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Alf Ramsey was a great tactician. He invented the diamond-shaped midfield formation, tried and testing at Ipswich which he then installed into the England team.

We were known as the "The Wingless Wonders" as the midfield formation consisted of one holding midfielder sitting in front of the two centre backs, two central midfielders and an attacking midfielder sitting behind the two strikers. It completely baffled the opposition wing backs, who would naturally be expecting wingers to be attacking down the flanks. It was this revolutionary formation that gave us the edge in that World Cup of '66.

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Let me answer thisfi ally once and for all. When football was first being played it was between a team from Scotland and a team from England. As Scotland and England (which are individual countries, for the idiot who thought they weren't), were setting up club sides, they set up their own Football Associations. As time went on the nation teams became so individual and so integral to world football and to FIFA, that they stayed as they were. This has never changed as there is no need to change it. The other point is that the countries are so individual and the citizens so individual, that the nations would not accept a British team. In the case of the 2012 olympics, a team was only entered after great hassle and debate and purely because it was a home olympics. The United Kingdom is a realm, a kingdom, an umbrella country with a government, but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Irelnd are very much individual nations, like France, Germany or Switzerland. Also, as founding members of world football, the seperate Football Associations could not be disbanded and individually unified as there are to many seperate interests and structures already in existence for a UK FA to work. Also, COME ON SCOTLAND!!!!
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Let me answer thisfi ally once and for all. When football was first being played it was between a team from Scotland and a team from England. As Scotland and England (which are individual countries, for the idiot who thought they weren't), were setting up club sides, they set up their own Football Associations. As time went on the nation teams became so individual and so integral to world football and to FIFA, that they stayed as they were. This has never changed as there is no need to change it. The other point is that the countries are so individual and the citizens so individual, that the nations would not accept a British team. In the case of the 2012 olympics, a team was only entered after great hassle and debate and purely because it was a home olympics. The United Kingdom is a realm, a kingdom, an umbrella country with a government, but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Irelnd are very much individual nations, like France, Germany or Switzerland. Also, as founding members of world football, the seperate Football Associations could not be disbanded and individually unified as there are to many seperate interests and structures already in existence for a UK FA to work. Also, COME ON SCOTLAND!!!!


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Jock Stein produced the greatest football team ever to grace God's earth, played football the right way, pure, inventive and beautiful. Produced a European Cup winning team of players who lived within a 20 mile radius of paradise, oh and he done it first, before any of the aforementioned. Respect the question but come the 18th of September it will be irrelevant, Scotland will be free! Anyway... Back to masturbating!!! x


Admire your loyalty to Jock. Were they the best ever team? Debatable.

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On September 18th Scotland has a referendum on independence from the UK.

Anyway, Jock Stein's side were very good, but hardly the best ever. Better than Real Madrid of the 1950s? Brazil 1970? Barcelona in the late 2000s? Liverpool in the 80s? That 1967 Celtic team was brilliant but not the best team ever.

Does anyone else think that England's team is actually very simple to get right? Play to the strengths lf the players rather than trying to be everything all at once. Play a 5-3-2 which wing backs given license to bomb forward, energetic midfielders who can play box to box, wide men with pace and a strong forward.

Something like:

Hart

Walker - Jones - Shawcross (don't under estimate him!) - Cahill - Baines

Walcott - Wilshere - Barkley - Oxlade-Chamberlain

Rooney

I think that would work to the strengths of the players and their style of play at their clubs. England gets overtaken by the heckling of the media too much. In no other country would the national team or association accept such media influence. In Germany, it would be stamped out, hard and fast. The England team needs to be focussed on itself and what it does well.
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On September 18th Scotland has a referendum on independence from the UK.

Anyway, Jock Stein's side were very good, but hardly the best ever. Better than Real Madrid of the 1950s? Brazil 1970? Barcelona in the late 2000s? Liverpool in the 80s? That 1967 Celtic team was brilliant but not the best team ever.

Does anyone else think that England's team is actually very simple to get right? Play to the strengths lf the players rather than trying to be everything all at once. Play a 5-3-2 which wing backs given license to bomb forward, energetic midfielders who can play box to box, wide men with pace and a strong forward.

Something like:

Hart

Walker - Jones - Shawcross (don't under estimate him!) - Cahill - Baines

Walcott - Wilshere - Barkley - Oxlade-Chamberlain

Rooney

I think that would work to the strengths of the players and their style of play at their clubs. England gets overtaken by the heckling of the media too much. In no other country would the national team or association accept such media influence. In Germany, it would be stamped out, hard and fast. The England team needs to be focussed on itself and what it does well.




No I don't think it's as easy as that. For the finals in Brazil, a few of the players who got us there were unavailable through injury anyway. At the moment we are not exactly blessed with an array of dazzling talent as club football has taken over financially in the importance stakes just as it has in Scotland with their premier League teams.

Walker is a wing back and I'm not in favour of wing backs - they make substandard wingers and substandard defenders. Our game is too fast for the wing-back system and the players tire too quickly to defend properly against the fresher legs of the oppositions forwards. I'm a Spurs fan and having watched Walker last season I have to say he was poor at times.

I would have preferred Defoe and Crouch up front - Crouch is almost impossible to defend against and Defoe will shoot whenever he can. We scored one goal at these finals - a very poor show from a team that consisted of inexperienced players and one or two that were past their best.

As José Mourinho said a few years back when asked about the amount of foreign players coming to English clubs, he said "You can have the best Premier league in the world or you can have the best international team in the world - but you can't have both".
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No I don't think it's as easy as that. For the finals in Brazil, a few of the players who got us there were unavailable through injury anyway. At the moment we are not exactly blessed with an array of dazzling talent as club football has taken over financially in the importance stakes just as it has in Scotland with their premier League teams.

Walker is a wing back and I'm not in favour of wing backs - they make substandard wingers and substandard defenders. Our game is too fast for the wing-back system and the players tire too quickly to defend properly against the fresher legs of the oppositions forwards. I'm a Spurs fan and having watched Walker last season I have to say he was poor at times.

I would have preferred Defoe and Crouch up front - Crouch is almost impossible to defend against and Defoe will shoot whenever he can. We scored one goal at these finals - a very poor show from a team that consisted of inexperienced players and one or two that were past their best.

As José Mourinho said a few years back when asked about the amount of foreign players coming to English clubs, he said "You can have the best Premier league in the world or you can have the best international team in the world - but you can't have both".


I think that's a pretty valid point. However, in this system you are not relying on wingbacks playing as out and out wingers or defenders. I totally get where your lack of faith in them comes from, but when played as genuine wingbacks, as they would be in this sytem, I think they could be genuinely effective.

Crouch and Defoe compliment each other and are (or were) very good, but I don't think they are international standard anymore. If you want a player in Crouchy's mould, why not Andy Carroll? He's had a poor run, but he is consistent and difficult to mark and always a serious aerial threat, as well as a reliable outball from defence.

Mourinho, I believe is probably right.
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