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Quote by BethanyFrasier
I find it curious that my most recent stories have all received RR's and an EP, but my earlier stuff, which I consider every bit as good (or better!) was completely ignored for critical acclaim. Does it mean that I'm pandering now when I write, and before I was just writing to please myself? Scary thought, artistically speaking. Or... is "art" truly just whatever panders to popular taste?


Quote by Melissa999
I am well aware that from my own point of view, reading a lot of text on a computer screen is undesirable, it's tiring on the eyes and most online readers have a short attention span, and will tire before reading and comprehending the plot lines.


Speaking from a general point of view, I'm thinking that different "art" forms are very different. In music artists tend to be at their best early on, when youthful enthusiasm triumphs over technical deficiencies. Writing is not like that, and it's entirely possible that some writers are considered to improve as they hone their technique and becoming better at crafting plots and so forth. I'm not entirely convinced that this is an accurate assessment. If you look at how critics evaluate authors (indeed musicians), if someone's reputation precedes them it goes an awful long way to granting their work more favourable reviews than it sometimes merits, and something of that might be applicable to Lush, that a reputation (or a critical mass) needs to built before RR's are awarded on a regular basis.

It's also possible to subconsciously adopt a style when writing that one knows works - i.e. is favourably received by others. Even if one does write to please oneself, if that was all one wanted, why publish at all? Publication is after all to offer a story to others' scrutiny and judgement, and it's only natural to take pleasure in appreciative feedback. We live in a world where "art" is often viewed in opposition to "popular" - at least by critics - but it's a problematic dichotomy because it brings up this exact question: For whom is one writing? Yes, obviously one writes because it gives oneself pleasure, but there is always an audience too.

It's not an easy issue to sort out, and I don't want to write an essay, so I'll stop here, except to say that the point about reading from a screen is very well made, and I'm as guilty as hell of not taking this into consideration.
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Quote by oceanrunner1974
I think the category of the story also matters. I think that if your work that you're proud of is in a category that doesn't get as much attention (e.g., trans), it may also suffer in terms of views, votes, and comments.


Quote by KnightOfLove
In the end what really matters is how we feel about the story, the rest is just personal vanity.


Yes, category definitely matters. And long serials tend to be subject to diminishing returns. I wrote a sci-fi/fantasy series that went on for eight parts, and though the fantasy element was very muted, it still didn't attract as many reads as I might have liked. But I enjoyed writing it and may actually return to it in some form, just for the pleasure it gave me.

That, I suppose, ties in to personal vanity. There are really two kinds of satisfaction, it seems to me; the satisfaction of writing a story you like, and the satisfaction of knowing you've reached people. Ideally the two would be one and the same, but the fact that they aren't is, I suppose, why I'm so interested in this issue. It's nice to know I'm not alone, though.


Quote by Metilda
I see it in me as loving the runt of the litter. I know it won't be popular from the go, I know it won't take off - and the reasons why it's not market-wise popular are the reasons I love it so much.


As someone who has always had slightly odd tastes, not really able to embrace the stuff critics like, nor the really popular, I can relate to this. Some stuff you just know is only going to have limited appeal, but it might just be even more important to publish it for precisely that reason.


As regards the "randomness" of RR's. I don't mind that so much. All taste is in the end inherently subjective. I've studied literature, so I know exactly what is "supposed" to mark out "good" literature from "bad", but when you've read enough conflicting opinions of books, it's difficult to resist the suspicion that most critics are merely dressing up their prejudices in the accepted jargon of their discipline. At least with the award of RR's you know that things like mood and personal preference play a part, which is in its way more honest.
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I've noticed in all kinds of cultural activity that artists/writers/musicians etc, are often most proud of works that are not generally considered their greatest.

Now I've discovered this happening to me; stories that I felt most proud of on publication can pass relatively unnoticed, while ones that I wrote on a whim for fun might be awarded a Recommended Read or prove more popular than I would have thought.

Do other authors have similar experiences? What stories are you most proud of, and did the response match your pride? Or have you published stories here where you're totally mystified by the esteem in which they're held?
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"Should" suggests that it's either right or wrong to do so. If both parties are happy to watch it together - why not? It beats watching the stuff alone.

As for the point about it being plastic - not all the stuff out there is like that. I'd agree that the obviously glossy stuff isn't much fun, but the great thing is that there's something out there for everyone.
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Quote by nicola
If we went with a theme suggested by a particular author, who'd had perhaps several months or longer, to think up a plot for their story, wouldn't that introduce a semblance of a bias in their favour?

Hence I rule with an iron fist when it comes to competitions!


It's a good point, but I'm not entirely convinced that it would. Plots are one thing, execution's another. And even if someone has spent months honing a story in advance, it's just as easy to overcook something as to undercook it. The time normally allowed from the announcement of a competition to the end date is quite sufficient to come up with something and work it into an appealing shape. At the risk of sounding arrogant, it took me about 10 minutes from seeing the idea "weddings" above to knowing what I'd want to write. Whether I'd place or not in such a competition is an entirely different matter.

Right, best keep a look out for that iron fist.
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Quote by clum
Weddings.


Quote by stephanie


Pervert.

xx SF

(WHO writes PORN about WEDDINGS??? That isn't even A THING!!!)



As a self-confessed pervert, I could DEFINITELY write PORN about WEDDINGS smile

More seriously, it could be opened up to include bachelorette/bachelor parties, or basically any activity surrounding the wedding.

I'm sure a honeymoon competition would have a lot of takers - or has that already been done?
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We worry too much about what's "socially acceptable", particularly these days. You can get bogged down writing practically anything by worrying about if your characters perpetuate stereotypes and a whole bunch of other stuff. Basically, people are individuals with their own motivations, desires &c, and thus characters in fiction need to be so as well. To suggest that you can only write from "within" your own particular sex/ethnicity/sexuality is basically to deny the commonalities of existence, and the possibility of empathy. Moreover, to put yourself in somebody else's shoes is a vital component of social intercourse - so to suggest that it shouldn't be done is just plain stupid.

As regards the 1st person thing. Even 3rd person writing requires an ability to get inside a character, and from there it's a short step to the 1st person narrative.
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Just amazed that there isn't a thread for discussion of potential competition topics. Ideas you might have for future competitions, and discussion of said ideas.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sitting on ideas, but for what it's worth, I'd be interested in a competition on the subject of Reacquaintance. Basically any story where the main protagonists haven't seen each other for ten or more years.

Any other ideas out there?
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Oh, it's hugely enjoyable! Just experiencing the effect my tongue has on a sexual partner is hugely arousing.
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I really, really enjoy watching a woman pleasure herself. But there's no way I can keep my hands idle.
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A long time ago, when a relationship was just getting started, I hid my stash of porn in the closet before my girlfriend came round. To my amazement she just took it for granted that guys had porn videos and magazines lying around and practically demanded I get some stuff out. Maybe I was a bit naïve - I was younger then. Anyway, I've watched all sorts of stuff with women, but never for long...
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Happy birthday, Verbal!

"Literature is the art of discovering something extraordinary about ordinary people, and saying with ordinary words something extraordinary." - Boris Pasternak
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I understand that the suggestion is hypothetical, but this, for what it's worth, is my take on it.

The implication in the proposal is that quality equals popularity, which would probably be disputed by all but the most extreme postmodernists among professors of literature.

My own tastes often run to the unpopular or overlooked, and so on a personal level I would be disappointed to see stories disappear for not gathering the requisite number of reads/scores/comments - hell, whole genres would probably disappear. Nor am I a snob in this. Some extremely well written stuff bores me, and some stuff which is obviously not great has some spirit about it that attracts me anyway.

Were such a suggestion to be followed through, it's easy to imagine Lush becoming like Top 40 radio, which is fine if you like the hits, but not so great if you want to be surprised from time to time. Also, there's a real risk that authors would start tailoring their work to quickly acquire reads/scores/comments, which would lead to a significant (and in my view wholly regrettable) mainstreaming of the whole enterprise. One of the great things about Lush is the variety, and I'd hate to see that lost.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with sexual variation. One person's gross is another's yum, basically. As long as we're talking consenting adults, everything's fine.

Bukkake is just one practice among many that will divide opinion. If you're going to leave stuff out of a story because you're worried about alienating readers, basically you're going to end up with something strictly vanilla (which in turn will alienate those people who think vanilla is basically paint drying). Just go with what the story needs. If it's integral to the plot, everything else will collapse if the scene isn't there.
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I'm firmly convinced that we are entering a new financial paradigm because of all this new technology, while financial institutions, governments and economic elites try to convince us all that it will all be business as usual and happy ever after.

Very little that is free at the point of use is actually free. There's a truism in media studies that if you're not paying for something, you are the product - which is to say that if you watch commercial TV, you as a viewer are the product (as viewer) that advertisers are paying the TV company to hand them. The same is more graphically true with something like Facebook (which is why I don't do it).

Until some kind of new and hopefully better (more equitable/benign) economic paradigm asserts itself, using the Internet is a bit of a Faustian pact. You basically have to work out whether what you want is worth various forms of tracking. Look carefully at what kinds of ads crop up on , and you'll see that they're often related to pages/areas of interest you've visited in the past. Tracking people isn't difficult, if someone really wants to, for whatever reason.

It's really up to the individual to work out the risks/benefits of what they do on the net. Given the choice/means, I'd rather pay for something than feel that "I" was being sold on to third parties. We all know that websites cost money to run and maintain. For that reason I don't have a problem with the idea of a membership fee, per se.

The only thing is that I don't (and you can call me paranoid if you like) conduct financial transactions of any kind over the internet, though I'll probably feel compelled to at some point in the future. I am, though, very grateful for the Bronze Membership and will endeavour to contribute in the same way as hitherto by publishing stories that (hopefully) people want to read.