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Please will (or even "can") someone explain in what way the meaning is changed when someone writes "meet up", or even "meet up with" instead of simply "meet"? I find it hard to believe that the prepositions add anything to this verb.


That's an interesting one. It's just something that has developed in colloquial spoken language, I think. I have a few observations, but no explanations to offer:

Personally I think it tends to be applied more frequently to pre-arranged social activities, rather than the action of meeting a new person:

Let's meet up at the bowling alley.
I met up with this girl for lunch.
Etc.
vs
I met a girl at the movies.
I was looking forward to meeting him.

Also, I think meet up tends to be used more commonly with the WE/US/THEY pronouns. While meet on its own is more often used with singular pronouns:

We should meet up. Let's meet up.
They met up with...
vs
I'll meet you at..
Where do you want to meet?

I'm aware of the possibility I may be talking bollocks, lol.
I have no objection to anything "in colloquial spoken language" (even "well wicked") but I was specifically thinking of written work, and especially fiction.

Perhaps I too may "be talking bollocks", but somehow I think an author has a duty to write proper English, and to report direct speech as it really is. For example someone living near me affirming the performance of an activity and approval of the result may well say, "She do do that! Tidy!" yet the same person would not dream of writing the same words.
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Writers who put:

"Xxxxx," he thought to himself.

(or the female equivalent).

Other than in Sci-Fi, to whom else could (s)he be thinking?
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For example someone living near me affirming the performance of an activity and approval of the result may well say, "She do do that! Tidy!" yet the same person would not dream of writing the same words.



Of course, and this has probably been mentioned before...it would be perfectly acceptable to write that as part of dialogue...the rules of grammar are often tossed when they are between quotation marks, and rightly so...

When I first started writing back in 2009, I had read a couple of articles on erotic writing and one of them was about the appropriateness of dialogue...

While it may be perfectly acceptable for a young kid in a club to say something like, "That shit's the bomb"...you would not normally expect the CEO of a Fortune 500 company to talk like that at a board meeting, and your stories should reflect that...

And while that may seem perfectly obvious to you or I...don't assume anything to be obvious to all writers...I've seen more than my share of indiscretions in this area...

Just saying...

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Not really a phrase, but still something that irks me...

"that that"

Technically, it's correct in English (I suppose... I don't know of anything that says it's incorrect) but it always makes my mind stumble over the sentence (and mouth, if I read aloud). I usually have to backtrack and reread the sentence to make sure it's correct or that the person hasn't made a typo or some other grammar error.

It happens to me very occasionally and I always rewrite the sentence. I wish others would do the same.

It's a weird thing. We find ourselves writing it but logically we know a "that that" isn't necessary -- we can say the same thing using one "that" or none at all. I say axe it.


I remember encountering this in a babysitters' club book. I couldn't hold back the chuckle. It tickled me. I can honestly say I haven't noticed it since, even though it IS awkward.
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Not really a phrase, but still something that irks me...

"that that"

Technically, it's correct in English (I suppose... I don't know of anything that says it's incorrect) but it always makes my mind stumble over the sentence (and mouth, if I read aloud). I usually have to backtrack and reread the sentence to make sure it's correct or that the person hasn't made a typo or some other grammar error.

It happens to me very occasionally and I always rewrite the sentence. I wish others would do the same.

It's a weird thing. We find ourselves writing it but logically we know a "that that" isn't necessary -- we can say the same thing using one "that" or none at all. I say axe it.


I remember encountering this in a babysitters' club book. I couldn't hold back the chuckle. It tickled me. I can honestly say I haven't noticed it since, even though it IS awkward.


I'm guilty of "that that" (He thought that that sort of behaviour was inappropriate...") AND "had had" (Jenni had had Justin before, at a drunken pool party the previous year...) I don't do it consciously and it always irks me when I notice it afterward(s)!!!!!

Two HOWLERS that are quite common in Ireland, though exclusively in spoken English, are the the use of the word 'Pacific' for 'Specific'... (I pacifically told him that the report had to be in by today...) and 'Serious' for 'Series'... (The Walking Dead is the best zombie TV serious ever made....)

(Years ago, when I worked as a waiter in an Italian restaurant, I was flabbergasted when a middle-aged couple, who looked liked they didn't dine out often, asked for a bottle of the "Pea Knot Gree-Gee-Oh..." Returning with the bottle of wine I uncorked it with a flourish and announced, with a perfect Italian intonation, "Your Pinot Grigio, Sir..." And the guy looked at me like he wanted to cut my throat and his wife blushed.... And I Was Trying To Be Nice!!!!!!)

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YOU'RE as in YOU ARE and YOUR as in YOUR UMBRELLA.
So freakin annoying
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10 items or less.
That makes me cringe every time. It's '10 items or fewer' and no one seems to get it right.
You're supposed to use 'less' for uncountable mass nouns (water, air, flour, etc.) and 'fewer' for count nouns (cats, computers, shoes, items, and so on)


Yea, that one is annoying.
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YOU'RE as in YOU ARE and YOUR as in YOUR UMBRELLA.
So freakin annoying


I make typos all the time ... That's an eath one to make!
Ferþu hal!
One of my pet peeves is the improper use of the reflexive pronouns ... myself and yourself.
"How are you?"
"Fine ... and yourself?" Arrgghh ... Should be YOU!

John, Mary, and myself were at the meeting. .... Arrgghh ... John, Mary, and I ...

Another one that I just recently heard for the first time: "honing in" ... It's "homing in"! You can hone your skills but you home in a target.
Ferþu hal!
Lazy speech, "like," and "init" and "ya know what I mean"

If I do understand what 'ya' mean will 'ya' go home?
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... Oh, and: No dogs please.
Unfair generalisation, many dogs do please. ...
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I hate it when people (mostly news broadcasters) us the word "pleaded" instead of plead.

I have always thought the past tense of "plead" is "pled" but what do I know? I was not an English major in college, and I am an American. That means I have two strikes against me, when it comes to proper usage.

MY most recent pet peeve is overuse of "notice(d)".
In my mind, "notice" ia a noun:
"King John put up a notice:
Lost, Stolen or Strayed
James James Morrison's mother
Seems to have been mislaid" (thank you, A.A. Milne)

There are so many other verbs that can be used to describe seeing. Or, if "notice" is used as a verb, it should be to change emphasis. Rather than simply seeing, one notices (or not):

Although she was beautiful, and beckoning the officer with a "come hither" stare, he couldn't help observing that the tags on her Aston Martin were out of date.
"Did you see that?" he asked his partner. "Her tags are expired."
"No, I didn't notice." Replied his partner, as he continued to gaze at her erect nipples, their profile softened by the sheer blouse.
Clearly, his thoughts at that moment were not on the job.
She looked down. Noting the bulge in his uniform, she smiled.

It especially irks me when someone glances and notices. When I glance, I get a fleeting look at something. It is rarely sufficient to make note of it.
"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
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One that I've noticed on different occasions and that I don't remember seeing here is...

Mute point. Moot point is correct.



I hate "mute point", the same people always say "jest" instead of gist! Worse yet they spell it out that way never knowing the original word and of course spell-check isn't going to ever alert them.

one of the interesting ones is "parting shot" which I read came from the original "Parthian shot" after the famous Parthian horsemen who learned to shoot accurately over their shoulders on retreat.
I have issues with people who say "In one foul swoop" It is "In one fell swoop"...the metaphor being that of a raptor or other bird of prey diving on their quarry. the impression is meant to be of a quick, clean successful action, not a messy and underhand one, as "foul" implies.

It's also become commonplace here (Australia) for people so say "Supposably" rather than "Supposedly".

And you know you've got a right twat on the hook when they say "at the end of the day"

"At the end of the day" has no right version. It is like "Getting back into the zone" They are both phrases which have no place at all in sentient human communications.

I've also noticed that a lot of Americans, primarily from the Midwest I think, say "then" in place of "than". They will oftentimes even type "then" as in
"The Democratic party is better to poor people then the Republican Party is."

So they must really think that's the correct grammar to use. Here in Australia they have taken to taking the "t" out of 'Important" and replacing it with a "d". it is now more common to pronounce it incorrectly than correctly. because they keep hearing one another do it. I am such a language Nazi I know, but it sets my teeth on edge.

"It's really impordant that we compete on a global level" I actually heard one financial commentator say on the news a while back.

I would suggest it is very important for a highly paid television journalist to know how to speak properly, but apprently the Netwrok people don't agree with me.


Thank you for letting me vent that. They are things which have been bothering me a long time.
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Here's more on the subject of eggregious word choices. I need to rant about the use of "that" in reference to people. Unles one means "that person, as opposed to another", the proper usage is "who".

e.g. I am the person who called yesterday. NOT: I am the person that called yesterday.
"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
MRH posted: "Orientated" (They mean oriented)

An ogden nash-like bit of doggerel comes to mind:

Those who say, "orientated"
Have misstated
And should be berated.
"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
I just remembered my all time favourite Winston Churchill quote regarding proper English usage. In reference to the commonplace but technically incorrect practice of ending a sentence with a preposition he said:

"That is the kind of pedantic nitpicking, up with which I will not put."
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double negatives, "not going nowhere" or "im not doing nothing" Grrr that annoys me lol ;)
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I just remembered my all time favourite Winston Churchill quote regarding proper English usage. In reference to the commonplace but technically incorrect practice of ending a sentence with a preposition he said:

"That is the kind of pedantic nitpicking, up with which I will not put."



Bernard Shaw is supposed to have once either said or written, "A preposition is a fine thing to end a sentence with."
"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
Bump, particularly for people who "could care less", when in fact, they "couldn't care less".

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Yay for WMM!

I also find it curious that people say "regards" rather than "regard". (i.e.: "With regards to your application...")
The only time you say "Regards" is when you are giving them, i.e. "Give my regards to your mother." or "Best regards, Tim"

The same is true with "toward"...except, there is no need for the addition of the "s". 'Towards' is improper English, entirely.

I also find the word "irregardless" annoying. It's just a peculiar, confusing word, and has no proper use (in my 2-cent opinion) where regardless can be used.

And maybe someone has already posted this, but "Have your cake and eat it too". That makes no sense. If you have cake, of course you will eat it! But to eat it, and then still have it is another story.

It's actually, for modern accuracy, "Eat your cake and still have it", or "Eat your cake and have it too" (John Heywood: “Wolde ye bothe eate your cake, and haue your cake?”; 1500s) But when you say it, the other phrase is so common that people just assume you are stupid lol. How is that for irony?

There are so many others...but right now I am drawing a blank.
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At the top of my list is the use of third-person plural when third-person singular is correct. "When you bring your child to the sleepover, check to see that they brought their toothbrush." He or she and his or her is correct.
I have NEVER heard of a woman giving birth to an adult. Why, then, does the dialog proceed as follows?

"Congratulations! I heard that your wife gave birth. What did she have?"
"A baby girl."
I have NEVER heard of a woman giving birth to an adult. Why, then, does the dialog proceed as follows?

"Congratulations! I heard that your wife gave birth. What did she have?"
"A baby girl."
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I have NEVER heard of a woman giving birth to an adult. Why, then, does the dialog proceed as follows?

"Congratulations! I heard that your wife gave birth. What did she have?"
"A baby girl."


Perhaps they were expecting the woman to have a pterodactyl.
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Bernard Shaw is supposed to have once either said or written, "A preposition is a fine thing to end a sentence with."


I have to admit I'm rather challenged when it comes to stuff like this, but I got a hard time recently from an editor for ending a sentence with the word "it" in my story "Sexual Healing"...

Is "it" one of those proposition thingies?

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It drives me bonkers when people say things like, "It needs washed." No, it does not. "It needs washing."

"It needs turned off." No! "It needs turning off."

Damn them. At least when I use bad grammar and madey-uppy words, I usually do it on purpose, not because I'm simply incompetent (that's only one small element).
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"I could care less".....they mean "I COULDN'T care less."
How about "another words" when it should be "in other words". I barely notice it when somebody says that, but when I see it written, my brain hits a speed bump.
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