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What a very interesting discussion...

I've written upon Lush before about my own experiences and won't bore you all by repetition BUT perhaps in view of the discussion the writings of those who DEFINED themselves as gay or lesbian yet later discovered love, family and indeed sexual fulfillment with a member of the opposite sex might be enlightening.

The English singer and Gay Activist Tom Robinson fell in love and remains happily married to a woman.

The English actor/writer/author Jackie Clune was an avowed lesbian for years before eventually marrying the man who became father to her four children.

In NO WAY do I wish to disparage those who define themselves as exclusively lesbian or gay. Of course not.

I MIGHT suggest that, as society becomes more accepting of sexual difference in terms of traditional models, the NATURE of sexual attraction in terms of gender becomes more complex.

What we can accept is that the concept of romantic and operable love is closely related to sexual attraction and that attraction is not always limited to self-assigned gender codes be they genetic or socially based.

I need not say I presume that Love is the most pleasurable experience in life and must be appreciated and enjoyed wherever and whenever it it received and accepted.

Is sexuality a choice?

I'd have to say probably not. But the wider question is 'Is LOVE a choice?' (And I think we all know it isn't.)

xx Steph


Exactly. Before I discovered Lush comunity I lived in believe that people are bi-sexual beings. Meaning, we get attracted to a person not to a gender. Lush changed that a bit for me, here were bi ladies and lesbians quite agressive (when I joined) so I decided to lable myself for the first time in my life (I was never with a woman, so thats why straight), I most certanly am not curious about my sexuality, I know what pleases me, it really doesnt matter if it comes from man or woman.. Personaly, I think we all are the same bi sexuals, my two cents anyway
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I think that this is a very complicated question... for some, like myself, we are born gay. I always knew what I wanted and what I liked. Perhaps my parents had something to do with my sexual orientation when their genes and chromosomes mixed to make me. Having said that, I know for a fact that for others their sexuality comes through past experiences and their environment... but even then, I do not think that they actually had a choice. Once they came in contact with the experience that triggered the behavior or in this case the sexual orientation, that was it, they were either hooked or repelled by the actions of others.

For another group of people, especially bisexuals, they do get to chose between male or female partners... so you see this whole issue is not as easy as you might think, but it is worth talking and discussing smile

Homosexuality is not genetic, there is no gay gene. This has been proven through a study of identical twins as they exactly the same genetic make up.
The latest theory is it is epigenetic, with epi marks not being erased in a certain region of the X chromosome. It is thought that gay men inherit the epimarks from their mother and lesbians from their father. This study is ongoing so it isn't known if the marks can be partially erased leading to bisexuality. Nor if marks can re-emerge leading to straight to gay.
Upbringing, friends, school and society have an affect on how we act and whether we follow our orientation or supress it but it is still there.
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Exactly. Before I discovered Lush comunity I lived in believe that people are bi-sexual beings. Meaning, we get attracted to a person not to a gender. Lush changed that a bit for me, here were bi ladies and lesbians quite agressive (when I joined) so I decided to lable myself for the first time in my life (I was never with a woman, so thats why straight), I most certanly am not curious about my sexuality, I know what pleases me, it really doesnt matter if it comes from man or woman.. Personaly, I think we all are the same bi sexuals, my two cents anyway


(kiss!)

xx SF
No, it chose me
Why are there so many afraid of the word, ''choice"?
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Homosexuality is not genetic, there is no gay gene. This has been proven through a study of identical twins as they exactly the same genetic make up.
The latest theory is it is epigenetic, with epi marks not being erased in a certain region of the X chromosome. It is thought that gay men inherit the epimarks from their mother and lesbians from their father. This study is ongoing so it isn't known if the marks can be partially erased leading to bisexuality. Nor if marks can re-emerge leading to straight to gay.
Upbringing, friends, school and society have an affect on how we act and wether we follow our orientation or supress it but it is still there.


Whether it is a gene or with epi marks, some gay people are born being gay… others are not. Either way there is nothing wrong with their sexual orientation or preference smile
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Why are there so many afraid of the word, ''choice"?


Who says that we are afraid of the word "choice"?
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Who says that we are afraid of the word "choice"?

I think everbody that's gay chooses. They choose wether to accept it or deny it, if they accept it then they choose to be open about it or to hide it. They are not afraid of choice but they may be afraid of the choices and moreso the consequences of their choice. I chose to be open about my sexuality and accept the consequences, I'm lucky that the society that I live in has a tolerance to homosexuality. I honestly can't say what my choice would have been if my life was at risk by being openly gay. I do know that I'm happy being who I am and not hiding my gayness.
From a psych standpoint; it's bit of everything. Some can be born that way, who we hang out/interact with (our friends be they gay, bi, or straight), how we were brought up (raised in a liberal or homophobic household/surrounding), or it could simply be one's choice to experiment. I know I chose to experiment and liked it on the bi side of the fence, but after a hard look at myself I discovered that loved women more.
It's not a choice and even if it was, I'm sure those who are gay and lesbian would still be. It's just who they are.
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It's not a choice and even if it was, I'm sure those who are gay and lesbian would still be. It's just who they are.


Couldn't have said it better smile
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It's not a choice and even if it was, I'm sure those who are gay and lesbian would still be. It's just who they are.

Yes but that's in a fairly tolerant world. Imagine Zimbabwe or Iran and now Russia with their anti gay laws. Think of a gay guy on Pitcairn, St Helena or Tristan Da Cuna where there's more chance of fucking a frog than meeting another gay. I remember a few years ago on a gay social network site there was a guy from the Falkland Islands, just one, the lonliness must have been awful.
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Couldn't have said it better smile

That's based on your own good memories and an assumption that they would be repeated. What if you were persecuted or isolated, would you feel the same?
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That's based on your own good memories and an assumption that they would be repeated. What if you were persecuted or isolated, would you feel the same?


Although you posed a valid point, I can not erase from my mind the experiences that I already have had... I know what I like and what I want. Would it be difficult to be in those situations? sure it will, but my life wasn't rosie growing up either. Admittedly my situation was better than most, if not all of the situations you posed, but my guess is that given the choice I would still be who and how I am... perhaps a little bit more in the closet, but gay nonetheless.
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Yes but that's in a fairly tolerant world. Imagine Zimbabwe or Iran and now Russia with their anti gay laws. Think of a gay guy on Pitcairn, St Helena or Tristan Da Cuna where there's more chance of fucking a frog than meeting another gay. I remember a few years ago on a gay social network site there was a guy from the Falkland Islands, just one, the lonliness must have been awful.


I understand, I do. I still think however they'd still choose to be gay, if they had a "choice" they still would, because it is who they are. They'd want to be true to themselves. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
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I understand, I do. I still think however they'd still choose to be gay, if they had a "choice" they still would, because it is who they are. They'd want to be true to themselves. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

Population of Tristan Da Cunha less than 300 spread across the islands. Population of Pitcairn less than 70. The chance of meeting another gay of the same sex that you remotely fancy - nil. If you did manage it at least they won't be cheating on you.
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Although you posed a valid point, I can not erase from my mind the experiences that I already have had... I know what I like and what I want. Would it be difficult to be in those situations? sure it will, but my life wasn't rosie growing up either. Admittedly my situation was better than most, if not all of the situations you posed, but my guess is that given the choice I would still be who and how I am... perhaps a little bit more in the closet, but gay nonetheless.

Little bit more in the closet? In Zimbabwe they attack you with machetes, in Iran they cut your cock off then stone you! I tell you, I'd be so deep in that closet you'd need a search and rescue team to find me.
Sexuality a choice? I have chosen........

to fight all the feelings that have been hidden inside of me for years
Well it can be I suppose but I am bi so I love who I love. I guess you choose to explore it or you don't. But that is a more esoteric answer. I don't think I had a choice, I think I am just who I am.


ROTFLMAO!
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It's not a choice and even if it was, I'm sure those who are gay and lesbian would still be. It's just who they are.


I agree. I am straight, but there are a couple of girlfriends of mine i would've happily turned lesbian for if given the choice! I have only ever sexually desired men, these basic primal urges can't be fooled can they?
you can't choose your orientation ... your sexuality depends on those whom you are attracted to ... you maybe attracted to men, women, animals ... and recently more japanes people are attracted to their dolls, with which they sleep next to them ;) but don't ever judge yourself to which you are attracted to ... learn to accept yourself ... b'coz you can't change that, IT'S WHO YOU ARE!
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I agree. I am straight, but there are a couple of girlfriends of mine i would've happily turned lesbian for if given the choice! I have only ever sexually desired men, these basic primal urges can't be fooled can they?


then you are bi-sexual or bi-curious (if you are curious of having sex with them) .... and yes, your primal urges can't be fooled!
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ROTFLMAO!


Your too, too much! How do you find all these, have you got a staff of researchers?
I'm actally crying with laughter now.
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then you are bi-sexual or bi-curious (if you are curious of having sex with them) .... and yes, your primal urges can't be fooled!


No, not curious about sex with them. I only meant that they are such lovely people inside and out that if I had any bisexual tendencies, I think they would've brought them out!
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No, not curious about sex with them. I only meant that they are such lovely people inside and out that if I had any bisexual tendencies, I think they would've brought them out!

That just shows how everbody should be, you see the person just for themself not for who they sleep with. If only everyone was like that what a better place it would be.
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No, not curious about sex with them. I only meant that they are such lovely people inside and out that if I had any bisexual tendencies, I think they would've brought them out!


that's beautiful!!!
We only choose the exact person we sleep with, but not the gender. that is what you are born with.