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My state has it available to almost everyone now. I got a shot and scheduled another.

It’s best to get a vaccine even if you are at low risk because the more people the virus rides around in for a longer time, the more mutations it makes.

So, delaying or not getting vaccines increases everyone’s risk of mutations, even if you don’t get sick with any noticeable symptoms. That’s another reason for rich places to donate vaccine around the world besides the lives it saves.
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I have already had the first jab - I was in the right place at the right time- as a result of the clotting with the AZ many oldies cancelled - there were vaccines surplus so if you wanted one you got it.
I had no after-effects of any kind - not even a sore arm where the nurse jabbed me.
Our information is you are more likely to have clots taking the Oral contraceptive than AZ. I have been taking the pill for more years than I want to remember and I have never had any problems.
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I've had both Pfizer shots. Side effects were very mild, less than many flu shots I've had.

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Both shots of the Moderna have been administered. Only side effect a very sore arm from the first one.

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Done, almost two weeks past administration of the Moderna product. And I'm not dead, my DNA hasn't changed, and whatever other nonsense is out there, is just that, nonsense.


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Completed both Pfizer shots two weeks ago. If you're not allergic please get vaccinated.
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Completed both Pfizer shots two weeks ago. If you're not allergic please get vaccinated.



Thank you for your post, Tom.

Okay. To address the whole "allergic" thing. There are a million conspiracy theories/anti-vaxxer crossover posts everywhere, many claiming that you need to wait until the vaccines are released from the EUA because oh no, people are dying of "allergic reaction" to the vaccine and somehow hospitals/nursing staff/doctors are covering these deaths because... reasons. As we're caught up in the beginning of the fourth wave.

One, yes, there are people out there who have had true allergic reactions, ranging from mild rash to anaphylaxis. The latter is why you now have to sit and be observed for up to an hour after receiving either of the two primary vaccines in current use. By contrast, although there was a post-vaccination observation period from the instant the EUAs were issued, it was short, ten to fifteen minutes at most and zero for some, like me, who just walked away. That was those of us who had the "privilege" of being both needed by an overwhelmed system and thus had finished out our vaccination by mid-January at the latest, meaning the data set was too small to suss out any potential for allergy.

Two, patients who do demonstrate allergy onset symptoms (hives, wheals, itchy skin all over, facial swelling and rash, anaphylactic response), they're not being given the correct information, or they're not relaying it correctly. Now that the two mRNA and one vector vaccine (now paused) have been given to millions of people, well, yes, there have been legit anaphylactic responses. However, the allergic response isn't to the actual active vaccine--sorry, going to ignore the Janssen product for a moment--it's to one of the ingredients that make up the adjuvant, the inactive part of the vaccine that keeps it stable and the actual lipid-coated modified RNA of the virus evenly distributed across 10-11 doses.

Both of the two available mRNA products use an ingredient in the same family as ethylene glycol as an inactive ingredient and stabilizer, and most patients who are allergic to these ingredients--2[(polyethylene glycol (PEG))-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide in the Pfizer product, and PEG2000-DMG: 1,2-dimyristoyl-rac-glycerol, methoxypolyethylene glycol in the Moderna product. The paused Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) product, a vaccine made in a more traditional manner, and which does not contain anything like what the mRNA products contain in their adjuvant, also didn't trigger the same sort of allergic reactions in people who had any kind of allergic reaction.

It is looking to be these glycol family ingredients that are the allergens, not anything related to the (S) modified RNA, and not easily replaced (if you've taken a metric ton of chemistry, you already have the models in your head and know that these may as well be sisters--fraternal twins). Problem is, while it's not a common allergy (other members of this family are found in everything from cosmetics to soap), it is an allergy--but most people who have the potential for throwing an anaphylactic reaction don't know that they have an allergy to the glycols in the adjuvant--until they find out by having the severe allergic reaction.

One solution would be to pre-treat known allergic patients, following a process similar to that required for anyone suspected of having a shellfish or iodine allergy and in need of a contrast CT. Another solution would be to find an entirely different class of chemicals that perform in the same manner as the glycol family ingredients--and that's not a thing right now. The latter takes time, and the former is sort of an impossible ask right now. In a non-pandemic world, everyone with a vaccination scheduled would be skin tested for this specific allergy, and those who were positive for an allergy to the glycol family would then be given the option of not being vaccinated and the option of following the iodine-allergy protocol and being vaccinated, observed, and safe.

I'm too tired to address the whole "they are hiding deaths" thing right now, other than to say that just a little bit of critical thinking would rule that sort of thing out entirely. The anti-vaxxers/QAnon sorts aren't known for their critical thinking skills--more for their lack of such.

On the upside, all clinic, pharmacy, and even some hospitals, which have entire teams of people and equipment available in an emergency (think airway emergency), are now required (I think--not 100% percent on the "required" part) to have multiple kits containing drugs and airway access equipment, as well as personnel trained to administer the medications and manage the airway in the interim period between "oh fuck call 911" and Medic One arriving.
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Yes definitely having the Covid-19 vaccine having first dose this coming Wednesday

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My wife and I have had both doses of Moderna with no problems. We scheduled ours via CVS Pharmacy, they were very organized, no fuss no problems.
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I want to say THANK YOU Jennifer for your expert advice and patience in explaining some of the technical aspects of the vaccine to all of us non-knowledgeable people. Your help is greatly appreciated. We're very fortunate to have you here.

This kitty has now had his second Pfizer/BioNTech type vaccine with almost no side effects at all. It's true after the first time, for a couple of days I did experience a slight soreness, but only at the exact injection point. The only time I'd even feel that was if I tapped that spot with my other hand. After the second one, there was hardly any soreness at all, not even as much as the first time. If you're wondering just how bad the soreness was, all I can say is that I've hurt much more after bumping myself against something.

For those of you that have a 'fear of needles', trust me, the needles that are being used are so tiny you can hardly feel them. It's not like the old days when they were larger. In case you're curious, I sat and watched the nurse give me both injections and still hardly felt it. If I'd been looking away and/or talking (momentarily distracted) I'm not sure if I'd even have felt it.

So people, go and get your shot as soon as you can. It's for your good and also all your family and friends too. With your help, we'll soon have this virus licked and then we can all get back to doing the things we've been missing for the past year.
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I’ve had both jabs.

Fir me, it wasn’t something I had to think about. I want to start loving again and the vaccine will help me achieve that.
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I've had Covid 19, plus I've now had both doses of the Pfizer vaccination.
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I've been somewhat skeptical of both the virus itself and the vaccine. What I mean is, I've known a few different people that got infected, but have recovered. Obviously, I'm not them and can't really put myself in their heads, but it seems like it's not a big deal. On the other hand, I saw story after story last year stating that it is a big deal and people die. Unless you're a robot, you can't just disregard all that. So, at first, I wore my mask all the time, but stopped after a while. It took until late June for a case to show up in my RV plant. Then I wore it all the time again.

I haven't met anyone else get it in months now, but now the vaccines are out there. I wasn't in a hurry to get the vaccine, but I got it. My main motivation was going to my concerts again. I'll be packed in with people, so I got it, despite me being skeptical about vaccines being created in such a short time. You know the go-to example, AIDs. There still isn't a vaccine for it. So, it seemed too good to be true. Yet, I heard from experts on TV that there's no need to worry. So, I just said 'Fuck it.' and did it.

The worst sick I've been since elementary school is the flu. Even that has never lasted long. So, I've thought the risk outweighed the reward, but then again, I missed a lot of good shows last year and hope to catch up a bit this year, so I made my choice. On the other hand, the one show I was looking forward to the most just got postponed today.

So make of my words what you will.
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I've been somewhat skeptical of both the virus itself and the vaccine. What I mean is, I've known a few different people that got infected, but have recovered. Obviously, I'm not them and can't really put myself in their heads, but it seems like it's not a big deal. On the other hand, I saw story after story last year stating that it is a big deal and people die. Unless you're a robot, you can't just disregard all that. So, at first, I wore my mask all the time, but stopped after a while. It took until late June for a case to show up in my RV plant. Then I wore it all the time again.

I haven't met anyone else get it in months now, but now the vaccines are out there. I wasn't in a hurry to get the vaccine, but I got it. My main motivation was going to my concerts again. I'll be packed in with people, so I got it, despite me being skeptical about vaccines being created in such a short time. You know the go-to example, AIDs. There still isn't a vaccine for it. So, it seemed too good to be true. Yet, I heard from experts on TV that there's no need to worry. So, I just said 'Fuck it.' and did it.

The worst sick I've been since elementary school is the flu. Even that has never lasted long. So, I've thought the risk outweighed the reward, but then again, I missed a lot of good shows last year and hope to catch up a bit this year, so I made my choice. On the other hand, the one show I was looking forward to the most just got postponed today.

So make of my words what you will.


I really struggle with the notion of people being skeptical of the virus snd the vaccine. How many people have to die to stop people being skeptical? Or is it because those that you know of have recovered from covid?

I’m thinking out loud really, not directing an attack on you - I just cannot get my head around the idea that it’s exaggerated or, (and I know you haven’t said this), a conspiracy. In the U.K., the concerns about the vaccine safety were addressed by publication of the process it had gone through in testing/peer review. The process was as rigorous as any other vaccine, but the time between stages that normally occurs due to flow of work was condensed as it was a global emergency.

Though the U.K. is opening up now, I will continue to wear a mask in public spaces - mainly to protect others, as though I’m fully vaccinated, I could be a carrier. I cannot wait to attend concerts again, but I’m fully behind covid passports for these events, to prove vaccine status and/or a negative test.
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after waiting a while to talk to our Dr. and deciding with her help, we are both in the high risk group. Dr. also suggested we wait until the maderna vaccine was available to us due to our specific health needs. when the maderna became available to us we went to get it. first round done. waiting for the time to get the 2nd. i hated the idea of getting it, believing that a vaccine so soon after the outbreak is still experimental (thats a whole other discussion). but with a lot of life left to live, (we just got our 2nd great grand child). it just wasn't worth risking our health
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I'm coming up on two weeks post-first shot. Second, due to Canada's policies, won't be until August though they are starting to bump up some groups. Based on what I've read, I'll probably start getting out more in another week or two, once I'm at 3-4 weeks post-first. However, at the rate things are moving around here, we won't be opening up until Fall even if we do ease off once the current wave dies down.
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Thank you for your post, Tom.

Okay. To address the whole "allergic" thing. There are a million conspiracy theories/anti-vaxxer crossover posts everywhere, many claiming that you need to wait until the vaccines are released from the EUA because oh no, people are dying of "allergic reaction" to the vaccine and somehow hospitals/nursing staff/doctors are covering these deaths because... reasons. As we're caught up in the beginning of the fourth wave.

One, yes, there are people out there who have had true allergic reactions, ranging from mild rash to anaphylaxis. The latter is why you now have to sit and be observed for up to an hour after receiving either of the two primary vaccines in current use. By contrast, although there was a post-vaccination observation period from the instant the EUAs were issued, it was short, ten to fifteen minutes at most and zero for some, like me, who just walked away. That was those of us who had the "privilege" of being both needed by an overwhelmed system and thus had finished out our vaccination by mid-January at the latest, meaning the data set was too small to suss out any potential for allergy.

Two, patients who do demonstrate allergy onset symptoms (hives, wheals, itchy skin all over, facial swelling and rash, anaphylactic response), they're not being given the correct information, or they're not relaying it correctly. Now that the two mRNA and one vector vaccine (now paused) have been given to millions of people, well, yes, there have been legit anaphylactic responses. However, the allergic response isn't to the actual active vaccine--sorry, going to ignore the Janssen product for a moment--it's to one of the ingredients that make up the adjuvant, the inactive part of the vaccine that keeps it stable and the actual lipid-coated modified RNA of the virus evenly distributed across 10-11 doses.

Both of the two available mRNA products use an ingredient in the same family as ethylene glycol as an inactive ingredient and stabilizer, and most patients who are allergic to these ingredients--2[(polyethylene glycol (PEG))-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide in the Pfizer product, and PEG2000-DMG: 1,2-dimyristoyl-rac-glycerol, methoxypolyethylene glycol in the Moderna product. The paused Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) product, a vaccine made in a more traditional manner, and which does not contain anything like what the mRNA products contain in their adjuvant, also didn't trigger the same sort of allergic reactions in people who had any kind of allergic reaction.

It is looking to be these glycol family ingredients that are the allergens, not anything related to the (S) modified RNA, and not easily replaced (if you've taken a metric ton of chemistry, you already have the models in your head and know that these may as well be sisters--fraternal twins). Problem is, while it's not a common allergy (other members of this family are found in everything from cosmetics to soap), it is an allergy--but most people who have the potential for throwing an anaphylactic reaction don't know that they have an allergy to the glycols in the adjuvant--until they find out by having the severe allergic reaction.

One solution would be to pre-treat known allergic patients, following a process similar to that required for anyone suspected of having a shellfish or iodine allergy and in need of a contrast CT. Another solution would be to find an entirely different class of chemicals that perform in the same manner as the glycol family ingredients--and that's not a thing right now. The latter takes time, and the former is sort of an impossible ask right now. In a non-pandemic world, everyone with a vaccination scheduled would be skin tested for this specific allergy, and those who were positive for an allergy to the glycol family would then be given the option of not being vaccinated and the option of following the iodine-allergy protocol and being vaccinated, observed, and safe.

I'm too tired to address the whole "they are hiding deaths" thing right now, other than to say that just a little bit of critical thinking would rule that sort of thing out entirely. The anti-vaxxers/QAnon sorts aren't known for their critical thinking skills--more for their lack of such.

On the upside, all clinic, pharmacy, and even some hospitals, which have entire teams of people and equipment available in an emergency (think airway emergency), are now required (I think--not 100% percent on the "required" part) to have multiple kits containing drugs and airway access equipment, as well as personnel trained to administer the medications and manage the airway in the interim period between "oh fuck call 911" and Medic One arriving.


I'll find out this Thursday as I'll be getting one of the two mRNA vaccines, which I'm glad for. I don't expect any allergic reaction, but we'll see. AFAIK the waiting period after the shot is still just 15 minutes around here. Is the hour waiting time you mentioned for everyone, or maybe just for people who are known to be allergic to many different things, or who may have certain known extreme allergic reactions?


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Had my first jab of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine yesterday, got a slight sore arm. But haven’t experienced any other side effects

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My husband got his shots back in January - February as a first responder. I got mine in late April with the second dose last week. No real problems, although the second dose for me made my arm sore which the first shot didn't.
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Had 2nd shot of Pfizer yesterday and about 6 hrs later felt like I had been hit by a truck, but feeling better now. I had flu-like symptoms for about a day after 1st dose.
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I've had both shots of Moderna for awhile now. The first shot, just a sore arm. The second, sore arm and flu-like symptoms for a little less than a day. Yesterday I read that those with leukemia as well as post transplant recipients have around 50% less chance of getting antibodies from the vaccine. Though CDC came out with maskless advice for those vaccinated, I'll probably still do it in grocery stores and such for those people.

KS, it's virus roulette. I haven't personally known people who've died, but I've known people who almost did and I know people still suffering with the after effects--even people who never even had symptoms when they tested positive for the virus. I know I'm just a bunch of words on the internet, but whatever. Thank you for getting vaccinated.

EDIT: the waiting period here is still 15 minutes as far as I'm aware.
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Well what a crap year!

I was skeptical of the vaccine, not for any conspiracy theory, but due to the limited time for modelling and testing. I used to work for GSK and one of the largest part of the cost of medicines came from the amount of testing which could last up to 5 years. Granted things have moved on in the past 20 years, but from discovery of a new disease to production of a new vaccine in less than 12 months limits how much it can be tested.

I have one underlying illness that requires daily medication and I have had simple paracetamol disrupt it and that puts me back by 12 months because of everything involved. With the low level of interaction with people I have I felt it was better to wait, as I was sure no one would have added my combination of drugs into the mix during testing. I was due to talk with my consultant in March anyway, so it could wait until then.
All that changed at the beginning of the year when I got hit with another illness and suddenly put me potentially in a high risk group.
So after talks with both consultants and my GP raising my concerns about both my conditions, I went ahead with it.

I had my 1st injection (Oxford AstraZeneca) in mid-March and it left a lump in my bicep for about a month or so. A couple of days after I felt like I had been hit by a lorry and felt totally listless for about 3 days.
I have my 2nd injection booked for Tuesday next week.

My wife had her 1st at the same time as me and had no reaction. My daughter had the Pfizer vaccine and again, no side effects.
Mum (in her 80s) has had both and my sisters one each and none of them have had any issues.
Maybe I'm just a wimp...

I would just like to add, if I didn't have the other conditions, I would probably had the vaccines without worrying about them at all.

Edit - 1st June

It's been a week since my 2nd dose.
24 hours after I started to slow down and for the afternoon I felt like I was heading the same way as before. The following morning it had pretty much passed and other than that and a bit of bruised arm, I have been okay.
My wife had hers last Saturday and had a bit of bruising on her arm, but that is all.

My sisters have both had both doses and have had no issues from either. Maybe I'm just a wimp

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Noll, sorry for the delay in response. I believe the wait is at least 15 minutes at all vaccination locations, no matter the vaccine, and I know that some providers require up to 45 minutes of observed wait time. I didn't see in my post where I mentioned an hour long observed wait, but that's neither here nor there. The observed wait time varies.

It's kind of like Gardasil 9, the HPV vaccine (and, incidentally, the only vaccine ever to hit 100% coverage, meaning it "takes" in everyone). For whatever reason, it can cause dizziness, lightheadedness and syncope. Patients are vaccinated, given apple juice and observed for at least 15 minutes). Anecdotally, in the case of vaccinations of my two older sons--no problems. Hopped off the exam table and strolled out every time. The youngest, though, did have syncope (fainting) with a controlled fall. I believe it was his third dose--like his brothers, he'd tolerated the first two doses fine.

With both their first and second doses of the Pfizer vaccine, they were given Quaker Soft and Chewy granola bars, sliced apple (prepacked) and apple juice. Both were fine, and they pocketed everything but the apple juice.

The message is this: If you have an egg allergy or a history with issues with vaccines, discuss this with your provider--I don't know that the "traditional" vector vaccines, the Janssen product and the Oxford/AstraZeneca product, are produced using chicken eggs, but I'd guess that they are produced in that manner. Otherwise, if you have the option, go for the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA products. And yes, the second dose of Moderna will kick your ass.

This isn't a reaction--it's that the Moderna product is essentially the actual virus, with a lipid coating. Pfizer removed/modified substantial chunks of the RNA of the virus; Moderna, to my understanding, removed/modifed only a very small amount of the virus. So when you receive the second dose, your body, having produced B- and T-cells (as opposed to antibodies, with the vector vaccines) that are specific to the SARS2-nCoV-19 virus, sees the second Moderna dose as the real virus and your immune system goes into full elephant-on-meth on the "virus." Which is a good thing.

However, in some individuals (including myself and perhaps 10 other nurses I work with), because the immune system thinks it is fighting off the real thing, causes your body to slow or stop production of anything "normal" , like red and white blood cells and instead starts producing "killer" T-cells as fast as possible. "Killer" T-cells are specific to the virus, and they are produced in the long bones, same as "normal" blood cells. In my case, since "killer" T-cells are produced over about seven days, almost to the hour, and in those long bones and ribs, not only did my upper arms (humeri), ribs and femurs hurt, literally bursting with "killer" T-cells, but I had very bizarre delayed fatigue. As in, I fell asleep the Friday morning a week after receiving the second vaccine--and didn't wake up for something like 26 hours.

This same thing happened, again in least 10 of my colleagues, and the bizarre sameness for all of us was that when we woke up, our bedding was totally undisturbed, as if we hadn't moved at all while asleep. The immune system essentially decides that nope, don't need higher cognition, we need to kill this fucker, and thus the sleep and the ensuing 24-48 hours of feeling like I was walking in Jello.

Again, this is a good thing, but yah, be prepared.
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I've had Covid 19, plus I've now had both doses of the Pfizer vaccination.


Same here.

And I know people who refuse to get the vaccine. Utterly stupid!
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Took my shots back in early Feb.

I did it on a walk in basis and was done in less than an hour.

Get it !!! Don't be stupid.

Carolyn.


You tell them, Carolyn. The right of a person not to get vaccinated ends when they become a danger to the rest of society, and therefore adversely impacting the right of everyone else. NO ONE has a right to make another person ill or kill them. Not getting vaccinated does exactly that! This virus isn't going away - it's here and it's here to stay, probably forever. Borrowing a phrase from the Republican governor of Maryland "Just get the damned shots!" (I know, he was talking about masks at the time, but the imperative is the same for vaccinations.)
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You tell them, Carolyn. The right of a person not to get vaccinated ends when they become a danger to the rest of society, and therefore adversely impacting the right of everyone else. NO ONE has a right to make another person ill or kill them. Not getting vaccinated does exactly that! This virus isn't going away - it's here and it's here to stay, probably forever. Borrowing a phrase from the Republican governor of Maryland "Just get the damned shots!" (I know, he was talking about masks at the time, but the imperative is the same for vaccinations.)



So True, Now the very people who don't want the shots want me to mask up again while blaming conservatives for being the problem. Not going to happen …

I'm not wearing a mask to protect their stupidity, Be they Conservative or Liberal… Stupid is stupid..
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Milik snd I have had both our shots and still wear mask for our own protection. If people would stop being so stubborn and get the vaccine we might be able to kick this thing. But until they do, we will all be in danger. I’m speaking to my own children as well, they are refusing the vaccine, saying they don’t need it. Well good for them, guess they don’t need to see their mother either. I have to many underlying conditions to put myself at risk…
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