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MorganHawke
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Female, 61
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Quote by LadySharon
Erotica writers have a lot of self-respect. We're sex therapists in a way...

We most definitely are! I can't tell you how many letters I've gotten from wives who tried a few of the techniques mentioned in my stories with their husbands and were ecstatic about the results.

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I stopped paying attention to what anyone said and thought about my chosen profession and decided to live life to the fullest. Even if I fall down and break a leg, I get back up and do it again with more gusto.

You go girl!

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Thanks a lot for your tips, Morgan!

You're very welcome, Lady Sharon.
Books I personally recommend!

Good for PLOT

The Writer's Journey
Mythic Structure for Writers

by Christopher Vogler




Writing Erotica
by Edo Van Belkom





How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy

by Orson Scott Card




20 Master Plots:
And How to Build Them

by Ronald B. Tobias




Story Structure Architect
by Victoria Lynn Schmidt




Good for CHARACTER


The Gift of Fear

by GAVIN DE BECKER
Personal Note: An absolute MUST READ for VILLAIN Creation!


Read Chapter One


Characters and Viewpoint
by Orson Scott Card




Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus:
A Practical Guide for Improving Communication and Getting What You Want in Your Relationships

by John Gray




The Writer's Guide to Character Traits:
Includes Profiles of Human Behaviors and Personality Types

by Linda N. Edelstein




Vampire:
The Complete Guide to the World of the Undead

by Manuela Dunn-Mascetti




The Action Heroine's Handbook
by Jennifer Worick, Joe Borgenicht, and Larry Jost




Good for GRAMMAR


Scene and Structure

by Jack M. Bickham




The Deluxe Transitive Vampire
A Handbook of Grammar for the Innocent, the Eager and the Doomed

by Karen Elizabeth Gordon




Eats, Shoots & Leaves
The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation

by Lynne Truss




Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus
by Barbara Ann Kipfer



There you have it, my recommended reads for writing fiction.
----- Original Message -----
“How do you deal with someone saying that erotica writers have no self-respect?”
-- Fellow Erotica Author
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Okay kids... Rolling up sleeves... It goes like this. You get in their face and say:
"Yeah, I write SMUT and I'm crying all the way to the BANK, you B*TCH!"

Repeat as many times as necessary.

Why do people say this crap to us?
There’s a couple’a reasons…

1) It’s all about THEM.
Ordinary people rarely think outside their own heads. They measure everyone else against their own perceptions.

“Well I hated that movie, so no one else will like it either."
"Don’t drink that! That brand of soda sucks, you won’t like it.”

It’s called Tunnel Vision or Narrow-mindedness. If they can’t do it, or they don’t like it, you shouldn’t be able to do it, or like it either.

"Well if that was me I would never...!"

Yeah well, you AREN'T THEM which is why you Do, and you Have, and you are getting CASH (or at least a lot of attention) for it while they are not.

Unlike the average human, the writer is a unique creature. We can get out of our own heads long enough to view a perspective Other than Our Own. In fact, in order to write successfully, we are forced to view MANY different perspectives, frequently opposing and usually simultaneously. Consider how many characters are in the average novel with ONE author to think for them all.

As a writer, USE that unique talent to step out of your feelings of rejection and get into Their head. As a writer, you have the ability to look at the character traits they are displaying and interpret pretty darn accurately what’s really going on in their twisted little reality tunnels.

2) Petty jealousy.
Ever spend time with someone who just bought a new car? Without fail, someone just has to come along and tell them what's Wrong with that make or model. This person will list fault after fault until the new owner is deflated enough to salve the bruised ego of the person who Didn’t have a new car.

The technical term is: SPOILSPORT.

Believe me, these nasty buggers are everywhere -- especially if you're Good.

3) “That's not real writing. Anyone can write a smut story…”
Oh yeah? Let’s see them TRY it! The results ought to be hysterical, and really, really bad.

Writing Fiction is freaking hard work. It takes anywhere from weeks, to months, to years of hunching over a keyboard word-crunching, plus research, plus plot-crafting, and character development, and dialogue, and sentence-structure, and manuscript formatting, and fighting with the computer…etc.

"I can write, I have a college degree to prove it."

They do? Oh, that's too bad -- for them.

College degrees won’t help anyone write good Fiction of any kind, never mind smut. (Unless of course, their degree is in something useful, like history or mythology.) Fiction writing is a CRAFT that takes unique skills that you just can’t get in the classroom.

Formal Education teaches you to stuff as many words into a paragraph as possible. Preferably using the biggest words available, (with extra points for obscurity.)

Fiction Writing is the total reverse. You want the most amount of information using the least amount of words. Think ‘Advertising Copy’ and you have a clue. And that’s just the Grammar.

Imagination is the real sticking point.

Even if you have perfect grammar skills, you STILL have to have an imagination beyond: “Hey I had one hell of a night with this kinky so-and-so I picked up!” Boooooooooring!

Writing good Erotic Fiction takes skills the average Literary author would cringe at. Let’s see one of THEM write a sex scene that holds the reader’s attention long enough to Really Satisfy and without repeating the word penis or vagina 5 million times, (personally, I’ve never used either word,) AND give it a Happy Ending.

So yeah, let’s just see them Try to copy your accomplishment. You’ll laugh for weeks!

4) Ordinary embarrassment.
Most people are raised to believe that Sex is bad, so anyone who actually Likes sex is a deviant.

Yeah, and us deviant's are Popular with the opposite sex too!

In Conclusion...
So what do we, as Purveyors of Fine Smut, do about this kind of “No self-respect” crap?

We DON’T take comments like that personally. Those comments aren’t meant for US, they are meant for the Speaker that opened their mouth, and drooled that filth out of it. Those words are a reflection of THEIR personal hang-ups – not yours. YOU are making friends with fellow writers, making the occasional buck or two, and generally having a good time making your readers squeal with delight, among other bodily functions.

So, some prissy-fingered prudes are have a problem with you writing smut?

So what? No matter the reason, it’s Not Your Problem – it’s THEIR’S. When someone opens their big fat slobbering gob, just smile and consider the source, because it really IS all about them.

Morgan Hawke
-- Smut-Writer and Damned Proud of it!
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It's a record:





Fantastic!
-- No wonder you're having server issues. LOL!
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There is nothing you can do to fully protect yourself from story theft...other than leaving your stories on your computer hard drive and never posting them... Take my word on this one...


This is absolutely true.
-- Anything at all that gets posted on the 'net WILL show up elsewhere. That's just how it is. Those that are not willing to accept this should Not Post on the 'net.

I'm willing to take that risk for the chance to get my stories out to my readers. However, I also have a hoard of rabid fans willing to piranha-attack anyone who dares steal anything from me. smile
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Nicola - if you're going to suggest writing novels, you'd better give us more than a few weeks!


It takes me a minimum of 1 month to write a 40k novella.
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I was thinking more along the lines of "surprise" quick and dirty competitions, no notice, specific topic, 2 day deadline. All authors would be pm'd about it on launch so people can't complain they weren't aware. That kind of thing.

An idea to mull over when the server is 100%.


Make it:
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No notice
Specific topic
A set word-count limit, (for example: 2000 words, give or take 100 words)
7 day deadline (so those who work full-time jobs will find the time to do it,)
-- And you're on!
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Awww! You're so cute when you're fierce!


lol. You sound like an ex of mine.


Hopefully only the Good parts of that ex?
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Reminds me of an early exercise in writing where you take the simplest thing and identify all the parts to an action. Brushing one's teeth for example...


That's exactly what this is. However in addition, by saying it out loud to a running movie, you also learn how to make those descriptions Brief -- something vitally important yet Always Overlooked when they teach how to write Fiction.

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Simple things can be explained in great descriptive length. Then take two people and all the complexities involved.


Exactly! Which is why description, while absolutely necessary, still needs to be brief.

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Mmm, scrumptious.


Thank you!
Quote by nicola
New Zealand has now been put on high alert, people are flocking out of Christchurch. That city might end up abandoned, if all the reports on the news are true.


I hope YOU are okay?
-- Screw the rest of the country, we can not afford to lose YOU.
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I'm guessing Ookami Kasumi is another of your noms de plume?


I really don't like your inference there. Of course it is.


Awww! You're so cute when you're fierce!
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Re: Art

I'm guessing Ookami Kasumi is another of your noms de plume?


Yes indeed, Ookami Kasumi is me.
-- Like many people who spend half their lives on the 'net, I have more than one identity.
Quote by nicola
I'd wait before travelling to Japan any day soon. Despite what the govt says, I've read that it will not be until January next year that the stricken nuclear reactor will actually be safe, and it will take around a decade to decommission all those thousands of stockpiled fuel rods, which should never have been allowed to sit there all this time in the first place.


I have been reading about that on the various news sites.
-- Scary how they let those just sit there for so long. My guess is that they simply didn't know what to do with them. There's no place on that tiny chain of islands that they can bury it. Every inch is covered in people.
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I like the second one in particular.

I see you're heavily influenced by anime. Have you been to Japan?


I have indeed been heavily influence by anime.
-- No, I haven't been to Japan -- yet, but I do like their anime art.
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I didn't know you are an artist. My mother has been one full time for over 30 years. My creativity came out in other ways


I do art for my own enjoyment because my skills are not anywhere good enough to be Professional.
-- I am a far, far better writer.

Examples:

Full sized image.


Full sized image.
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You rock, miss Hawke. Lush is lucky to have you.


I agree wholeheartedly.

I searched the web far and wide to find GOOD tutorials on writing in this genre, and only one site stood out. Lucky for me, Morgan has a very kind nature and enjoys helping out fellow writers.


Aww... Now I'm gonna need a tissue. sniff
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Very inventive, your exercise. You certainly were serious about improving your work, if you went to such lengths for it!

Obsession, more like... Seriously.

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I'm fortunate in this respect, that I'm naturally very, very visual. Been drawing since I could hold a crayon. Portraits are my passion.

Would you believe I started out as an artist? In fact, I'm quite good, just not good enough to make it. I have talent, but I just don't have the drive -- the obsession -- it takes to develop it. With writing however, I have more drive to improve than I know what to do with.

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And what is writing but a portrait of events, drawn in words?

Exactly!!!

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You rock, miss Hawke. Lush is lucky to have you.

I'm lucky in that Lush was kind enough to let me in. LOL!
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... it's ok, in my mind, to have things that aren't tied up, minor plot lines, etc, but dammit, the major characters and story thread had BETTER be tied up...


Exactly.
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oh! this reminds me of a story. A few years ago, i spent a summer in Peru with a celebrity (i won't mention his name) on a Llama ranch in the mountains. One weekend, a trio of drug smugglers got lost and drove up through the gates, like just minutes ahead of some sort of hit squad. My celebrity friend gave me the keys to the basement (it had been locked and off limits to me before) and told me to grab some weapons. I mean, seriously, turns out he had a small armory down there, as well as a fully stocked dungeon AND a submarine yard! wow! so yeah, we armed our selves and...


Cliffhanger -- AUGH!
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What ever happened to leaving the audience wanting more? I think that certainly has a place in short stories. For novels, I totally agree with your post.

Leaving the reading audience wanting more stories is fine. Leaving the reader frustrated because the author didn't tie up the story's main issue is bad. I despise books where you MUST read the next in the series to find out what happened in That story. In my eyes, that's Cheating.

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It's like when you're watching a movie and you have to decide for yourself how it probably ended. That's sometimes an interesting way to finish, but quite often, irritating!

You're more than welcome to like that sort of ending. I DON'T. I definitely won't read someone who does this consistently. At least tie up the main plot issue. The rest can be as vague as the author likes.
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I think the last few stories I wrote so far are just chapters, not stories. Haven't got the knack of a real ending yet. Ending a story is a good ambition to work toward..


Even I have trouble with endings. Despite my dedicated plotting, my stories can and do wander to places I don't expect.
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Basically you keep going till you're done. Sorry, but that's the only way to do it.
-- I think that should be written in blood over every writer's computer.


Ahhhhh..... (But in WHOSE blood????) LOL!!!


Now that would be telling! ;)
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My motivation is: IF I DON'T FINISH IT SOON, I WON'T FINISH IT AT ALL. That doesn't work for everyone, but I've learned it's the only way I'll ever finish anything.


I have the same problem. If I don't write a story as fast as I can, non-stop -- without interruptions -- it'll stall.
-- Once a story stalls on me, it'll take MONTHS or even YEARS to get back into that head-space to finish it. I CAN do it. I HAVE done it, but it was very much like eating my own eyeballs; nasty, slimy, and very painful.
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I've seen some advice recently in an article with Alexander McCall Smith (the guy who wrote the No.1 Ladies Detective Agency books) saying to try writing your novel as a short story first.

Frikken BRILLIANT advice!

Now begins the long torturous process of finishing it, lol! Research to do and integrate, technique to learn and apply, and many, many edits and revisions.

I try to get as much research and plotting done as I can BEFORE I write. It really saves on time and confusion later. In some cases, my research can inspire me to send the story in a completely unexpected direction.

Basically you keep going till you're done. Sorry, but that's the only way to do it.
Of course the only problem with that is it's never done, is it? There are always more improvements to make.

It's hard -- and frustrating -- being a perfectionist, I agree.

The opposite to those who want to rush in without doing enough work are those who aren't confident to take the plunge and submit despite working and working.

I couldn't make myself submit for YEARS. Finally, I was ASKED to submit by a publisher. That fixed everything!
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Most depressing post ever. Just saying. smile


I know.
-- Sadly, it takes a hell of a lot more work to write a book than people think. Look at how much work you have to do to write a 5000 word story, and how LONG it takes? Now multiply that to 100,000 words, (40 chapters at roughly 2500 words each.)
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Basically you keep going till you're done. Sorry, but that's the only way to do it.

I think that should be written in blood over every writer's computer.


It IS on mine.
----- Original Message -----
"How can anyone write a whole novel? It's too huge, there's too much to figure out, and too much to do! How does anyone keep up the pace and keep going to actually finish? And then when you're done with the first draft, what if you realize you don't know how to do story tension and the characters have changed and you have to start all over again? Why would anyone want to do all that WORK?"
- Disillusioned Author

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Lets do this one bit at a time...

Figuring out what to put in a Novel

I don't have any problems figuring out what to write in my novels because I plot out the entire book scene by scene. How do I do that?

PLOTTING
-- Plotting begins by understanding that although there are a million variations, every story follows the same basic pattern:

A basic Plot Arc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Introduction - early trouble, revealing the character's talents and setting
> Rising Action - increasing tension - crisis after crisis
> Climax / Reversal - point of highest tension & the story's turning point
> Falling Action – all plot threads unravel leaving only one solution
> Confrontation – final crisis, ending in hope or ruin
> Denouement - resolution
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All You have to do is figure out what to put where. Literally, Fill In The Blank.

Keeping up the Pace

The ONLY way to finish a book is with a well-developed Obsessive Compulsive habit. Basically you keep going till you're done. Sorry, but that's the only way to do it.

To maintain the flavor of a book through the months it takes to write it, I use specific movie soundtracks, (one book - one soundtrack).

Wrecked over Rewrites!

If you need to do a rewrite, then you DO IT, over and over again, until you get it RIGHT.

And if you can't get it right? Then you consider it Practice, shelve it, and go on to another project.

A Practice Story is NOT wasted work!
-- Practice is JUST as necessary as publication, if not more so. How are you supposed to perfect your techniques if you don't experiment first? Practice is Valuable Experience! Ask any artist: Do THEY offer their sketch drafts or do they take the time to perfect their techniques first?

It is ALWAYS in your best interests to Perfect your Craft BEFORE you submit! No matter what anyone says, you will be REMEMBERED by the editors that turn you down. "Oh, it's her again. I'm not going to bother reading her, I remember her last manuscript..." They may not even open the envelope to look at it.

You only want to deliver your very best work, work that you can be proud of years into your successful career.

All that Work!

Why do "I" do all that work? I LOVE writing stories.

For me, the ACT of writing is just as fulfilling (if not more so,) than the completion of a book. In fact, I usually get a severe case of depression while finishing the last three chapters. I get so involved, I DON'T want to end the story.

If you don't think writing is the neatest, keenest, coolest thing you could possibly do with your time then a Career in Fiction Writing may not be for you. It doesn't mean you shouldn't write -- writing is wonderfully fulfilling, everyone should do it! It just means that writing books that suit a publisher's needs may not be right for You.

Time to make an executive decision.

What is more crucial to your Personal Writing Happiness?


Money?
-- If money is what you're after, then you knuckle under and write what the publishers are asking for -- and you KEEP WRITING.

Writing for cash is an ongoing business. Sales only last for a LIMITED amount of time. Seriously, once everyone has already bought your book, then what? (I don't know about you, but I only buy One copy.) To keep that cash flow steady, you MUST write another book Before your sales dip -- and then another, and another...

Fame?
-- You're screwed. Only a tiny handful of authors achieve fame. No, really. THINK: how many authors can you name off the top of your head? (No cheating and looking at your bookshelf.)

Now, ask your friends, how many authors can They name? Do you honestly think you can compete with the authors THEY list? Hell, do you honestly think you can compete with the authors YOU listed? (I know I can't compare with my favorite authors, but I don't care.)

Truthfully? If you're looking for Fame, get into Acting because writing isn't going to get you there. Seriously.

Writing a damned good Story?
-- BRAVO! Go for it! There are ALWAYS places to publish a damned good story. It may not get you much money and fame, as you know, is iffy to begin with, but to the writer that loves to Write, successfully writing a damned good story is reward enough.

In Conclusion...
-- Writing a whole novel can be scary, and even nerve-wracking, but it can also be an incredibly rewarding experience -- even if you never publish it! All it takes is sheer stubbornness. (Coffee, chocolate, and cigarettes also helps, but that's just how I do it.)

DISCLAIMER: As with all advice, take what you can use and throw out the rest. As a multi-published author, I have been taught some fairly rigid rules on what is publishable and what is not. If my rather straight-laced (and occasionally snotty,) advice does not suit your creative style, by all means, IGNORE IT.
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I have one who likes to put commas in all over the place, and another who's a commacidal maniac. Gotta love 'em. biggrin


NONE of my publishers agree on commas, so I let them put them or pull them as they like.

On the other hand, I actually had to explain to one that an em-dash IS the proper punctuation for a comment that's been cut off in the middle and continues elsewhere - NOT an ellipsis. An ellipses is for Missing, Skipped or Omitted words. If the words are cut off by an action in the middle, they are NOT Missing, Skipped or Omitted.

"What the hell are you--?"
He tenderly bit down on her nipple.
She gasped. "--Doing to me?"
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Fun, isn't it? LOL I try to be on the ball and tune each manuscript to the house style *before* I submit it so I don't waste their time or mine, but invariably, there ends up being some tweakage. Can't win for losing, dammit. lol


Just goes to show that Editors are just as different from each other as authors.