What sports do you think should be in the Olympics?

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Haha...

Finally... someone wants to debate me on fighting!!

Most powerful styles of martial arts? You have to be joking.

I would love to see a Tae Kwon Do "expert" try and fight a wrestler. TKD only works if your opponent is playing by the same rules. It's a cheesy point-fighting martial art that has almost zero applicability when it comes to actual fighting.

Please excuse me if I'm not "reassured" by your claims. I'll be waiting on pins and needles to hear about the next time you actually win a fight using Tae Kwon Do....

If you want to continue this line of discussion, then I suggest that you learn a bit more about actual fighting beyond your latest cardio kickboxing class.

Haha... "powerful"?? That's awesome. Please let me know... does all your knowledge of fighting come from 1980s action movies?

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Old school MMA actually allowed soccer kicks and head stomps. Those prevent Jiu Jitsu specialists from constantly pulling guard, which is why most MMA fighters actually favor them. The general public just doesn't feel comfortable with head kicks on the ground.

I would love to see one TKD specialist try and defend a takedown from even a high school wrestler....

Now if the TKD fighter had some wrestling and could defend a takedown, then he/she might have a chance.

If you're talking about cheap shots and groin strikes, eye gouges, etc... then it's a different issue. And TKD would probably do a lot worse in those situations than they would a controlled fighting environment. It's just not a martial art that lends itself to actual fighting situations. I did karate for 10 years and I feel karate is quite bad when it comes to actual fighting.

And Tae Kwon Do is far worse that karate.

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Haha what a douchey response.

Powerful means powerful. TKD requires extreme control and power which makes it incredibly difficult and beautiful.

Also, I know you patronisingly deciding I don’t know anything about fighting is so cute. I concede that an MMA fighter would probably be a lot more effective at immobilizing a target but you’ll notice that wasn’t what I initially argued.

Please let me know if your ability to read kicks in.

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Okay so you know who won the first ultimate fighting championship right? With an asterisk because second place broke his hand (which goes back to your point about real fighting not lending itself to short form, hence the structure change of it) but in the first UFC if that Dutch karate master didn’t break his hand and fracture his foot on the Sumo’s head... who knows if gracie would have won that. Gracie beat an injured man and then won subsequent UFCs after rule changes after the brutality and injuries sustained in the first one.

It’s the rule changes that favored the grapplers over strikers after that that made the ufc realize that real nights out fighting was too much for mass audiences and - advertisers especially - too real and violent to digest and have fun with by mainstream audiences.

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All martial arts are like that though. They only work if everyone follows the rules. A wrestler would fuck themselves up if attempting to grapple someone on the street. Like paisa fighting would win in that instance. Like someone’s primo would just kick the wrestler in the head. Honestly, TKD’s ability to land a sucker kick in some random confrontation might take out a wrestler before the wrestler even knows a fight is happening. In Bruce Lee’s book about fighting he states that the number one thing to do in a real fight is to kick in the balls and gouge out your opponent’s eyes. Both of which are illegal in any type of competitive fighting.

Wrestlers tend to shoot for legs and a lot of the time the opponent is able to step back and avoid this attack. If the rules didn’t prohibit the wrestlers opponent to kick the brains out of his head while he’s on the ground the fight would be over pretty quickly. If anything MMA rules protect wrestlers more than other fighters.

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I did watch the first UFC. Numerous times. In fact I've watched every UFC fight from UFC 1 up to the modern day. Many of the fights I've seen numerous times.

Girard Gardeau was a 6 foot 6 kickboxer. He lost to a 5'9 165 lb BJJ guy with no wrestling experience. And he was a Dutch style kickboxer, which is far more effective than taekwondo. (Side note: muay thai is the most effective form of kickboxing when it comes to actual fighting).

The rules do not favor grapplers. Fighters are stood up all the time nowadays because the crowds favor flashy stuff.

I'm not sure what your argument is.... I'm assuming that you have some relationship with princessC and you've chosen to defend her. If that's the case let me know. If this is actually a topic that feel strongly about, then let me know... and then we can tangle.

Like I said, I've been trying to start MMA threads since 2010 so if you feel like you have an opinion in opposition to mine I welcome it with open arms.

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If MMA did make it into the Olympics, and I'd like to see it happen, I'm sure they'd make the fighters wear those amateur boxing helmets to add to those MMA gloves.


Getting into a real fight on the street with a stranger, in a bar, parking lot, wherever, is pretty scary really. You never know what skills the other person knows. You don't know if they have a weapon on them and if so, will they know how to use it effectively. In real fighting there are no rules. I've seen small guys beat the hell out of much larger, very well muscled and athletic guys and vice versa. A real fight is a good way to get killed. If your life depends on it, hell yes, hit the guy in the balls and poke and gouge his eyes, then get the hell out of there.

I've used Tae Kwon Do in a real fight but certainly not exclusively. Everything else I've learned from boxing to Judo a self-defense class (that taught all kinds of good dirty tricks and moves) to what I've seen, and to past fights, all kick in. And seriously, it's best to just leave. Save fighting to a time when you're cornered and can't get away or you have to defend someone else. Fighting will get you killed.

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I think that my ability to read is just fine... Your ability to take a joke however...

I literally wrote 6 words and you took personal offence. You could have just let it go but now you are going to have to defend your stance if you want this charade to continue.

Tell me again? What does "powerful" mean?

I am completely willing and very much more than able to engage in this topic.... and like I previously stated, I've been waiting for someone to debate me on on anything fight related. But if this is all just because I hurt your feelings... I suggest you walk away now if you can't back yourself up with actual knowledge.

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She really needs no defending, bud.

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It actually used to be in the rules to drop knees and throw head kicks to a grounded opponent.

I'm still trying to figure out whether you are actually defending a stance that you hold, or are just playing hero to a girl you like. Either way is cool. Just let me know so I can adjust my comments accordingly.

If anyone that is a fan of tae kwon do, then check out John Makdessi. Probably the best TKD practitioner to compete in the UFC.

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Lol I wouldn’t have “haha”-ed if I was so offended. I was just saying it’s cultural and powerful and should be respected even if it’s not your cuppa.

“pow•er•ful (ˈpaʊ ər fəl)

adj.
1. having or exerting great power or force.
2. physically strong, as a person.
3. potent; efficacious: a powerful drug.
4. having great power, authority, or influence; mighty.”

I mean, none of it means it’s better than the MMA stuff you’re so wet for which I’m sure you know.

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I simply said it was a worthless martial art. You are the one that chose to make a huge deal of it. Next time just be happy that you can drop the kids off at day care and go have some some 25 year old "gluten free" "martial arts" expert show you how to kick a heavy bag for 90 bucks an hour.

The first time you get punched in the face, give me a call. Otherwise, please don't waste my time.

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your mama's worthless. and she can't kick worth shit. also, you smell like poo. *high fives self* I AM ON FIRE!

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It actually used to be in the rules to drop knees and throw head kicks to a grounded opponent.

I'm still trying to figure out whether you are actually defending a stance that you hold, or are just playing hero to a girl you like. Either way is cool. Just let me know so I can adjust my comments accordingly.

If anyone that is a fan of tae kwon do, then check out John Makdessi. Probably the best TKD practitioner to compete in the UFC.

Awww why did you delete all the stuff where you call me a white knight and a beta male and that I must have only dared to post because princessC might send me pussy pictures and your awesome argument of "you're just wrong"?

Look...

I don't recall being ugly in any of my posts. You started with that.

You embarrassingly pounded your chest about being a fighting expert and that no one could possibly debate you about it but that you welcome it, and then when I did you go and focus on all this downright cringy beta male nonsense. Wish I would have quoted you earlier before you came to your senses.

You want to know who the only other people here who quote me and hit post before they respond then edit their post so that it doesn't show up in my timeline? Wellmademale and Trinket.

You're being trinket right now.

You went off about rules and actual fighting and I simply pointed out that wrestlers and grapplers are definitely not at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC rules. In fact, it's the opposite because you can't kick them while they'll rolling around and you can't bite or break their fingers or gauge out their eyes or squeeze their balls when they do get ahold of you. It's like if there was a rule that grapplers couldn't try to grab your legs. That would put strikers at an advantage.

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I simply said it was a worthless martial art. You are the one that chose to make a huge deal of it. Next time just be happy that you can drop the kids off at day care and go have some some 25 year old "gluten free" "martial arts" expert show you how to kick a heavy bag for 90 bucks an hour.

The first time you get punched in the face, give me a call. Otherwise, please don't waste my time.

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Awww why did you delete all the stuff where you call me a white knight and a beta male and that I must have only dared to post because princessC might send me pussy pictures and your awesome argument of "you're just wrong"?
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No pussy, maybe an ass cheek.

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It’s a huge deal. I live to come on lush so I can argue with a complete stranger about his dumbass posts. I’m also really desperate to know why I’m dropping kids off I don’t have. Also, I’m 25 and gluten free so does that mean that I’m the expert? These are questions I need you to answer.

I love these exchanges with you.

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You went off about rules and actual fighting and I simply pointed out that wrestlers and grapplers are definitely not at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC rules. In fact, it's the opposite because you can't kick them while they'll rolling around and you can't bite or break their fingers or gauge out their eyes or squeeze their balls when they do get ahold of you. It's like if there was a rule that grapplers couldn't try to grab your legs. That would put strikers at an advantage.

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Then I'll see you in the think tank, princess..

If you want to talk shit then step out of the kiddy pool.

I'm sure we're all waiting on pins and needles to hear your thoughts on how the chemicals in yoga mats are giving us cancer, or how the harvesting of rhinoceros horn is "good for the economy."

Maybe rhinoceros hunting should be an Olympic sport? (Just to bring it back around to the actual topic.)

Because this is what this whole thing is about right? I made an off-handed comment about Tae Kwon Do and you said to yourself...

"Hey, I took a "tae kwon what" class once and I felt "powerful"... so I diddled myself to my instructor and imagined myself in a 1980's action movie, so I'm going to start an argument with complete stranger who obviously knows 10000% more than I do!!!

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What exactly is your point? That eye gauging or finger biting are effective? Of course they are. So is pulling out a gun or a knife. All of those are not allowed.

But every human being on earth has the ability to do that. Martial arts are about doing what other people can't do.

What are we arguing now? That TKD is an effective martial art? It's been objectively shown to be not an effective fighting style.

And yes, grapplers are put at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC.

If you watch UFC 7-20 you see what happens when there are no stand ups and no time limits. A wrestler takes the other guy down and mauls him for 40 minutes. It's not exactly crowd pleasing. So they changed the rules.

I am perfectly willing to engage in this topic, but please do your research. This isn't an opinion based argument. You can't rely on sophistry to make your point.

You can call it "chest beating", but you're honestly just barking from a much lower level of knowledge with regards to this particular subject.

I'm sure that you are more knowledgeable that me in some things.

This isn't one of those things.

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I’d step out of the kiddy pool but your arguments are so childish I need it as a translation medium.

Rhinos? Did you just say to yourself “hey this chick is from Africa so let me speak about an animal I’ve never seen in a country I’ve never been to”. I don’t talk about maple trees and moose, stick to your lane.

Also, my instructor was hot as fuck so I’d thank you not to hold my habits against me. I thought lush was against sexual shaming. I mean I think it’s ridiculous that you care so much about a sport that you’d spend all your time arguing but then I don’t shame you for wanking into your jock strap.

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I’d step out of the kiddy pool but your arguments are so childish I need it as a translation medium.

Rhinos? Did you just say to yourself “hey this chick is from Africa so let me speak about an animal I’ve never seen in a country I’ve never been to”. I don’t talk about maple trees and moose, stick to your lane.

Also, my instructor was hot as fuck so I’d thank you not to hold my habits against me. I thought lush was against sexual shaming. I mean I think it’s ridiculous that you care so much about a sport that you’d spend all your time arguing but then I don’t shame you for wanking into your jock strap.