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When is cheating really cheating?

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Quote by SereneProdigy


So what? The same logical reasoning still applies...

What if I masturbate and don't get caught? Am I only 'masturbating' when I get caught in the act?
If that's the case, I swear I have never masturbated even once in my entire lifetime.


And here's a very similar scenario to cheating:

Imagine that I throw a party at my place and invite many people over. Then I prepare a huge bowl of sangria before anyone arrives, and malevolently pee in it. I then taste the preparation myself, and realize that the taste of urine isn't apparent at all. The party then goes on, and everybody drinks my sangria and compliments me on how awesome it tastes.

Did I do anything wrong here? Nobody realized that they've been drinking pee and their health isn't jeopardized in any way, so no harm has been done, right?

Here, you have an action that's not illegal and that absolutely no one noticed, much similar to cheating. But it doesn't mean that this action isn't despicable, reprehensible and morally questionable.



Good point.

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cheating on an emotionally or physically absent partner is *maybe* slightly more understandable than cheating on a completely dedicated and fulfilling partner (...)


The thing is, in just about every cheating scenario you'll find out that the person cheated on an 'emotionally or physically absent partner', rather than a 'completely dedicated and fulfilling partner'. So you could basically sugarcoat just about any cheating situation.
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Quote by SereneProdigy


So what? The same logical reasoning still applies...

What if I masturbate and don't get caught? Am I only 'masturbating' when I get caught in the act?
If that's the case, I swear I have never masturbated even once in my entire lifetime.


And here's a very similar scenario to cheating:

Imagine that I throw a party at my place and invite many people over. Then I prepare a huge bowl of sangria before anyone arrives, and malevolently pee in it. I then taste the preparation myself, and realize that the taste of urine isn't apparent at all. The party then goes on, and everybody drinks my sangria and compliments me on how awesome it tastes.

Did I do anything wrong here? Nobody realized that they've been drinking pee and their health isn't jeopardized in any way, so no harm has been done, right?

Here, you have an action that's not illegal and that absolutely no one noticed, much similar to cheating. But it doesn't mean that this action isn't despicable, reprehensible and morally questionable.

What happened to the rest of my post?

My views on cheating have been posted on umpteen threads. I have never done it. I have been cheated on, more than once! I have gone without sex rather than cheat.
The question should not even be asked. If you are going to cheat, cheat! Don't be looking for excuses because in my opinion there aren't any.
Now pass me a glass of your sangria.
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Good point.


Let's drink to that!

Well, I'll be having a glass of water myself, but you people are free to overindulge in my sangria.


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Is it cheating? Yes.

But is it right for one partner to decide to withhold sex from another? That person has chosen to alter the relationship as well, in essence trapping their partner in a sexless relationship. It doesn't change the fact that it is cheating, but I can completely understand where someone might be tempted to seek another source of physical intimacy.
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Quote by SereneProdigy


The thing is, in just about every cheating scenario you'll find out that the person cheated on an 'emotionally or physically absent partner', rather than a 'completely dedicated and fulfilling partner'. So you could basically sugarcoat just about any cheating situation.


i agree, for the most part. which is why i said maybe more understandable but no less wrong. it's still every bit cheating and every bit wrong.
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Now pass me a glass of your sangria.

Let all those regular guests indulge in my sangria Derek, I've prepared a very tasty milkshake just for you.


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Is it cheating? Yes.

But is it right for one partner to decide to withhold sex from another? That person has chosen to alter the relationship as well, in essence trapping their partner in a sexless relationship. It doesn't change the fact that it is cheating, but I can completely understand where someone might be tempted to seek another source of physical intimacy.


while i agree with this (you've better articulated my exact point, actually), i think in most cheating situations that use that as an excuse, if you look deeper you'll find there's a lot more to the story than just one person deciding to deprive their partner of one of the cornerstones of their relationship.
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Let's drink to that!

Well, I'll be having a glass of water myself, but you people are free to overindulge in my sangria.





Cheers! Extra pubes. Shaken not stirred.
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Let all those regular guests indulge in my sangria Derek, I've prepared a very tasty milkshake just for you.



I might have to stay the night after that.
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I might have to stay the night after that.




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I chortle like a lunatic every time I read this thread.

Thanks to Sereneprodigy and dpw for brightening my life.
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the moment you decide it has to be hidden.

Say. Her. Name.


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Its cheating if the other half of the couple doesn't know, or knows and doesn't approve. Its not cheating if both know, agree and ever better if they share the act or hopefully multiple acts. Then its just good play. I'd also say its cheating if the basic emotional bond is broken.

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Quote by amy221
Its cheating if the other half of the couple doesn't know, or knows and doesn't approve. Its not cheating if both know, agree and ever better if they share the act or hopefully multiple acts. Then its just good play. I'd also say its cheating if the basic emotional bond is broken.

amy


Once again we are fully in agreement!
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I don't think most of what's being discussed is "Is it cheating?" (because it pretty much all is), but rather "Is cheating justified in this situation?".

I won't speak for anyone else, but for me the answer is nearly always no. I've never been stuck in a truly painful/toxic relationship I couldn't get out of, though, so it is easy for me to say. I try not to judge (being raised Southern Baptist, that's not always easy).
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Cheating is whatever a couple decide/feel is cheating.

Some couples have open relationships and are completely ok with their partner having sex with other people. So that's not cheating.

Others consider cheating something that practically everyone else would be ok with.
One example:
For reasons that are not relevant at this moment, I told my first boyfriend he had to choose between me or keeping in touch with his ex.
So, since he aggreed to it and was totally aware of how I would feel if he kept in touch with her, talking with her would be cheating.

Generally masturbation, porn, reading erotica, etc. isn't considered cheating though I'm sure that this is cheating for some people.
But aren't we entitled to do whatever we want with our body? Or watch or read whatever we want?

I've heard from some people that sex chat is not cheating because you are not actually touching other person. That it's the same than watching porn.
I used to agree with that, when it was with random anonymous people. But I've seen how emotional it can get here. For me it is cheating the moment that you are involved with another person.

And there is the emotional involvement without sex.

This is a very complicated topic. I honestly think that depends on the couple. But I would say that:

- It's cheating whatever the couple has agreed is cheating.
- It's cheating when, even without having talked about it, you know your partner wouldn't approve and still do it.

Then there are things that are not generally considered cheating, and if you haven't talked about it, it can happen that you have opposite views. One of you thinks it's cheating, the other thinks it's not. And it's Ross&Rachel's "we were on a break" all over again.

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Cheating is cheating when you call it cheating.
You will KNOW if you are cheating, you will feel it.
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I think cheating is when you do something sexual with another person with out your partner knowing about it and you don't tell him...
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I think cheating is when you can connect with someone emotionally, sexually, or any kind of physical way, more than you do your spouse. For one reason or another, be it because of you, or something you feel is missing from your relationship. Which you should fix with your spouse, instead of finding it elsewhere. If you can't fix it, you leave that person, THEN find someone.
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Cheating occurs when the vow or agreement between two individuals is violated. It's up to the individuals involved in the relationship to determine the boundaries of the covenant. Innocent flirting, emotional connections, and/or sexual encounters may or may not constitute cheating depending upon the boundaries set by the individuals.

The inability to share an (extra) encounter with a partner (spouse) is cheating, in my opinion. Particularly if it's a mental/emotional connection, because that's the basis of any relationship anyway. The mental/emotional is where love begins. Sex strengthens the mental connection.

It's the extra mental/emotional connection that hurts the partner who's being cheated on the most.

A word of advice - move on before cheating.
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Quote by Poppet
I think cheating is when you can connect with someone emotionally, sexually, or any kind of physical way, more than you do your spouse. For one reason or another, be it because of you, or something you feel is missing from your relationship. Which you should fix with your spouse, instead of finding it elsewhere. If you can't fix it, you leave that person, THEN find someone.


Exactly this.
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Quote by Dani
Cheating varies from one relationship to the next. Boundaries have to be set in a relationship as far as cheating goes, and anything that violates these boundaries is considered cheating.

For some it's a text or an email, or maybe a kiss. It just depends on the standards of that relationship, which is something that should be addressed prior to entering a relationship.

Typically any form of involvement with someone behind your partner's back because you know they wouldn't like it can be considered cheating, or at the very least a violation of trust.


This! Nailed it.
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When you feel like you have to keep secrets, you already know you're doing something you should't be.
Cheating is doing anything you are hiding from your partner or don't tell your partner about.
If you really want to know what cheating is, tell your partner what you've been up to and ask them if they feel betrayed or cheated on.
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If you are hungry, have no money, steal a loaf of bread, it's stealing, even if the justification is that you were hungry. If you go outside your marriage/relationship, it's cheating, and I completely understand your situation and why you are considering it. I used to be very black and white about things because of how I was raised. You do not divorce, you do not cheat, you don't do this, or that, but as I've gotten older, I've learned to accept there are gray areas.

If you choose to go ahead with this affair, you have a lot of things to consider, to talk about, to decide.

Is it strictly based on sex because that's what you're missing or are you falling in love or feeling a deeper connection with this woman?

Would you consider leaving your marriage for her?

If you are caught, will you apologize to your wife, leave the woman behind and stay in your marriage?

Will your wife forgive you?

What will she do if she's caught? How will she handle it?

Are you worried about how family and friends will react to the affair?

Is it cheating? Yes Can you justify it? Yes People join Lush without their spouses/SO's knowing they are here, so what do we call what they are doing? Isn't that a form of cheating as well because it's a secret? Is there guilt and remorse because you know what you are doing is wrong? YES! We are all guilty of doing something we know we shouldn't be doing. When it comes time to pay the consequences, it will be between you, your spouse, and God. Just think it through and also know that it can go wrong and cause you and everyone involved immense heartache.

I wish you well.
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There are a lot of great replies here, however I wonder how many have ever been in this same situation. I have read you should fix the issue with your SO and if you can't fix it leave. As someone mentioned before there are many grey areas and there are also many different reasons why people cheat, whether it be emotional or physical.

Cheating is different for each and every relationship. Would you say that someone who is in an open relationship but doesn't give the specifics to their SO is cheating? What if one partner no longer enjoys sex but everything else about the relationship is great? Should they split up strictly because of the lack of sex?

My mother was cheated on multiple times by my father and it wasn't until I was in a similar situation myself did I actually see the grey areas.

I agree, there are many things to ponder before you jump into an affair or even a one night stand. The guilt you may or may not be troubled with could eat you alive. Some, I'm sure, feel guilty about their actions and others feel guilty for not feeling guilty at all.