factory workers. And today he announced another 850 million to go to world wide covid support. (because this is an international issue and viruses don't recognize national or state lines.)
His messages have been pretty good and non partisan. Essentially "Keep calm but stay vigilant." Canada right now has about 1/3 the death rate of the US.
I have noticed though that people of lower socioeconomic status are more likely to ignore precautions. That is worrisome since they are the ones most likely to be affected. And in places without universal healthcare that will make things much worse in upcoming months.
So we just passed another bill that gave millions in support to front line workers. It was achieved by the federal government and the various provincial governments who actually worked together... Wow, what a concept.
Not a hand out.... A wage top up.
Of course the people that have continued to work should be compensated. I have no problem with my taxes going to that.
Not a hand out.... A wage top up.
Of course the people that have continued to work should be compensated. I have no problem with my taxes going to that.
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Los Angeles County and the State of California? I strongly approve.
Maryland? Stongly approve.
New York? Doing what's right!
National government? Fuck the Trump whitehouse and anyone who supports them.
Maryland? Stongly approve.
New York? Doing what's right!
National government? Fuck the Trump whitehouse and anyone who supports them.
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The Dutch government calls our lockdown implementation an "intelligent lockdown", meaning less strict than in many other European countries but therefore with more personal and collective responsibility to make it work ("intelligent" refers to the citizens being able to handle such responsibility, not to the measures themselves).
Measures were late, too late, though if they had been set earlier then there would probably have been no support for them at all. But it was to be expected that people going to the Alps for winter sports as well as the celebration of Carnival in the southern parts of the Netherlands would likely become the point of entry and the means of rapid spread. And that's exactly what happened. So not satisfied with the response times (at many stages), but overall rather satisfied with the kind of measures taken.
One other thing I'm not satisfied with is the lack of transparency in the decision making process though. Lack of transparency is a thing that keeps coming back with the current government though, not just related to this crisis.
Measures were late, too late, though if they had been set earlier then there would probably have been no support for them at all. But it was to be expected that people going to the Alps for winter sports as well as the celebration of Carnival in the southern parts of the Netherlands would likely become the point of entry and the means of rapid spread. And that's exactly what happened. So not satisfied with the response times (at many stages), but overall rather satisfied with the kind of measures taken.
One other thing I'm not satisfied with is the lack of transparency in the decision making process though. Lack of transparency is a thing that keeps coming back with the current government though, not just related to this crisis.
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Australia may be upside down but our government has their approach the right way up.
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Trump should be in prison for criminal negligence. He has tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths on his hands.
Her Royal Spriteness
sadly, ours sucks.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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You mean the response where the government:
1) ignored the virus
2) downplayed the threat of the virus
3) took the virus seriously and asked for precautions like masks and social distancing
4) took the virus seriously while simultaneously telling people to RESIST precautions like masks and social distancing
5) ignored the virus again
6) looked like a deer trapped in headlights as the second wave hit
7) lost the November election in a resounding landslide that gave the Democrats the Presidency, the Senate, and the House, and left the Republican Party limping and broken and entirely out of touch with an increasingly young, non-white electorate.
I might be getting a little ahead of myself with #7.
1) ignored the virus
2) downplayed the threat of the virus
3) took the virus seriously and asked for precautions like masks and social distancing
4) took the virus seriously while simultaneously telling people to RESIST precautions like masks and social distancing
5) ignored the virus again
6) looked like a deer trapped in headlights as the second wave hit
7) lost the November election in a resounding landslide that gave the Democrats the Presidency, the Senate, and the House, and left the Republican Party limping and broken and entirely out of touch with an increasingly young, non-white electorate.
I might be getting a little ahead of myself with #7.
Aside from the mismanagement of the medical supply chain, why blame Trump? At least 30% of Americans are crazy and lack common sense. Trump didn't force them to sing in choirs, go to rallies, have family gatherings, hang out in large numbers in indoor bars. He didn't forbid them to wear masks. Americans just hate their neighbors. Masks save lives - who the Hell cares? Infect your grandma, or someone else's. They think the numbers are fake and it's all a Democratic, socialist, communist, Black Lives Matter, Jewish, Muslim, gay, Gates, plot. Wear a mask, wash your hands, keep your distance, avoid crowds, stay safe.
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Aside from the mismanagement of the medical supply chain, why blame Trump? At least 30% of Americans are crazy and lack common sense. Trump didn't force them to sing in choirs, go to rallies, have family gatherings, hang out in large numbers in indoor bars. He didn't forbid them to wear masks. Americans just hate their neighbors. Masks save lives - who the Hell cares? Infect your grandma, or someone else's. They think the numbers are fake and it's all a Democratic, socialist, communist, Black Lives Matter, Jewish, Muslim, gay, Gates, plot. Wear a mask, wash your hands, keep your distance, avoid crowds, stay safe.
We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
— President Trump, in an interview with CNBC, was asked about the first diagnosed U.S. case. He said he wasn’t worried about a pandemic.
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“We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
— Trump, in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus
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“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.”
— Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.
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“In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it’s actually less.”
— Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera
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“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. … One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over. … And this is their new hoax.”
— Trump, at a campaign rally in North Charleston, S.C.
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“Easter is a very special day for me. And I see it sort of in that timeline that I’m thinking about. And I say, wouldn’t it be great to have all of the churches full?”
— Trump, in a Fox News interview
ooo
“It’s going to be, really, a voluntary thing. You can do it. You don’t have to do it. I’m choosing not to do it, but some people may want to do it, and that’s OK. It may be good. Probably will. They’re making a recommendation. It’s only a recommendation.”
— Trump, in a task force briefing where he announced the face mask recommendation
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“I’m going to put it very simply: The president of the United States has the authority to do what the president has the authority to do, which is very powerful. The president of the United States calls the shots.”
— Trump, in a task force briefing, arguing falsely that the president — and not governors — has the power to decide when states would lift stay-at-home orders and other restrictions. A day later he’d say that he planned to leave the decision about how and when to open individual states to governors.
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“We think some of the states can actually open up before the deadline of May 1. And I think that that will be a very exciting time indeed.”
— Trump, in a task force briefing, teasing an announcement about new guidelines for states to begin to lift social distancing requirements. Trump said there were at least 20 states “in extremely good shape.”
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“LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”
— Trump tweets “liberate” about Michigan and two other states with Democratic governors, seemingly offering support to protesters crowding capitals who are opposed to states’ restrictions and closures.
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fyi, he still refuses to wear a mask. leaders are supposed to lead by example. also, you're aware he's putting on these giant rallies, right? inside? with no social distancing? and no mandatory masks?
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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I'm pissed everything was shutdown and fucked up over a lame flu type virus
In the world's harsh wear and tear many a very sincere attachment is slowly obliterated.
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I'm pissed everything was shutdown and fucked up over a lame flu type virus
obviously, you don't know anyone seriously effected by it. lucky you.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Lost in my own mystique
A Reuters report today said "Fauci warned that the daily increase of new cases in the United States, currently around 40,000, could reach 100,000 if people do not adhere to social distancing guidelines and wear masks."
I drive around my community outside of San Antonio, Texas and see signs of hate and defiance. The reality is that we need compassion and respect for each other.
How satisfied am I with my nation's Covid response? On a scale of 1 - 10 I'd rate it at -35.
I drive around my community outside of San Antonio, Texas and see signs of hate and defiance. The reality is that we need compassion and respect for each other.
How satisfied am I with my nation's Covid response? On a scale of 1 - 10 I'd rate it at -35.
Lost in my own mystique
And by the way I know a 28 year old man who struggled with Covid in March-April. Grow up, Millenials!
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And by the way I know a 28 year old man who struggled with Covid in March-April. Grow up, Millenials!
My wife lost her aunt to it. we lost a friend early on and a close friend of mine's wife is very ill with it right now. i am willing to be 'inconvenienced' if it means protecting the people around me from being ill or dying. from what i understand, too, even if you survive, it leaves lingering health issues like scar tissue in your lungs. i think i'd rather wear a mask for however long it takes.
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The Linebacker
All people should have the common decency to wear a mask in public. It's for protection for other people more than for yourself. Not caring about the well being of others is a major indication that one is very selfish.
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Quarantine is Quarantine is Quarantine ! ! !
Are some people that dense or can't they look in a dictionary to find the meaning of the word.
Are some people that dense or can't they look in a dictionary to find the meaning of the word.
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obviously, you don't know anyone seriously effected by it. lucky you.
Correct, I don't know anybody who has, and they don't know anybody who has either.
In the world's harsh wear and tear many a very sincere attachment is slowly obliterated.
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Correct, I don't know anybody who has, and they don't know anybody who has either.
I'm with sprite and a couple of the others as I, too, know some folks who have died of cornavirus19. Our town was ground zero for the state of South Carolina and it's a pretty small community. Governor McMasters held a press conference a little earlier and while he didn't mandate wearing masks, he left it to the local governments. Our states again has been running over a 1000 infections a day for the past week with 24 dead within the last twenty-four hours, the ICUs are about full. While he isn't mandating closings again, he did warn that business going against SC Dept. of Health and Environmental Control guidelines can be held for criminal neglect or civil neglect if someone gets sick and dies due to their not following the guidelines and the state will support these actions. At one time he was the State Attorney General.
This is nothing to ignore, it's something everyone needs to get serious about. As Larry the Cable Guy says, "Let's git'er done."
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The US government's response has been dreadful. It came late to the game and is still not doing what could be done.
But huge numbers of the population are also responsible for the virus's continued, and apparently accelerating, spread.
California just this week had to dial back its staged reopening because of newly climbing numbers of infections. People getting impatient have made this whole thing worse.
One thing that really ought to happen is PSAs on TV every day repeating how much more dangerous than flu this virus is and how wearing a facemask is a socially responsible, even patriotic, duty.
A daily reminder might help sway fools who refuse to wear a mask, currently. A message repeated over and over will stick eventually.
But huge numbers of the population are also responsible for the virus's continued, and apparently accelerating, spread.
California just this week had to dial back its staged reopening because of newly climbing numbers of infections. People getting impatient have made this whole thing worse.
One thing that really ought to happen is PSAs on TV every day repeating how much more dangerous than flu this virus is and how wearing a facemask is a socially responsible, even patriotic, duty.
A daily reminder might help sway fools who refuse to wear a mask, currently. A message repeated over and over will stick eventually.
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The US Government responded in a snail's pace.
California, well, Mayor Gracetti and Governor Newsom did what was best for us, Angelinos. Newsom have order to reopen gyms, bars and restaurants which was clearly stupid but of course, humans flocked to them. I can not feel bad for those whom have chosen to attend these places and have fallen ill to the point of expiring.
Please wear a mask that covers from your nose to the chin. If it doesn't fit your large face then buy another mask.
The US Government responded in a snail's pace.
California, well, Mayor Gracetti and Governor Newsom did what was best for us, Angelinos. Newsom have order to reopen gyms, bars and restaurants which was clearly stupid but of course, humans flocked to them. I can not feel bad for those whom have chosen to attend these places and have fallen ill to the point of expiring.
Please wear a mask that covers from your nose to the chin. If it doesn't fit your large face then buy another mask.