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True, wish them luck. On the bright side, the guy in charge will have his life back.
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True, wish them luck. On the bright side, the guy in charge will have his life back.
True. He'll just have to settle for a Bentley instead of a Rolls next year.
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I'm pretty sure that once the oil spill is stopped, and cleaned up, some other oil company will swoop in and buy up BP for a bargain price.
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I'm pretty sure that once the oil spill is stopped, and cleaned up, some other oil company will swoop in and buy up BP for a bargain price.
Yppers just like what happened with the Exxon fuck up back in oh what was it round 89?
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I'm pretty sure that once the oil spill is stopped, and cleaned up, some other oil company will swoop in and buy up BP for a bargain price.
Which is exactly what BP has done over the years with Standard Oil and then Amaco I think it was.
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This is certainly a tragedy! I, agree that BP "should" fail. I'm positive that they are holding secret meetings with other big oil giants trying to figure out a way to fuck all of us by increasing petroleum product prices to "offset" their losses. Their stock has been declining daily. I'll bet the stockholders are "up in arms" about their losses too. I would certainly love to see the prices on gas/oil "frozen" by executive order. But, that most likely won't happen. Once "Big Oil" gets their collective asses going, they will figure out how to raise prices to fuck all of us and save BP. Every day I watch as they try to get the CEO on tv for interviews and he refuses. It's up to everyone to get after their politicians and force something to be done.
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This is certainly a tragedy! I, agree that BP "should" fail. I'm positive that they are holding secret meetings with other big oil giants trying to figure out a way to fuck all of us by increasing petroleum product prices to "offset" their losses. Their stock has been declining daily. I'll bet the stockholders are "up in arms" about their losses too. I would certainly love to see the prices on gas/oil "frozen" by executive order. But, that most likely won't happen. Once "Big Oil" gets their collective asses going, they will figure out how to raise prices to fuck all of us and save BP. Every day I watch as they try to get the CEO on tv for interviews and he refuses. It's up to everyone to get after their politicians and force something to be done.
Like what President is gonna have the nuts to do something like that? Mainly for the fact big oil is so far up the Presidents ass it ain't funny
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I don't think there's much chance of that since BP contributed 72% to Reps and I think it was 42% to the Dems.
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I don't think there's much chance of that since BP contributed 72% to Reps and I think it was 42% to the Dems.
Like I said big oil is so far up the governments ass it ain't funny.
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I don't think there's much chance of that since BP contributed 72% to Reps and I think it was 42% to the Dems.
Like I said big oil is so far up the governments ass it ain't funny.
Yeah, somebody is getting a lube job alright.
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I don't think there's much chance of that since BP contributed 72% to Reps and I think it was 42% to the Dems.
Like I said big oil is so far up the governments ass it ain't funny.
Yeah, somebody is getting a lube job alright.
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I don't think there's much chance of that since BP contributed 72% to Reps and I think it was 42% to the Dems.
Like I said big oil is so far up the governments ass it ain't funny.
Yeah, somebody is getting a lube job alright.
Me too.
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This won't make me popular but here it is:
If you are opposed to drilling oil, then you must stop sucking from the straw, and it's not just about gas. Oil is used in everything. Synthetic fibers, medical equipment, computer equipment, and the machines that manufacture all of those things. It is in our food as the basis of preservatives, it is used in anesthetics, dyes, aspirin, furniture, disinfectants, cleansers, feminine hygiene products, condoms, and chewing gum. (Did you know that Goodyear—the tire and rubber company, made from oil—supplies Wrigley's with most of its gum base?) It is estimated that the average person uses three and a half gallons of oil a day not including cars. (This would include all the oil that is used to make your single, small, plastic sandwich baggy.) Over half of what is pumped from the earth is used in the creation of everyday goods other than fuel. Wind power, solar power, nuclear power, magic cold fusion power; none of that will reduce the need to keep on drilling.
People blame "big oil" for the grief that exists in the gulf. But if a 600 lb man walks into McDonald's and asks for six quarter pounders with extra cheese and a super sized order of fries, is that McDonald's fault? Are they greedy for satisfying an insatiable apatite that will ultimately kill the man? Where do we take personal responsibility? Oil companies don't pump it for fun. They pump it to meet demand. If everybody ate 10 lbs of meat a day at McDonald's the company would be very wealthy. However, if McDonalds only charged a nickel per Quarter Pounder, would people eat less meat or more meat? It's not about the money. Oil companies are not rich because of exploitation, they are rich because we have insatiable apatites. We pay them to be exactly who they are.
Oil goes beyond politics; Capitalists and Communists eat it at the same rate. (So do Democrats and Republicans, and Libertarians and the hopeless Naderites.) Oil goes beyond economics; We consume just as much oil if it is expensive, as when it is cheap, as a matter of fact, when it's cheap we consume more. We like to blame "big oil" for being rich, but we make them rich, we give them the money freely.
I am not on the side of "big oil." I am also not on the "tree-hugger stop drilling" side. I believe that BP was irresponsible in their deep water drilling frenzy to supply my desperate need for a pacemaker, a plasma TV, aspirin, three computers, and trash bags. (OH … and gum.)
We are angry because of the ongoing oil gusher. Would we be just as angry if the catastrophe had not happened, or happened off the coast of Venezuela? We would be in the same predicament; an absolute dependence on petroleum. We want 100% oil drilling safety which is impossible. We can reduce the odds and put in fail safes, but with the hundreds of thousands of drill heads out there, there will ALWAYS be a risk. It's just a matter of where and when. The oil business is dirty, and every time we buy or use something with a petroleum base we are in business with them.
IMHO, I cannot point fingers at them without seeing the oil drip from my own dirty fingers. I hope to god we can find an alternative to oil. But for the time being, I hope to god that they don't stop drilling; I would (literally) have a hard time living without it.
::Nobe shrugs, and walks away from the conversation, really wishing he had spend this time writing about something perverted.::
If you are opposed to drilling oil, then you must stop sucking from the straw, and it's not just about gas. Oil is used in everything. Synthetic fibers, medical equipment, computer equipment, and the machines that manufacture all of those things. It is in our food as the basis of preservatives, it is used in anesthetics, dyes, aspirin, furniture, disinfectants, cleansers, feminine hygiene products, condoms, and chewing gum. (Did you know that Goodyear—the tire and rubber company, made from oil—supplies Wrigley's with most of its gum base?) It is estimated that the average person uses three and a half gallons of oil a day not including cars. (This would include all the oil that is used to make your single, small, plastic sandwich baggy.) Over half of what is pumped from the earth is used in the creation of everyday goods other than fuel. Wind power, solar power, nuclear power, magic cold fusion power; none of that will reduce the need to keep on drilling.
People blame "big oil" for the grief that exists in the gulf. But if a 600 lb man walks into McDonald's and asks for six quarter pounders with extra cheese and a super sized order of fries, is that McDonald's fault? Are they greedy for satisfying an insatiable apatite that will ultimately kill the man? Where do we take personal responsibility? Oil companies don't pump it for fun. They pump it to meet demand. If everybody ate 10 lbs of meat a day at McDonald's the company would be very wealthy. However, if McDonalds only charged a nickel per Quarter Pounder, would people eat less meat or more meat? It's not about the money. Oil companies are not rich because of exploitation, they are rich because we have insatiable apatites. We pay them to be exactly who they are.
Oil goes beyond politics; Capitalists and Communists eat it at the same rate. (So do Democrats and Republicans, and Libertarians and the hopeless Naderites.) Oil goes beyond economics; We consume just as much oil if it is expensive, as when it is cheap, as a matter of fact, when it's cheap we consume more. We like to blame "big oil" for being rich, but we make them rich, we give them the money freely.
I am not on the side of "big oil." I am also not on the "tree-hugger stop drilling" side. I believe that BP was irresponsible in their deep water drilling frenzy to supply my desperate need for a pacemaker, a plasma TV, aspirin, three computers, and trash bags. (OH … and gum.)
We are angry because of the ongoing oil gusher. Would we be just as angry if the catastrophe had not happened, or happened off the coast of Venezuela? We would be in the same predicament; an absolute dependence on petroleum. We want 100% oil drilling safety which is impossible. We can reduce the odds and put in fail safes, but with the hundreds of thousands of drill heads out there, there will ALWAYS be a risk. It's just a matter of where and when. The oil business is dirty, and every time we buy or use something with a petroleum base we are in business with them.
IMHO, I cannot point fingers at them without seeing the oil drip from my own dirty fingers. I hope to god we can find an alternative to oil. But for the time being, I hope to god that they don't stop drilling; I would (literally) have a hard time living without it.
::Nobe shrugs, and walks away from the conversation, really wishing he had spend this time writing about something perverted.::
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I'm not opposed to drilling Nobel. I just think they need to watch over it and the companies more than we do to make sure they do it safe. Too many lives have been lost because of people looking the other way at safety regs, etc. We'll never be rid of the big oil companies, I understand that. As you said, if this happened a half a world away most Americans would shrug and still hit the gas station to fill up their Escalade.
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I hear you, Nobe, and chef said it as good or better than I could, that it's about their irresponsibility, not the fact that it's oil. It's funny, look back at the beginning of this thread and it happened again. There's this immediate assumption that anyone angry at BP is some dumbass that doesn't understand that we are tied to oil in all that we do. We get it. It's about safety and due diligence and being responsible to something other than their fucking shareholders. Would I care if it was off the coast of Venezuela? Yes, but not nearly as much, because that isn't my country or in my backyard. That's not my government that's supposed to be making these greedy bastards jump through the right hoops and follow all the right regulations. Let them make noise about their own, at least until they get shot for speaking up.
I saw where some former government official got pissed about Obama criticizing BP, saying that "all of Americas might and wealth" couldn't clean up this mess, so now we're blaming a multinational company. Well....yes, and yes, dickhead. The mess that BP made. Other than diversion, not sure what his point was.
I saw where some former government official got pissed about Obama criticizing BP, saying that "all of Americas might and wealth" couldn't clean up this mess, so now we're blaming a multinational company. Well....yes, and yes, dickhead. The mess that BP made. Other than diversion, not sure what his point was.
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I'm not opposed to drilling Nobel. I just think they need to watch over it and the companies more than we do to make sure they do it safe. Too many lives have been lost because of people looking the other way at safety regs, etc. We'll never be rid of the big oil companies, I understand that. As you said, if this happened a half a world away most Americans would shrug and still hit the gas station to fill up their Escalade.
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I hear you, Nobe, and chef said it as good or better than I could, that it's about their irresponsibility, not the fact that it's oil. It's funny, look back at the beginning of this thread and it happened again. There's this immediate assumption that anyone angry at BP is some dumbass that doesn't understand that we are tied to oil in all that we do. We get it. It's about safety and due diligence and being responsible to something other than their fucking shareholders. Would I care if it was off the coast of Venezuela? Yes, but not nearly as much, because that isn't my country or in my backyard. That's not my government that's supposed to be making these greedy bastards jump through the right hoops and follow all the right regulations. Let them make noise about their own, at least until they get shot for speaking up.
I saw where some former government official got pissed about Obama criticizing BP, saying that "all of Americas might and wealth" couldn't clean up this mess, so now we're blaming a multinational company. Well....yes, and yes, dickhead. The mess that BP made. Other than diversion, not sure what his point was.
I agree with you both. It is BP's responsibility to clean up this mess that they made, which I asked for by consuming oil so voraciously, that they are forced to drill in places where it is not safe to drill. There are already so many regulations, and oversight committees, and hoops to jump through, to secure a process that is inherently unsecurable, that adding a hundred more layers of safety bureaucracy would accomplish nothing. It would not matter if there where a dozen men placed at every ten feet of pipe and pumps who's sole purpose it was to watch over and prevent catastrophes. When you are drilling in an area where humans cannot go it is dangerous and risky. Shit happens; Uncontrollable, unpredictable, combinations of human and technological error. What happened in the Gulf was a fuck-up, I have no doubt. If we as consumers cannot accept that risk and its consequences, we shouldn't be there. Which is not to say that BP should not pay, or that we shouldn't suck their carcass dry of blood money till the corpse is a desiccated shell. We should, however, acknowledge that doing so does not solve the problem. We will still be addicted to the oil, and we will be asking another company to do do the same thing, to feed our fix, at whatever cost and whatever risk. It will still be just as dangerous regardless of the supposed "corporate greed factor." No matter what legislation that congress will inevitably tack-on to "solve the problem." I have a friend who works in the manufacturing dynamite. He says "You can not legislate safety, you can only mitigate the consequences."
What if we used all of our technological knowhow and limitless(?) monetary reserves to make drilling less dangerous? What if all Oil companies were altruistic humanitarian philanthropists? We then could suck at the straw and feed our addiction without worry. Only, oil is a natural resource which is not limitless. The reasons we are in deep waters, and Alaskan tundras is because we are running out of the easy places to find it. Once it is gone, it is gone. Welcome to the 1880's
The only real solution is to find an alternative to oil. Not just for fuel, but for every other petroleum thread that is wound into the fabric of our daily existence.
I hope I am not being offensive to anybody in my opinions. I am not defending BP. I just cannot in good conscious place the blame squarely on their shoulders. Some of this must reside with me as the consumer who keeps demanding more at whatever the risk.
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I agree with every word of that Nobe. You are today's awesome dude!
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It's funny how BP tried to change their image to Beyond Petroleum yet they are still drilling for oil go figure face it folks it's a damned dangerous business oil drilling no matter what kind of safety precautions they take interesting article I found and not the first time they have had issues either
http://www.prwatch.org/node/9038
http://www.prwatch.org/node/9038
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I know I'm Johnny-come-lately on this, but I have been observing and finally just had to say........
On June 3, 1979, workers aboard the Sedco 135-F semisubmersible drilling rig located in Mexico’s Bay of Campeche removed pipe from the Ixtoc-1 well to change the drill-bit.
During this routine process, oil and natural gas under tremendous geologic pressure overcame the weight of the drilling mud and the well blew out. The blowout preventer--a device designed to close the well in the event of a just such an emergency--activated but wasn’t powerful enough to shear through the thick pipe being pulled out of the well. (Hmmm...sounds familiar)
The result was devastating. Hydrocarbons gushing from the well ignited at the surface, and the 63 rig workers, some injured and burned, were rescued before the rig sank. Gas bubbling from the well continued to burn on the surface long after the rig went down.
In the late 1970s, the Bay of Campeche was still a relatively young hydrocarbon-producing region. The largest oilfield in this area is Cantarell, a giant field discovered in 1976 that produced more than 2 million barrels per day at peak production in 2003-04.
The bad news: It took PEMEX, a Mexican Oil Co, nearly 10 months to drill the two relief wells and stop the spill. Over 290 days, the well gushed oil at an uncontrolled rate. The Ixtoc spill is estimated at 3.3 million barrels (138.6 million gallons) of oil. The crude oil released into the Gulf at that time makes BP look positively environmentally friendly!! <gag>
The Good News: Most marine biologists who studied the after-effects of the spill were surprised at how quickly the Gulf recovered. In the warm waters of the Gulf, oil degrades at a far faster pace than it does in colder conditions; the basic rule of thumb is that for every 10 degrees Celsius oil degrades at about twice the speed. Accordingly, the oil spilled by the Exxon Valdez in Alaska took much longer to break down than the oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
Mother Nature has a way of taking care of herself; the Gulf’s waters contain natural microorganisms that break down oil.
By most accounts, local fisheries had recovered to more or less normal levels within two to three years after the Ixtoc-1 spill. Some believe that fishing bans in the wake of the spill alleviated overfishing in the region and helped total population.
My point?
It has happened before and will likely happen again. Both BP and the US Government failed to fully learn from the 1979 disaster, however, modern technology, whether you like it or not, limited the amount of oil that COULD have escaped this time.
Let's just hope they can fix this so the lawyers can start working on their christmas bonuses.
On June 3, 1979, workers aboard the Sedco 135-F semisubmersible drilling rig located in Mexico’s Bay of Campeche removed pipe from the Ixtoc-1 well to change the drill-bit.
During this routine process, oil and natural gas under tremendous geologic pressure overcame the weight of the drilling mud and the well blew out. The blowout preventer--a device designed to close the well in the event of a just such an emergency--activated but wasn’t powerful enough to shear through the thick pipe being pulled out of the well. (Hmmm...sounds familiar)
The result was devastating. Hydrocarbons gushing from the well ignited at the surface, and the 63 rig workers, some injured and burned, were rescued before the rig sank. Gas bubbling from the well continued to burn on the surface long after the rig went down.
In the late 1970s, the Bay of Campeche was still a relatively young hydrocarbon-producing region. The largest oilfield in this area is Cantarell, a giant field discovered in 1976 that produced more than 2 million barrels per day at peak production in 2003-04.
The bad news: It took PEMEX, a Mexican Oil Co, nearly 10 months to drill the two relief wells and stop the spill. Over 290 days, the well gushed oil at an uncontrolled rate. The Ixtoc spill is estimated at 3.3 million barrels (138.6 million gallons) of oil. The crude oil released into the Gulf at that time makes BP look positively environmentally friendly!! <gag>
The Good News: Most marine biologists who studied the after-effects of the spill were surprised at how quickly the Gulf recovered. In the warm waters of the Gulf, oil degrades at a far faster pace than it does in colder conditions; the basic rule of thumb is that for every 10 degrees Celsius oil degrades at about twice the speed. Accordingly, the oil spilled by the Exxon Valdez in Alaska took much longer to break down than the oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
Mother Nature has a way of taking care of herself; the Gulf’s waters contain natural microorganisms that break down oil.
By most accounts, local fisheries had recovered to more or less normal levels within two to three years after the Ixtoc-1 spill. Some believe that fishing bans in the wake of the spill alleviated overfishing in the region and helped total population.
My point?
It has happened before and will likely happen again. Both BP and the US Government failed to fully learn from the 1979 disaster, however, modern technology, whether you like it or not, limited the amount of oil that COULD have escaped this time.
Let's just hope they can fix this so the lawyers can start working on their christmas bonuses.
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"If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must man be of learning from experience?" - George Bernard Shaw
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I just saw the documentary "Collapse" with/about Michael C. Ruppert who mentions many of the same things as NobeUddy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1503769/
While there are plenty points made that made sense I always have a strong desire to see more evidence backing them up.
Anyway, interesting docu.
While there are plenty points made that made sense I always have a strong desire to see more evidence backing them up.
Anyway, interesting docu.
Insert typical super smart ass comment courtesy of thepainter here.
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The guy might actually have something I agree with him on if it would work blow the fucking well up. Interesting idea though I say kick BP aside they had their chance it hasn't worked now let the navy take over. to fucking bad if they go bust from that fuck up.
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