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Lush is now mainly a site for chatting and swapping porn pics. With some stories added on.


Because Lush is homed on a site that was, up until six weeks ago, a place mainly for chatting and swapping porn pics. The stories have been added on; that's why it feels like it _now_. But it won't be that way forever.


Given infinite time and resources, it could all be made the same as it was, sooner. Sadly that's not the case and everything takes time to (re)build. In addition, there are ever increasing and oppressive content restrictions being put in place by stakeholders such as financial gateways and hosting providers that have an impact on what can be rolled out and how it is managed. Lush 1 would equally have been affected and would have required sweeping changes to comply; basically forcing us to moderate every single picture posted anywhere on the site, in addition to the stories.


Yes the upheaval is inconvenient in the short term. Yes there are features I would dearly love to see returned as soon as possible, including stable email notifications of stories published - as an author that can make the difference between a few reads and hundreds.


The points Susie and others have raised are all valid. Everyone has their own idea of what features are important, and not everyone's vision aligns. Some features in Lush 1 were bodges. Bodging them again for the sake of getting it working right this minute, for parity, isn't a sustainable path; it introduces instability which makes it harder to add new stuff and maintain existing features down the line.


If I had a roadmap, I'd publish it. Maybe now much of the firefighting is out of the way and people can (mostly) log in and use the site, a tentative schedule can be published. I don't know.


Trouble is, if a schedule or feature hit list is published and it's not adhered to or doesn't meet some people's expectations, it will be used as a vehicle to trash the site. If a changeset is published after every software push, it might give some people a reason to flame the site for prioritising feature X over feature Y. Maybe an advertised fix means something else breaks (which happened regularly in Lush 1 and happens in every complex software system the world over - it's not unique). In that case, publishing the fix list gives people ammo to ridicule it.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.



Very well said, WW. 


Members continually asserting that they are "being patient, but", is the opposite of being patient. 

Whilst I appreciate that this site upgrade, and it is a significant upgrade, has been an upheaval for many, it doesn't help to be patronising and unkind to one another. 


Everyone here is doing their best, the developers have done an outstanding job catering to what is a very demanding membership base. Having high expectations is a good thing, let's also be realistic. 


It's been a month. We're getting there. 

I quite agree it helps to be realistic but what I was objecting to in the final paragraph of my late night flounce post is the cheerleaders for lush 2.0 who have no time for protest or dissent. 

I have seen several forum threads where posters have been slapped down by cries of its great, there are new features every day, Rome want built in a day, you can’t go back so shut up. 

I understand all about the old site was going to keel over and we had to move. I think the fact we moved to a swingers chat site with a story bolt on shocked everyone and with hindsight I imagine there would have been a lot more notices preparing people about the new normal.

Yes let’s agree that Lush is improving weekly but let’s not pretend it’s all great and there are no issues so let’s all keep quiet. To create an environment like that merely encourages everyone to slink away quietly and with no fuss or protest.

Exactly what I have been saying. Let people vent if they want. At least they are still here and still waiting and watching for the changes and fixes and additions of some of the well liked features we had before and what made Lush unique. And don't keep answering them with the rah rah cheers, it just pisses people off more. I, for all my point making, hope as much or more than anyone, that the new Lush succeeds.

But I miss my friends that I can never seem to connect with anymore, other than by email. And I miss the friends that have left or at least have stopped coming on Lush because it requires more of an effort to find things that used to be all in one place on my profile page. (and yes, as people use the site more, and get more used to the navigation, it will become easier, but that still doesn't mean it IS easier). I liked to be able to customize my page and there are others that did it to a far greater extent than I did. At least one of those is now those friends is now gone.

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Absolutely. The help desk is there to raise missing stuff, bugs, features, and so forth. That's probably the most constructive avenue, but there's the issue of bogging it down.

Maybe a single sticky post where someone (me?) can list the things that need addressing. When they're done, cross them out. If they break, uncross them. At least then, before raising a ticket, someone can squint through the list in the OP and see if it's already there, instead of wading through threads to find stuff.

Would that be useful?

They closed the original thread because they claimed it was getting too hard for the developers to sift through and we should use the report feature to report bugs. But that only promotes even less transparency and I can't see how it helps prevent duplicate reporting or makes it any easier for the developers to sort through. So yes, perhaps a thread that lists all the bugs in a single list and all the suggestions in a separate list with the ones that have been fixed or added marked in some manner would be helpful. And perhaps have it locked so only a mod can update, which would make it easy to see at a glance what the status is, rather than having to go through 16 pages to see where things are at.

There's venting, and there's stirring the pot.

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And mods and developers are continually saying, "the site has only been up for x days, but..." and that is also patronizing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

The site has only been up 4 or 5 weeks, and significant vast improvements have been made. The team are listening and we are all doing our best.