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RumpleForeskin
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dpw
Active Ink Slinger
Quote by Possibly


Your point and RR's point are well taken. My take away from this is that it is important to establish expectations up front. There was no 'acknowledgement of editing' requirement discussed up front. The act was a favor.

I've done editing for friends and a simple thanks sufficed.
I'm editing now for a dyslexic friend who wanted me to publish it, which I refuse to do.
For another, it was heavily edited and the whole of the sex scene was mine but he got the idea. His next one was just grammar and spelling corrections.
That is the only reason I do it. There are people with a story to tell and if I can help then I will.
AltaBrwnSgr
Brown Sugar
Quote by dpw

I've done editing for friends and a simple thanks sufficed.
I'm editing now for a dyslexic friend who wanted me to publish it, which I refuse to do.
For another, it was heavily edited and the whole of the sex scene was mine but he got the idea. His next one was just grammar and spelling corrections.
That is the only reason I do it. There are people with a story to tell and if I can help then I will.


I've edited for others here on Lush too. After one guy published a story, I didn't get a "thank you" in a PM, wall post, online message...just nothing. I was a little hurt, but that's okay. He's still a friend. I still chat with him. I help because I choose to do so when I have the time, and it helps me become a better writer.

I'm with you, Derek. If I can help, I will.
Unknown User
I offer to edit for friends and occasionally a writer that I see potential in but needs some help. Rarely get taken up on it so far but a private thanks will be enough for me. If they acknowledge me publicly, that's gravy.
Magical_felix
Wild at Heart
Quote by overmykneenow


I remember a few months ago there was a few days without any RRs being given out. Being a nosey numbers geek I went back through the list and noticed that only two stories been given RR from the most recent 150 or so - both had been written by mods, in fact the only ones written by mods. Actually, one of them was by you! Both of them were fully deserving of the RR but my point is were none of the others? I'll admit I didn't read all the others but it strikes me that even the most casual of observers might have thought something was awry with that particular situation.



Maybe you should crunch some numbers and figure out how much more time you could be spending actually having a life rather than being a shithead-boob worried about other writer's accolades.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Holy shit. When I went to bed last night there were three posts in the thread (two of them mine).

I'm glad I started the thread as it seems to have generated some discussion and exchange of ideas, and that is all to the good.

Let me see if I can address a few issued raised. And I'm afraid I'm going to have to do it with multiple replies. I'm sure there's a way to do it all in one, but I'm too computer illiterate to know how to do that.
Magical_felix
Wild at Heart
Quote by bethalia
Holy shit. When I went to bed last night there were three posts in the thread (two of them mine).

I'm glad I started the thread as it seems to have generated some discussion and exchange of ideas, and that is all to the good.



What, you looking for some kind of shout-out or credit now?

Please.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by overmykneenow


Have you ever offered your services as a story verifier? Don't wait to be asked, volunteer. That said, they may be inclined not to add you after that little outburst.

The system of RRs is imperfect but has improved a lot since it was introduced and has moved on from simply being a form of promotion for mods and their author friends.

There are advantages and disadvantages associated with your sex on this site but in all the time I've been here I've not seen it in the critical appreciation of good stories. There's always been an imbalance amongst verifiers but I think that's more down to men being too busy getting their jollies to do anything useful.

One final point I'd make - how often do you see editors getting a credit in fiction?


Thank you for the response, omkn.

I don't really have any interest in verifying or moderating. (Besides, now I've posted something that is in a very small way critical of the site - and to me the issue is not a particularly big deal. I hadn't thought of it, but I think I'll be interested to see what reaction there might be. You know, just how thin- or thick-skinned are the folks who run the site? Do I become persona non-grata or someone the site people can address with a 'yeah, we'll give that some consideration' - whether they actually do or not?) Anyway, I like editing because of the teaching function involved, which I enjoy very much. And being able to provide writers with authoritative review, correction, and advice is a contribution I can make and I'm willing to do that (although less willing and more cautious after this experience).

About editors getting acknowledgement. I've never read a book in which the editor didn't. Every book I've ever read has an acknowledgements section either before or after the text, and the editor who helped the author shape their story is always acknowledged (and usually profusely thanked).
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Liz


Which it never has been.

I don't know if you were deliberately trying to insult the site and its moderating team, but you've managed it in a single sentence.

It may seem like a throwaway, thoughtless statement, but you imply favouritism and therefore unfairness. That has never been the case.


Okay. Well, that answers my question from my last post - thin-skinned all the way.

Really, Liz, I can suggest that perhaps it might be a good idea to give criticism at least a bit of thought and consideration. A knee-jerk defensive reaction is both unproductive and unbecoming (terribly Dick Cheney-ish).

I understand you would like to run the perfect site, and in the universe of free-access erotic story sites Lush stands out in a very positive way. It's a quality site. But people get very close to what they do, so close that often realistically perceiving what they do can be a problem. That's why outside perspectives can be valuable, and the poster to whom you responded with this brought up an objection in a respectful and constructive way. Rather than rejecting it out of hand perhaps give it some open-minded consideration.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Milik_Redman


I invite you to have a look at my profile page. In five years I've been awarded 8 EP's (three are now part of my ebook and are hidden) and probably as many RR's. I can name Frank Lee, Buz Bono and Jaymal who are equally recognized and we are all men.

If you want to stand out, it takes more than perfect grammar and punctuation, indeed, that isn't even a strength of mine. What it takes is a story that is creatively different and meaningful than what is normally seen. I'm afraid that arguing that having a penis somehow detracts from your ability just doesn't pass the smell test.


Thank you for the contribution, MR.

I can only speak to my own experiences, not yours.

Obviously a story takes more than grammar, usage, and punctuation. I'm quite proud of my stories (both here and elsewhere) because through many years of study and practice I've learned to write interesting characters who grow and develop, plots that hold together well, how to paint settings and moods, and how to develop a story thematically.

And I've sent some of those stories to Lush. Again, I can only speak to my own experiences, and the only conclusion I can reach based on those experiences here is that I don't have a vagina.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by overmykneenow


I remember a few months ago there was a few days without any RRs being given out. Being a nosey numbers geek I went back through the list and noticed that only two stories been given RR from the most recent 150 or so - both had been written by mods, in fact the only ones written by mods. Actually, one of them was by you! Both of them were fully deserving of the RR but my point is were none of the others? I'll admit I didn't read all the others but it strikes me that even the most casual of observers might have thought something was awry with that particular situation.

Now as i've said the situation has improved, I've noticed more authors I've never heard of getting RRs but I stand by what I said before in saying that the system is imperfect and until we all turn into emotionless robots it probably always will be.


I can't say I've studied the issue with the precision you have, omkn. But since I joined I specifically remember at some point thinking, 'Geez, these moderators and verifiers sure do give each other those thumbs-up things a heck of a lot.'
Liz
Scarlet Seductress
And here I thought you were going to come in here and apologise to 'Possibly' for overreacting.

All this because an author forgot to put your name on the bottom of a story? How old are you?
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Magical_felix


What, you looking for some kind of shout-out or credit now?

Please.


Given your two posts in this thread, you don't have much (or anything) to say that's positive or constructive.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Liz
And here I thought you were going to come in here and apologise to 'Possibly' for overreacting.

All this because an author forgot to put your name on the bottom of a story? How old are you?


Okay. Well, so much for the perhaps-try-not-to-have-a-kneejerk-reaction-and-instead-give-respectfully-delivered-outside-criticism-careful-consideration-with-an-open-mind thing.

I guess that's not going to fly.
Magical_felix
Wild at Heart
Quote by bethalia


Given your two posts in this thread, you don't have much (or anything) to say that's positive or constructive.


Because this thread is ridiculous. To put it simply, you are just upset that the person you edited a story for got a RR and you have not received one - that's the reason you're bitching - You then stated how much work her punctuation needed and that you changed her whole ending, trying to make her sound incompetent if it weren't for you just because she was recognized and you were not. Why do that to her, just because she received a RR and you haven't? You sound like an asshole. Especially when you say that it must be because she has a vagina. Maybe her story ideas are just better than yours and anyone could have helped her with editing and it would have received an RR anyway. Maybe you should have just asked her why she didn't credit you (if that's the reason you helped her) instead of embarrassing her here.

Again, you're being an asshole...and you expect positivity in return?
Milik_the_Red
Internet Philosopher
Quote by Liz
And here I thought you were going to come in here and apologise to 'Possibly' for overreacting.

All this because an author forgot to put your name on the bottom of a story? How old are you?


It is interesting in its duality. He claims to be wronged to the point of needing to create a public tantrum because he was not given editing credit, regardless of the fact that nowhere in the industry or this site is such credit the norm. I presume he considers this to be normal and acceptable behavior.

Then, in an unrelated bit of reasoning, he goes on to state in terms that are, frankly, grotesque, that only women get recognized. When given evidence to the contrary, he disregards it without actually refuting it and goes back to his crudely stated accusation of sexism.

Then, after having a snit about his lack of credit and his lack of reward, he strongly insinuates twice that the moderators must be thin skinned because we didn't agree.

I also noticed that he assumes as a rock-solid fact that his work justifies such a belief. I haven't read it, or if I have, it wasn't memorable enough to come to mind. Now that I think about though, perhaps that's the crux of the biscuit.
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Magical_felix


Because this thread is ridiculous. To put it simply, you are just upset that the person you edited a story for got a RR and you have not received one - that's the reason you're bitching - You then stated how much work her punctuation needed and that you changed her whole ending, trying to make her sound incompetent if it weren't for you just because she was recognized and you were not. Why do that to her, just because she received a RR and you haven't? You sound like an asshole. Especially when you say that it must be because she has a vagina. Maybe her story ideas are just better than yours and anyone could have helped her with editing and it would have received an RR anyway. Maybe you should have just asked her why she didn't credit you (if that's the reason you helped her) instead of embarrassing her here.

Again, you're being an asshole...and you expect positivity in return?



Well, so far you've managed to call overmykneenow at 'shit-head boob,' and me an 'asshole' (twice). And you're a 'Forum Guru?'

Does no one moderate these forums with the expectation of respectful and civil discourse? I've certainly been on my share of site forums, and I've found the forums at Lush to contain unusually thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Until Felix the Forum Guru decided to start typing. Do you have the capacity to interact intelligently and courteously with others?

I understand that a good way to be dismissive of all these issues is to ascribe them to petty jealousies. And if you feel a need to invent an excuse to dismiss issues rather than try to engage in a constructive and rational way then that's a shame (and rather pathetic).
Dani
Big-haired Bitch/Personality Hire
Your issue is that you didn't get your public acknowledgement, correct? That has been rectified, has it not? You received a public apology, and Possibly went on to edit her story to give you your recognition.

What's the problem now? Something about you not having a vagina? There are procedures for that. But in the meantime, you're not being punished or overlooked for not having one. I'm not even a story moderator, and I know for a fact that sex isn't even considered as a factor when verifying and dishing out rewards. That's laughable. The reception of your story is an entirely different matter. But that's based on the individuals who read, vote, and comment on your story. I'm not sure why this would be the fault of the moderating team, but I'm sure you'll find a way to tie it all in.

I understand you can only base things on your own experiences and draw your own conclusions/opinions, but to state them as fact is foolish at best. The story moderators here happen to be just a snapshot of some of the best writers Lush has to offer. So it should come as no surprise to anyone when their stories receive accolades.

As far as thin skin goes, people with far more experience in site policy only sought to correct you on things that you have said that are totally off base. Calling them thin-skinned for doing so is the equivalent of pissing in someone's face and telling them it's raining.

P.S. To those that would imply or think that those who schmooze with the moderating team have the greater advantage of receiving recognition, accolades, etc., you are sadly mistaken. From my observations, this seems to have the opposite effect.

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bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Milik_Redman


It is interesting in its duality. He claims to be wronged to the point of needing to create a public tantrum because he was not given editing credit, regardless of the fact that nowhere in the industry or this site is such credit the norm. I presume he considers this to be normal and acceptable behavior.

Then, in an unrelated bit of reasoning, he goes on to state in terms that are, frankly, grotesque, that only women get recognized. When given evidence to the contrary, he disregards it without actually refuting it and goes back to his crudely stated accusation of sexism.

Then, after having a snit about his lack of credit and his lack of reward, he strongly insinuates twice that the moderators must be thin skinned because we didn't agree.

I also noticed that he assumes as a rock-solid fact that his work justifies such a belief. I haven't read it, or if I have, it wasn't memorable enough to come to mind. Now that I think about though, perhaps that's the crux of the biscuit.


I have to say, MK, that at least you're not calling anyone a 'shit-head boob' or an 'asshole.' But I also understand (since you've evolved beyond Forum Guru to Internet Philosopher) that you also have a need to be dismissive of these issues, and, like Liz, attack rather than consider.

I started this thread with the simple purpose of giving a heads-up to would-be editors. To let them know that contributing in that way is great, but that some writers just won't (or don't understand the need to) acknowledge when another person contributes hours and effort to their project: a way to be forewarned that considerable effort may go unthanked and unacknowledged. (That simple purpose is what you've decided to call a 'public tantrum.')

But I hope the thread also has the effect of raising consciousness with writers that someone else putting great effort into your work is something to be acknowledged and thanked.

I can't speak to whether or not writers at Lush generally do or don't extend that courtesy. I hope my experience was the exception rather than the rule. But you are wrong about the industry generally. As I mentioned to another poster in another response, every writer opens or concludes their writing with acknowledgements of those who contributed to their work, especially editors.

So to the extent that all this makes writers (apparently including you) aware of basic courtesies then the effort is worthwhile.

Perhaps it's just my greatly advanced age. I really hesitate to get into a 'kids these days' type rant. But I guess you live long enough and you come to recognize and appreciate when someone does you a kindness and expends effort, talent, and skill on your behalf, and you understand that it needs to be thanked. Do 'kids these days' just not understand that basic fact of life?

Issues of fairness on the site are not among those I raised. Others did so. But to the extent that others bought them up then, yes, I've noticed similar issues. As I've stated several times in these posts: perhaps rather than attacking as a knee-jerk defensive reaction it might be a good idea to consider the criticisms with an open mind. But I'm disappointed that from the reactions this thread has gotten from the powers that be (you, Liz) that open minds are in short supply, and that attacking the messengers is the response (and that, FYI, is the definition of 'thin-skinned').

I also see you decided to make disparaging my writing (whether you've read any or not - and even if you'd had I understand you would still attack and disparage) a part of your attack. Really? That sort of thing is terribly childish and insecure.
Katje
Buxom Enigma
This has been quite an interesting thread to read.

Speaking not only as a story moderator here, but as an author ... Accolades are neither sought after, not required on the site for editorial effort. Those of us who spent countless hours moderating, editing and tweaking stories don't shine a great big neon sign saying "Look! I did that! They need to thank me!"

Are thanks appreciated? Of course. Unbeknownst to you, dear OP, we even have a private thread where we'll share the thank-you notes we get from writers who've we've both verified and edited for. We love that thread. And sadly, it's dusty right now from disuse. But do you see us whining about it? Or "giving a heads-up to would-be editors", warning them of the perils of anonymity? No.

We edit, tweak, assist, advise and help the writers here voluntarily. Without getting thanks, without getting acknowledgement. We do it because it brings us joy, and because we LIKE what we DO.

For me, that's enough. Knowing the little thrill I get, even as a mod, when my stories pass muster and get posted to the front page ... Just knowing I give that thrill to someone else is amazing. And I love getting even just a simple "thank you!" in response.

We're more than aware, as writers ourselves, that a story has a great amount of effort put into it, and behind it.

I do personally tag in an acknowledgement when someone helps with a story, but it's far from required. Some people don't even think to do that. Not everyone shares the same thought process.

As one of the "kids these days", I'm offended that someone of your "greatly advanced age" would fall prey to bickering and picking.

I'm far from thin-skinned, but seeing your argument from both sides of the keyboard, I find it invalid. I, personally, am not disparaging you, or your writings, but can you try and see things from the other side? Even a little? Because it certainly doesn't look like it from my point of view.
"Good writing is supposed to evoke sensation in the reader - not the fact that it is raining, but the feeling of being rained upon." -E.L. Doctorow
Katje
Buxom Enigma
Damned double posts.

As for gender-preference, that's preposterous. Each of us on the moderating team has the ability to reward RRs; the sole requirements for awarding a Recommended Read are not only based on correct grammar, spelling and punctuation, but the overall feel of the piece. Was it involved? Did it have a strong effect on the reader? Were the characters strong and believable? There are numerous things that go into the consideration of giving the blue ribbon. And we've all been warned to not just hand them blithely out to all and sundry.

As far as the EPs go, it's a panel of judges that go over nominations. Only those on the panel are privy to the details of what constitutes getting the gold ribbon, and that's fine by me. It's hard enough to get myself to reward an RR to a story I feel deserves it, because I know someone out there will find fault with that because their little feelings got hurt.

So pardon me if your picking doesn't have any effect on me whatsoever.
"Good writing is supposed to evoke sensation in the reader - not the fact that it is raining, but the feeling of being rained upon." -E.L. Doctorow
bethalia
Advanced Wordsmith
Quote by Dani
Your issue is that you didn't get your public acknowledgement, correct? That has been rectified, has it not? You received a public apology, and Possibly went on to edit her story to give you your recognition.

What's the problem now? Something about you not having a vagina? There are procedures for that. But in the meantime, you're not being punished or overlooked for not having one. I'm not even a story moderator, and I know for a fact that sex isn't even considered as a factor when verifying and dishing out rewards. That's laughable. The reception of your story is an entirely different matter. But that's based on the individuals who read, vote, and comment on your story. I'm not sure why this would be the fault of the moderating team, but I'm sure you'll find a way to tie it all in.

I understand you can only base things on your own experiences and draw your own conclusions/opinions, but to state them as fact is foolish at best. The story moderators here happen to be just a snapshot of some of the best writers Lush has to offer. So it should come as no surprise to anyone when their stories receive accolades.

As far as thin skin goes, people with far more experience in site policy only sought to correct you on things that you have said that are totally off base. Calling them thin-skinned for doing so is the equivalent of pissing in someone's face and telling them it's raining.

P.S. To those that would imply or think that those who schmooze with the moderating team have the greater advantage of receiving recognition, accolades, etc., you are sadly mistaken. From my observations, this seems to have the opposite effect.


Great. So now I get the conspiracy-theory-whacko attack.

Does anyone here have the capacity to engage with issue rather that attack and deny? To be candid (why stop now), in the first weeks after joining the site (and, as I've stated several time here, it's a quality site that I consider worth my monetary support) one of my first impressions was 'Gee, I see a lot of those thumbs up things next to stories by moderators, and there seems a sizable disparity in gender.' But everyone here seems to have decided that none of that is worth examination and thoughtful consideration. Although, someone above (without going back to look maybe it was Liz) acknowledged that there is a disparity by story category. That raised a glimmer of hope in me that perhaps the site people were capable of acknowledging that maybe there was something out of whack. But that was short lived. But if moderators' personal subject preferences are seeping into the process in story category then they certainly can as well in other areas (like gender or degree of involvement with the site). But I understand the knee-jerk is to deny rather than think.

Yes, it is nice and appropriate that Possibly belatedly appended an acknowledgement to their story. But at this point the thread has evolved far beyond that into other issues, mostly raised by others, but which seem worth discussion and exploration (as opposed to denial and attacks). But that will just be denied and dismissed, rather than intelligently engaged, by the powers that be. Such is life.
sprite
Her Royal Spriteness
i got all my EPs cause i have a cunt, and i send the mods nude photos every time i post a new story.

xoxo
talentless hack of a writer with a vagina.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Katje
Buxom Enigma
Quote by sprite
i got all my EPs cause i have a cunt, and i send the mods nude photos every time i post a new story.

xoxo
talentless hack of a writer with a vagina.


But it's quite a lovely vagina, if I may say so, my dear. My vagina is quite fond of yours.

And yet, I haven't a single EP.

My vagina demands justice!
"Good writing is supposed to evoke sensation in the reader - not the fact that it is raining, but the feeling of being rained upon." -E.L. Doctorow
sprite
Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by Katje


But it's quite a lovely vagina, if I may say so, my dear. My vagina is quite fond of yours.

And yet, I haven't a single EP.

My vagina demands justice!


your vagina makes a lot of noise. tell it to quiet down. it's messing with my concentration. smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Liz
Scarlet Seductress
Quote by sprite


your vagina makes a lot of noise. tell it to quiet down. it's messing with my concentration. smile


Noisy flimflams...
MadMartigan
Raised on Blackroot
Quote by bethalia

And I've sent some of those stories to Lush. Again, I can only speak to my own experiences, and the only conclusion I can reach based on those experiences here is that I don't have a vagina.


How terribly "sexist" of you.

Why does public acknowledgement mean so much to you? if that's what you want, you picked the wrong profession or hobby. Publishing a piece in the real world is a notoriously difficult and painful process.

That's the reality for even the most well known authors who've gotten countless rejection slips of their work being shit or just not up to snuff.

What do you want exactly? To have LUSH mods bow down on their knees to your writing?

We don't have RR pow-wows or anything. There is, however, a panel that decides on EPs. RRs are entirely contingent upon each individual moderator and if they think a story is worthy of said RR.

We don't doll them out like candy. That would defeat the purpose.

Do you even fully understand what an RR is? It's one tiny step below EP. And EPs are EXCEPTIONAL stories. They have no technical errors, have well rounded character, well rounded plot, and show a very good skill at erotica crafting. An RR is just below that in that it may have multiple technical errors.

It's like the NFL. EPs are stud, elite WRs like Calvin Johnson. RRs are steady, #1 WRs like Torrey Smith.

Instead of bashing the system, look deep into your own stories at what is missing. Every writer misses at least something.

I personally have awarded a grand total of 3 RRs. And I've been a mod for 6-7 months. Often times, I HEAVILY edit you guy's and gal's stories. Over and over again. Most times, that takes you out of the RR running unless the story content itself moves me.


And back to this "vagina" designation. In my opinion, this is a thinly veiled, snide remark against the high quality of female writers we have. And that's just messed up.

Be better writer if not having an RR pisses you off so much. Don't insult everyone because your ego hasn't been stroked.

For the record, the reason so many mods have so many RRs, is because we recruit the BEST! We don't just recruit folks off the streets to mod.

And, I guess I'm some dickless wonder as well since my very first story on this site was awarded an RR.

I AM a dude btw.

And what makes you even think all the females on here that say they are females, are actually females?

They may not be.
Dani
Big-haired Bitch/Personality Hire
Quote by bethalia
Yes, it is nice and appropriate that Possibly belatedly appended an acknowledgement to their story. But at this point the thread has evolved far beyond that into other issues, mostly raised by others, but which seem worth discussion and exploration (as opposed to denial and attacks). But that will just be denied and dismissed, rather than intelligently engaged, by the powers that be. Such is life.


You claim your original post was done as a warning to those that edit stories as a favor. But dude, really? Telling people they may not always be acknowledged for the things they do is like putting a 'Caution! Wet floor!' sign in the middle of the ocean. You edited a story, you got annoyed that you weren't mentioned, and you made a thread knowing the author would see it in order to shame them into submission. Mission accomplished. You wanted to rile people up. You wanted people to speak ill of Possibly and others who have the audacity not to publicly acknowledge those who help them edit their submissions. Please don't insult our intelligence by claiming otherwise.

You accuse others of disparaging you, insulting you, and dismissing your points, but you've done the same. You say we haven't acknowledged any of your theories, yet you dismiss all of our attempts to reason with you all while questioning our intelligence. You say one thing, we present you with facts as to why that may not be the case. Calling a spade a spade is not the same as dismissing you. Perhaps you're the one that needs to develop a thicker skin.

What's your end goal? If you're interested in figuring out how/why RR's and other such rewards are given, why not just ask instead of accuse? You're all fired up, and it's counterproductive. Don't take the offensive approach, and people won't feel the need to get defensive.

The problem isn't in you bringing these issues up, it's your tact (or lack thereof) in doing so. You started this thread with a chip on your shoulder. Although this thread has changed directions, the chip remains on your shoulder, and is reflected in the way you post.

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Milik_the_Red
Internet Philosopher
Quote by sprite
i got all my EPs cause i have a cunt, and i send the mods nude photos every time i post a new story.

xoxo
talentless hack of a writer with a vagina.


Come on, the spankings help too.sIX5N6YsQbDOKCMG