I just bought the book yesterday, I wanted to see what all of the hype was about. Frankly, the fact that this book was about BDSM totally took me by surprise.. I really wasn't expecting it but maintained an open mind while reading.. along with the fact that EL James insists on using the reference "cocks his/her head to the left" one too many times. I think she got a thrill out of saying cock so much honestly, and let's not forget the drawn out Dominant/Submissive contract that was lingered on for like eons. I am now on the 16th Chapter, when Christian visits Ana after her graduation and fucks her twice and just leaves her.. I can't help but feel enticed by Christian's character in a weird way, my curiosity for BDSM is definitely there even though I know I could never follow through with it and yet- I just feel so sad for Ana!
I don't particularly love the book, but I heard that there's a movie coming out for this book, supposedly Ryan Gosling and Alexis Bledel are being considered for the roles of Christian and Ana. I'd love to see the film, Ryan Gosling as a dark and mysterious billionaire with a haunting secret? Now that... THAT I do like ;)
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While away on holiday, I bought "50 shades of Mr Darcy" by "William Codpiece Thackery". I have to say I have never laughed so much in my life.
It's a parody crossover of 50 shades of Grey and Pride and Prejudice. Elizabeth Bennet becomes a clumsy heroine who thinks she isn't beautiful but others think she is hot. I was thinking "Wow Mr Thackery, got Ana's character/personality down pat for Elizabeth."
I do recommend it if you are a Jane Austen Fan or if you want to Laugh at 50 shades.
It's a parody crossover of 50 shades of Grey and Pride and Prejudice. Elizabeth Bennet becomes a clumsy heroine who thinks she isn't beautiful but others think she is hot. I was thinking "Wow Mr Thackery, got Ana's character/personality down pat for Elizabeth."
I do recommend it if you are a Jane Austen Fan or if you want to Laugh at 50 shades.
"Sexual pleasure in woman is a kind of magic spell; it demands complete abandon; if words or movements oppose the magic of caresses, the spell is broken."
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Personally I thought they skimped the lifestyle in this book, and it's more a vanilla lovestory about a dysfunctional man than anything else.
- How much does the dominant person really trully enjoys the inflicting pain in others? in the books he really needs to do this.
Ideal D/s relationships are harmonious. They don't work when you have one person who is a sadist, and another who fear masochism. There were a lot of things in this novel that fall under the topic: NEVER DO THIS IN A REAL D/s RELATIONSHIP. Things like forcing it to work if you are a sadist and the other person fears masochism; presenting a relationship contract to a virgin; entering a relationship with a dysfuctional person.
- Is it a normal thing to have a BDSM relationship without feelings involve? In the book he cares about his subs, but he doesnt have any feelings for them.
I seriously doubt it. Only on the professional / public play level. If you are a professional Domina who offers services for pay, then you have this professional aloofness for your clients. The same can be said if you engage in public "red rooms of pain", since you usually don't have a great deal of time to get to know your partner. But Christian Grey saying he had "zero" feelings for his ex-subs only serves to emphasise his dysfunctional psyche.
- Do you think a lot of people enter this lifestyle because of a painfull background and this is the only way to cope with reality?
I don't think there is a yes or no answer to this. I tend towards "no" - not because they have pain. I believe most enter it because they desire a higher intensity of sexual emotion and pleasure than other people do.
- What about the rules? he has some insane rules like never touching him unless ask to, or never seeing him in the eyes, never sleeping in the same bed... are this the normal rules?
There are no "normal" rules. The Dom makes them, the sub either agrees to them or disagrees to them. If the sub disagrees, then the Dom has the option to change them. The rules fit the couple. So what seems insane to you is perfectly acceptable to others. There are slave-subs who are not even allowed to sleep in a bed at all. Others are allowed, but don't want to, because they crave humility.
- Do you live by this rules all the time? i mean you never have a break from them? you never can just talk to the other person like you do in a (i know normal shouldnt be the word i say but is the only one i can think of) normal relationship?
Usually. Some rules are subject to change. Let's not forget that not only the sub has rules to live by, but so does the Dom. Some couples make the rules strict forever; other couples have "normal" lives and use the rules during "play time" (sexual play or contact). It all depends on what the Dom and the sub agree to.
- If you are a dominant and you see this girl or guy you want to take as a sub and that person is really not into the lifestyle do you try a relationship or no?
Well that depends on the person. I know a female person who has a female sub, a male Dom and a male vanilla boyfriend. How in the world she keeps them separated, I will never know, but I can send you a link to her blog.
- How much does the dominant person really trully enjoys the inflicting pain in others? in the books he really needs to do this.
Ideal D/s relationships are harmonious. They don't work when you have one person who is a sadist, and another who fear masochism. There were a lot of things in this novel that fall under the topic: NEVER DO THIS IN A REAL D/s RELATIONSHIP. Things like forcing it to work if you are a sadist and the other person fears masochism; presenting a relationship contract to a virgin; entering a relationship with a dysfuctional person.
- Is it a normal thing to have a BDSM relationship without feelings involve? In the book he cares about his subs, but he doesnt have any feelings for them.
I seriously doubt it. Only on the professional / public play level. If you are a professional Domina who offers services for pay, then you have this professional aloofness for your clients. The same can be said if you engage in public "red rooms of pain", since you usually don't have a great deal of time to get to know your partner. But Christian Grey saying he had "zero" feelings for his ex-subs only serves to emphasise his dysfunctional psyche.
- Do you think a lot of people enter this lifestyle because of a painfull background and this is the only way to cope with reality?
I don't think there is a yes or no answer to this. I tend towards "no" - not because they have pain. I believe most enter it because they desire a higher intensity of sexual emotion and pleasure than other people do.
- What about the rules? he has some insane rules like never touching him unless ask to, or never seeing him in the eyes, never sleeping in the same bed... are this the normal rules?
There are no "normal" rules. The Dom makes them, the sub either agrees to them or disagrees to them. If the sub disagrees, then the Dom has the option to change them. The rules fit the couple. So what seems insane to you is perfectly acceptable to others. There are slave-subs who are not even allowed to sleep in a bed at all. Others are allowed, but don't want to, because they crave humility.
- Do you live by this rules all the time? i mean you never have a break from them? you never can just talk to the other person like you do in a (i know normal shouldnt be the word i say but is the only one i can think of) normal relationship?
Usually. Some rules are subject to change. Let's not forget that not only the sub has rules to live by, but so does the Dom. Some couples make the rules strict forever; other couples have "normal" lives and use the rules during "play time" (sexual play or contact). It all depends on what the Dom and the sub agree to.
- If you are a dominant and you see this girl or guy you want to take as a sub and that person is really not into the lifestyle do you try a relationship or no?
Well that depends on the person. I know a female person who has a female sub, a male Dom and a male vanilla boyfriend. How in the world she keeps them separated, I will never know, but I can send you a link to her blog.
Si vos postulo me, sed non vis me, oportet me manere.
Sed si vis me, sed non vos postulo me, oportet me abire.
Sed si vis me, sed non vos postulo me, oportet me abire.
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For all you fifty shades fans, she's brought out the collection of toys.
I know I won't be buying them, but some may like them. It just seems a bit too over the top even compared to twilight (twilight dildo and condoms) but I know some of you are going to like them.
I know I won't be buying them, but some may like them. It just seems a bit too over the top even compared to twilight (twilight dildo and condoms) but I know some of you are going to like them.
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I attend a "fetish" night event where people who are into the sexual deprived world attend or lets say people who like to be unconventional in the words of Dr. Frankenfurter "Unconventional conventionalists".
(It's light BDSM, they have the rack/a St Andrews cross where people can go to be whipped or spanked in a public setting) there is many Dom/Sub couples that do attend.
Then there is the gimps, the leather lovers, transexuals, costume lovers, lingere wears including corsetso, cosplayers (though they are slowly being introduced) and the ones who wear next to nothing attend. It's mainly a night club with people who are happy to be themsleves without others judging.
I see that someone else has mentioned it on here "Hellfire club".
Anyway on the FB page of Hellfire last month they made a little warning since 50 shades came out there might be some new people coming and to be welcoming to the newbies. I unfortunatly didn't go that particular night because my periods decided to flow heavy that particular night. Curse being a woman.
What can I saw I guess if people went to Hellfire because of the book to witness people getting whipped or paddled first hand I guess it would be a shock.
Though shame to say Hellfire isn't the same as it used to be since some ladies that go complained that they didn't want to see cocks out on display. It is one thing to complain that a guy is touching you without permission.
However to complain that a guy has his cock out and you don't want to see it because it bothers you. Hello you are the one with the G-string on with your butt cheeks hanging out or you have your tits out on display (yes even with the nips showing) it's kind of a double standard.
And yes I'm a chick lol. Just want to say I have seen a middle aged dude with a cock and balls strap at the club once. To see his cock restrained while he had a hard on it was amazing....
Oh wait this was about Fifty Shades of Grey. Haha here I go talking without thinking lol.
(It's light BDSM, they have the rack/a St Andrews cross where people can go to be whipped or spanked in a public setting) there is many Dom/Sub couples that do attend.
Then there is the gimps, the leather lovers, transexuals, costume lovers, lingere wears including corsetso, cosplayers (though they are slowly being introduced) and the ones who wear next to nothing attend. It's mainly a night club with people who are happy to be themsleves without others judging.
I see that someone else has mentioned it on here "Hellfire club".
Anyway on the FB page of Hellfire last month they made a little warning since 50 shades came out there might be some new people coming and to be welcoming to the newbies. I unfortunatly didn't go that particular night because my periods decided to flow heavy that particular night. Curse being a woman.
What can I saw I guess if people went to Hellfire because of the book to witness people getting whipped or paddled first hand I guess it would be a shock.
Though shame to say Hellfire isn't the same as it used to be since some ladies that go complained that they didn't want to see cocks out on display. It is one thing to complain that a guy is touching you without permission.
However to complain that a guy has his cock out and you don't want to see it because it bothers you. Hello you are the one with the G-string on with your butt cheeks hanging out or you have your tits out on display (yes even with the nips showing) it's kind of a double standard.
And yes I'm a chick lol. Just want to say I have seen a middle aged dude with a cock and balls strap at the club once. To see his cock restrained while he had a hard on it was amazing....
Oh wait this was about Fifty Shades of Grey. Haha here I go talking without thinking lol.
"Sexual pleasure in woman is a kind of magic spell; it demands complete abandon; if words or movements oppose the magic of caresses, the spell is broken."
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Quote by MarySweets
I attend a "fetish" night event where people who are into the sexual deprived world attend or lets say people who like to be unconventional in the words of Dr. Frankenfurter "Unconventional conventionalists".
(It's light BDSM, they have the rack/a St Andrews cross where people can go to be whipped or spanked in a public setting) there is many Dom/Sub couples that do attend.
Then there is the gimps, the leather lovers, transexuals, costume lovers, lingere wears including corsetso, cosplayers (though they are slowly being introduced) and the ones who wear next to nothing attend. It's mainly a night club with people who are happy to be themsleves without others judging.
I see that someone else has mentioned it on here "Hellfire club".
Anyway on the FB page of Hellfire last month they made a little warning since 50 shades came out there might be some new people coming and to be welcoming to the newbies. I unfortunatly didn't go that particular night because my periods decided to flow heavy that particular night. Curse being a woman.
What can I saw I guess if people went to Hellfire because of the book to witness people getting whipped or paddled first hand I guess it would be a shock.
Though shame to say Hellfire isn't the same as it used to be since some ladies that go complained that they didn't want to see cocks out on display. It is one thing to complain that a guy is touching you without permission.
However to complain that a guy has his cock out and you don't want to see it because it bothers you. Hello you are the one with the G-string on with your butt cheeks hanging out or you have your tits out on display (yes even with the nips showing) it's kind of a double standard.
And yes I'm a chick lol. Just want to say I have seen a middle aged dude with a cock and balls strap at the club once. To see his cock restrained while he had a hard on it was amazing....
Oh wait this was about Fifty Shades of Grey. Haha here I go talking without thinking lol.
I think the guys should complain and get them to cover up and see how they like it.
You started on 50 shades......
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Hee hee, Off topic but I guess your handle is after a certain anime character ;)
"Sexual pleasure in woman is a kind of magic spell; it demands complete abandon; if words or movements oppose the magic of caresses, the spell is broken."
Simone de Beauvoir
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Hee hee, Off topic but I guess your handle is after a certain anime character ;)
Not really, my avatar pictures on other accounts however is based off a game character.
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Cheeky Chick
I had no desire to read these books at first but the more I heard about them the more I wanted to see what the fuss was all about.. So, I bought them and began to read them.. I think the BDSM aspect of these books are sick.. It is stupid to say what CG is into is a BDSM lifestyle.. What he is, Is NOT a Dom/Master.. He has issues and is simply broken. Clearly not fixable since it took beating on women to make himself feel better. I do like the concept of the books in away. I don't like how something bad was always going on. Every other page they were in danger and the other page was them having sex. They can make it a bit more real then that. But, I did finish them, and will more then likely watch the movie"s" if they make them.
But to me Fifty Shades of Grey is NOT at all a good example of BDSM.
But to me Fifty Shades of Grey is NOT at all a good example of BDSM.
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Sorry ladies buy I am just a mere male and an older one at that.
I loved all three books my wife got really p'd of with my reading them all but I found them really engaging ok some a bit ?
Overall a great love story and a few great ideas just need to be a little imaginative, the pictures in my book "Head" were great but then I do have one of those minds "according again to my wife one track and that is dirt-track" hey well after 37 years married and knowing each other for nigh on 60 she should know me by now.
Sexy book for me.
I loved all three books my wife got really p'd of with my reading them all but I found them really engaging ok some a bit ?
Overall a great love story and a few great ideas just need to be a little imaginative, the pictures in my book "Head" were great but then I do have one of those minds "according again to my wife one track and that is dirt-track" hey well after 37 years married and knowing each other for nigh on 60 she should know me by now.
Sexy book for me.
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I read the first two books and actually found they were not bad for a little pass time, though I would never call the story a BDSM one- only one or two sex scenes are interesting. I liked the book as an easy read and a cute love story
Cock Connoisseur
Why can't this book just be enjoyed as a work of fiction, nothing more. I loved the series as I stated before in this thread. Is it a BDSM guide or bible? No it is not. It is nothing more than reading for fun and enjoyment. Lets not analyze this to death, this is like beating a dead horse lol.
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But this site is good at that or they wouldn't have an emoticon for it. 
If you have read 50 Shades of Gray and think that you are ready to be a dom or a sub. Then you have a lot to learn.
Follow my slave's blog slave skye's real life blog if we can get 100 followers she is going to start posting pictures!!! I know there are at least 100 of you that want to see that click the link enter your email and follow. We hit 100 then she has said she will post a picture of herself.
Follow my slave's blog slave skye's real life blog if we can get 100 followers she is going to start posting pictures!!! I know there are at least 100 of you that want to see that click the link enter your email and follow. We hit 100 then she has said she will post a picture of herself.
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I've just finished reading the 3rd book in the series and I have to say they wouldnt usually be my kind of books but they're actually really good. They're like an erotic story combined with a love story and comedy. Worth a read in my opinion.
My wife couldn't put it down after I upload the ebook to her reader.
Last week I went on a business trip and decided to read it as well - some repetitive themes in it that don't really reflect real emotions but I had to read all three books almost nonstop, and not for sex but for the love and emotion that oozed from the pages. Maybe |I'm just going soft in the head but I thought it was a darn good yarn.
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You want an answer now??
Laters!
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Got bored with the first book by the elevator scene. Couldn't see what the fuss was about
I think people have very strict, specific or absolute opinions of what BDSM is - to some, Grey is extreme . . . to other's, he's vanilla.
*shrug* - it is whatever it is. I'm sure there's a vast difference between real couples who are in BDSM relationships if you were to interview them about what they do, how they feel, and why they do it. I was a submissive to my ex husband and it was nothing at all like what others are involved with, apparently.
I suppose that means it's subjective.
What I refuse to do is consider anything that involves bondage, flogging and deprivation of some sort to be 'vanilla' - it might not be BDSM but it's most certainly not simple, basic sex. We use to call things 'kink' or 'rough sex' and even just 'adventurous fun' back in the day
I think people are losing touch on those 'in between' concepts a little.
On that note - I have no clue if I want to see the movies or not. I had a hard time with some of the sex in the books, and I'm not sure the elements I did like are going to be in the movie at all.
I don't like fake/acted porn - so I think I'm going to end up watching it, and odds are I won't like it - but will at least be able to say why not.
What I am looking forward to is the public response - will they riot and boycott ;) I imagine I"ll have to travel into the city to watch it.
*shrug* - it is whatever it is. I'm sure there's a vast difference between real couples who are in BDSM relationships if you were to interview them about what they do, how they feel, and why they do it. I was a submissive to my ex husband and it was nothing at all like what others are involved with, apparently.
I suppose that means it's subjective.
What I refuse to do is consider anything that involves bondage, flogging and deprivation of some sort to be 'vanilla' - it might not be BDSM but it's most certainly not simple, basic sex. We use to call things 'kink' or 'rough sex' and even just 'adventurous fun' back in the day
I think people are losing touch on those 'in between' concepts a little.On that note - I have no clue if I want to see the movies or not. I had a hard time with some of the sex in the books, and I'm not sure the elements I did like are going to be in the movie at all.
I don't like fake/acted porn - so I think I'm going to end up watching it, and odds are I won't like it - but will at least be able to say why not.
What I am looking forward to is the public response - will they riot and boycott ;) I imagine I"ll have to travel into the city to watch it.
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Quote by horny_girl_in_need
I've just finished reading the 3rd book in the series and I have to say they wouldnt usually be my kind of books but they're actually really good. They're like an erotic story combined with a love story and comedy. Worth a read in my opinion.
I haven't read it nor will I, but I have reaped the benefits of Wench's reading of it. I love the new mixes of sexual encounters we have taken part in since and how she is so in touch with her sexuality now compared to years ago.
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I believe that though 50 shades doesn't really represent the lifestyle in most cases that it is a good book. I'm not saying it's Jane Austin, but its something above crap that people like to read now and then. Also, I wish people know what they are getting into when they want to enter the lifestyle.
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This is the topic that doesn't end.
And it goes on and on dear friends.
One person started writing it because of what it was.
And people kept responding forever just because.
This is the topic that doesn't end......
And it goes on and on dear friends.
One person started writing it because of what it was.
And people kept responding forever just because.
This is the topic that doesn't end......
If you have read 50 Shades of Gray and think that you are ready to be a dom or a sub. Then you have a lot to learn.
Follow my slave's blog slave skye's real life blog if we can get 100 followers she is going to start posting pictures!!! I know there are at least 100 of you that want to see that click the link enter your email and follow. We hit 100 then she has said she will post a picture of herself.
Follow my slave's blog slave skye's real life blog if we can get 100 followers she is going to start posting pictures!!! I know there are at least 100 of you that want to see that click the link enter your email and follow. We hit 100 then she has said she will post a picture of herself.
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Quote by ProfessionalMaster
This is the topic that doesn't end.
And it goes on and on dear friends.
One person started writing it because of what it was.
And people kept responding forever just because.
This is the topic that doesn't end......
Why should it have to end? For some the books were just good entertainment. As I posted before in this thread I enjoyed all 3 books. No reason why this as a work of fiction can't be enjoyed or disliked and discussed like any other topic or book might be on here. Just my opinion of course.
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I'm excited to read ;)
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Quote by PhareDuFour
Personally I thought they skimped the lifestyle in this book, and it's more a vanilla lovestory about a dysfunctional man than anything else.
- How much does the dominant person really trully enjoys the inflicting pain in others? in the books he really needs to do this.
Ideal D/s relationships are harmonious. They don't work when you have one person who is a sadist, and another who fear masochism. There were a lot of things in this novel that fall under the topic: NEVER DO THIS IN A REAL D/s RELATIONSHIP. Things like forcing it to work if you are a sadist and the other person fears masochism; presenting a relationship contract to a virgin; entering a relationship with a dysfuctional person.
- Is it a normal thing to have a BDSM relationship without feelings involve? In the book he cares about his subs, but he doesnt have any feelings for them.
I seriously doubt it. Only on the professional / public play level. If you are a professional Domina who offers services for pay, then you have this professional aloofness for your clients. The same can be said if you engage in public "red rooms of pain", since you usually don't have a great deal of time to get to know your partner. But Christian Grey saying he had "zero" feelings for his ex-subs only serves to emphasise his dysfunctional psyche.
- Do you think a lot of people enter this lifestyle because of a painfull background and this is the only way to cope with reality?
I don't think there is a yes or no answer to this. I tend towards "no" - not because they have pain. I believe most enter it because they desire a higher intensity of sexual emotion and pleasure than other people do.
- What about the rules? he has some insane rules like never touching him unless ask to, or never seeing him in the eyes, never sleeping in the same bed... are this the normal rules?
There are no "normal" rules. The Dom makes them, the sub either agrees to them or disagrees to them. If the sub disagrees, then the Dom has the option to change them. The rules fit the couple. So what seems insane to you is perfectly acceptable to others. There are slave-subs who are not even allowed to sleep in a bed at all. Others are allowed, but don't want to, because they crave humility.
- Do you live by this rules all the time? i mean you never have a break from them? you never can just talk to the other person like you do in a (i know normal shouldnt be the word i say but is the only one i can think of) normal relationship?
Usually. Some rules are subject to change. Let's not forget that not only the sub has rules to live by, but so does the Dom. Some couples make the rules strict forever; other couples have "normal" lives and use the rules during "play time" (sexual play or contact). It all depends on what the Dom and the sub agree to.
- If you are a dominant and you see this girl or guy you want to take as a sub and that person is really not into the lifestyle do you try a relationship or no?
Well that depends on the person. I know a female person who has a female sub, a male Dom and a male vanilla boyfriend. How in the world she keeps them separated, I will never know, but I can send you a link to her blog.
This is closer to the truth than all the other replys on here. I have been in the lifestyle since 1976 and believe I know a lot of it but everyone is different
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Quote by Ravyn
Why should it have to end? For some the books were just good entertainment. As I posted before in this thread I enjoyed all 3 books. No reason why this as a work of fiction can't be enjoyed or disliked and discussed like any other topic or book might be on here. Just my opinion of course.
I totally agree Sandy
Prolific Writer
I just saw the movie today on HBO and I really liked it.
I thought it was really good. I may go and read the books to see what happens next.
Hugs,
Mysteria
xo
I thought it was really good. I may go and read the books to see what happens next.
Hugs,
Mysteria
xo
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I haven't watched the movie as from what I seen in the trailer the acting is so wooden and Anastasia looks to old to be 21. Plus it is directed by a middle aged craddlesnatcher so ...
Unicorn Wrangler
I read the books, but I haven't seen the movie... yet. Now that it's on HBO I just might watch it. My issue with the books isn't the BDSM elements... it was the piss poor character development. Christian is an immature petulant ass who is spoiled and must always have his way. Ana is a spineless wimp who can't stand up for herself for shit, let's Christian call the shots, and is made to fell like shit when she tries to do things her way.
I get she's madly in love with him and he falls for her as well, but really, it takes both of them three books to somewhat evolve... and I stress the somewhat. He might be amazing in business, but he sucks in personal relations. I get he was abused before he was adopted, I get he was taken advantage of by an older woman, but for fuck's sake... if he really loves this woman (Ana), then he should have pulled his head out of his ass way sooner than he does. No woman likes to be treated like a child ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Yet... she accepts this as normal.
There is a huge difference between role-play, BDSM sex play, and being hell bent on being a petulant, immature asshole. Maybe if Ms. James had done a bit more with her character development, people wouldn't trash her writing so much.
I get she's madly in love with him and he falls for her as well, but really, it takes both of them three books to somewhat evolve... and I stress the somewhat. He might be amazing in business, but he sucks in personal relations. I get he was abused before he was adopted, I get he was taken advantage of by an older woman, but for fuck's sake... if he really loves this woman (Ana), then he should have pulled his head out of his ass way sooner than he does. No woman likes to be treated like a child ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Yet... she accepts this as normal.
There is a huge difference between role-play, BDSM sex play, and being hell bent on being a petulant, immature asshole. Maybe if Ms. James had done a bit more with her character development, people wouldn't trash her writing so much.
