Why are straight people so phobic?

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History has shown us that some of the most raging anti-LGBTQ+ folks are in the closet themselves.

This. Truth.

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The title of the thread implies ALL. Own it.

Every single person on earth operates within a system of rules that has actively oppressed the LGBTQ+ (and others). It's getting better but to assume you're somehow absolved or want clemency when I go down on girls and am not absolved is lunacy.

All of us get caught in queer-alienating thought patterns because it's what we are fed by society - sometimes subconsciously. Is this the same as gunning down somebody waving a flag? No. Literally nobody has made that equivalency.

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what’s the perfect medium temp porridge?

Per Google, Cream of Wheat.

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btw, since i have your attention, when was the last time you stood up for someone in the LGBTQ community. i'm not talking about declaring yourself non-homophobic in an anonymous forum post on the internet. when was the last time you stepped out of your comfort zone and supported someone? not saying you haven't, but just giving you something to think about.

I am generally accepting of each individual's choices in life, sexual or otherwise. There are choices that are offensive and/or threatening which I will oppose. I find people, straight or gay, irritating when they demand I think or say things they demand I must support whether I do or not.

here's the kind of things i'm looking for. ever contacted a politician and voiced your opinion on anti-lgbtq laws and voiced your support of gay rights? ever been with a group of people talking about 'the gays' or 'queers' or 'fags' and spoken up against that kind of talk? ever witnessed harassment or bullying of gays and stepped in? ever seen a pride flag outside a shop and told the owner 'right on'? do you display any kind of pro-lgbtq paraphanalia at your place or on your car? donate or volunteer to gay youth programs? and

, i am not demanding these things. i am simply putting them out there for people to think about. that is what support is. yes, voting for politicians supporting pro-lgbtq agendas is awesome. there's just so much more you can do.

i mean, seriously, i do a lot of things in support of other minorities that i am not a part of, simply because it's just the right thing to do. i even support straights and protect them from bullying, harassment, and other things. (it's literally part of my job).

really, the thing is, just look after each other despite all the labels - straighty, gay, male, female, young, old, asian, hispanic, black, middle eastern, jewish, what ever religion or non-religion... just be fucking kind go people. it's easy once you get in the habit and it actually makes you feet good.

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I am unsure that will be satisfactory.

why would it be unsatifactory - so much better than voting for people with an ant-lgbtq agenda. every step in the right direction is a... well, a step in the right direction.

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why would it be unsatifactory - so much better than voting for people with an ant-lgbtq agenda. every step in the right direction is a... well, a step in the right direction.

I think Chryses said that because he knows ElCoco is being disingenuous.

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Not everyone agrees about what constitutes being kind to people.

i think kindness is pretty universally agreed on, but you do you.

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I think what is kind in the minds of some is not necessarily kind in the minds of others.

You may be wired wrong.

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I think what is kind in the minds of some is not necessarily kind in the minds of others.

how about you stop trying to derail the thread and get back on topic, please.

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Glad to see you're good with me voting for what I think is the right direction, even though I get the impression you think it's a bare minimum.

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What's the "ant-lgbtq agenda"?

I'll admit I don't follow LGBT stuff much, certainly not as closely as you seem to. But I haven't seen the anti-LGBT agenda you're talking about.

For example - there's more, not less, 'L', 'G', and 'B' legal protection now than there's been in the past, so that's not the issue. The Colorado wedding cake decision was decided on Free Speech grounds, so that isn't it.

As I've said, I don't follow LGBT stuff, so if there's LGB legislation you know about that I don't, I'm openly asking you to show them to me.

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As for the 'T', are you saying that trying to save women's sports for women is anti-transgender? If you are, then there are many people who don't agree with you. I think they've got a valid point - male bodies are physically bigger, faster, and stronger than female bodies. Follow the science.

The other big social push back I'm aware of is against the idea a child knows enough about being an adult to make a life changing decision to go from boy to girl or girl to boy. I think that's a pretty shaky idea. Even there, I think in California, there's pending legislation that'll permit a kid's teacher to not tell the kid's parents about the kid's wants and plans, so that's still being debated there.

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This is a long post for me, but I'm trying to be open about my questions about what you've said. I sure hope nobody removes it.

it is the bare minimum. doesn't mean i don't appreciate it, but yeah, bare minimum. as far as the anti-lgbtq agenda goes, you might be interested in this article: https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roundup-of-anti-lgbtq-legislation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

A majority of the bills being introduced and passed are anti-trans. a majority, but not all. and yes, there are plenty of people who don't agree with me. i'm used to that. some people REALLY don't agree with me. lol

it is not legal for children to go through transitioning through surgery or estrogen/testosterone treatment. they can identify as whatever gender they wish, change their pronouns, look or dress how they wish, but that's the extent of it.

and think about it, if there is legislation pending about kids not wanting their parents being told about wants and plans, i think that says more about the atmosphere at home than anything else. if a kid is afraid of outing themselves to their parents, you gotta wonder what their home life is like.

I’m a Native American/Hispanic and I’m bi and I was a staunch conservative until I saw how easily both parties can let race, class warfare, and indenting politics divide you. When I was a conservative there were no phobias and still aren’t. If you get off your soap box and listen to each other. You would actually come to an agreement on lots of different issues. But because of the division and waking up to the fact that both parties are trash! I now consider myself an American nationalist, who believes in America First. I’m sorry but there is a whole lot ignorance in this thread. Wow I’m kind of ashamed to be associated with people who allow themselves to be controlled by what has clearly become state controlled media. If you allow yourselves to be manipulated and emotionally high jacked by false narratives on the news or by social media. You’re the poorly educated highly indoctrinated that they are programming into sheep. You are keeping the people divided by simply thinking you’re right and they’re wrong. The people of this country need to wake up because we’re heading to the point if no return. What our government is doing while we fight against each other, they are and pillaging the world. While most you care about shit that don’t matter. No one has to accept who you think you are, no one has to accept what you think you are. This is America, you do what you want. But don’t get in my face demanding that you are special and that we have to accept you. When before you started screaming in my face that I am intolerant, I didn’t even know you existed. So no out of spite I won’t recognize or acquiesced to your demands. Because that’s what has given the LGBT community bad press. But you can thank GLAAD for stoking this problem. Our community has created its lobbying firm, were you even aware of GLADD? The lobbying firm that seeks to destroy the male role model in America. Or to allow men into women’s prisons and restrooms? Like I said I’m a bi male and this is absolutely insane how easily they have manipulated the minority communities. I’ve been here 47 years and only in the last 13 years has the LGBT community turned into the very bullies they banded together to fight against. Only they’re worst then any conservative I ever met or known. Some members of LGBT community are zealots that have very dangerous views towards straight people. Some are mentally unstable and have actually gone out and killed people. The amount of people from the lgbt community who have committed mass homicides far outnumber straight people who have killed someone for their sexual identity or orientation. Before you lose your mind over my statement do some research of your own. Stop reading and listening to news, when that background noise fades away you’ll see how easily we’ve all been manipulated. In case you’ve missed it our community has been declared a protected minority status giving us more rights and protections than straight people. I didn’t ask nor do I want this status. We’re all Americans who should all have EQUAL rights and protections. Another democratic push to further divide America

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Glad to see you're good with me voting for what I think is the right direction, even though I get the impression you think it's a bare minimum.

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What's the "ant-lgbtq agenda"?

I'll admit I don't follow LGBT stuff much, certainly not as closely as you seem to. But I haven't seen the anti-LGBT agenda you're talking about.

For example - there's more, not less, 'L', 'G', and 'B' legal protection now than there's been in the past, so that's not the issue. The Colorado wedding cake decision was decided on Free Speech grounds, so that isn't it.

As I've said, I don't follow LGBT stuff, so if there's LGB legislation you know about that I don't, I'm openly asking you to show them to me.

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As for the 'T', are you saying that trying to save women's sports for women is anti-transgender? If you are, then there are many people who don't agree with you. I think they've got a valid point - male bodies are physically bigger, faster, and stronger than female bodies. Follow the science.

The other big social push back I'm aware of is against the idea a child knows enough about being an adult to make a life changing decision to go from boy to girl or girl to boy. I think that's a pretty shaky idea. Even there, I think in California, there's pending legislation that'll permit a kid's teacher to not tell the kid's parents about the kid's wants and plans, so that's still being debated there.

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This is a long post for me, but I'm trying to be open about my questions about what you've said. I sure hope nobody removes it.

Very well said.

You add emotion to your words which I purposely choose not to.

Very true when it comes to trans and sports.

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The other big social push back I'm aware of is against the idea a child knows enough about being an adult to make a life changing decision to go from boy to girl or girl to boy. I think that's a pretty shaky idea.

Kids not knowing enough about being an adult is a good reason why religion should be kept away from them. That way many of the phobias discussed here might evaporate within a generation or 2.

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Off topic.

Because you left out the part that firmly connected it to the topic.

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Nope, it didn't. It was just your way of saying you don't like religion. We already know that.

Yes, you did leave out the part that firmly connected it to the topic.

But since you brought up me not liking religion: backward religious views about many LGBTQ issues is one of many reasons.

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Nope. All it was was another of your "I hate religion" digs. And that's OK. You can hate religion all you want, but your implication that it's the cause of sprite's anti-lgbtq agenda is nonsense.

I didn't say it's the cause of sprite's anti-lgbtq agenda, I'm even pretty sure she doesn't have such agenda, I do think though that it's a major burden in the process of getting rid of the related phobias.

Do you know what is the cause of the anti-lgbtq agenda btw?

Edited: anti-lgbtq agenda instead of lgbtq-agenda

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There are several posts in this thread referencing (anti) lgbtq agenda. By asking what the cause of it is, you assume it exists.

What lgbtq-agenda are you talking about?

The one that ElCoco brought up to me.

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You can hate religion all you want, but your implication that it's the cause of sprite's anti-lgbtq agenda is nonsense.

Do you know what is the cause of the anti-lgbtq agenda?

Oh, and Chryses wants to know what agenda this is. Maybe you can enlighten him as along the way.

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The amount of people from the lgbt community who have committed mass homicides far outnumber straight people who have killed someone for their sexual identity or orientation. Before you lose your mind over my statement do some research of your own.

So, I did my research. This is bullshit. I’m not sure where you got this but I’d love some links.

Maybe you should turn the news back on.

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Why are you dodging the question, too?

To be fair, the original question wasn’t even for you though.

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I’m a Native American/Hispanic and I’m bi and I was a staunch conservative until I saw how easily both parties can let race, class warfare, and indenting politics divide you. When I was a conservative there were no phobias and still aren’t. If you get off your soap box and listen to each other. You would actually come to an agreement on lots of different issues. But because of the division and waking up to the fact that both parties are trash! I now consider myself an American nationalist, who believes in America First. I’m sorry but there is a whole lot ignorance in this thread. Wow I’m kind of ashamed to be associated with people who allow themselves to be controlled by what has clearly become state controlled media. If you allow yourselves to be manipulated and emotionally high jacked by false narratives on the news or by social media. You’re the poorly educated highly indoctrinated that they are programming into sheep. You are keeping the people divided by simply thinking you’re right and they’re wrong. The people of this country need to wake up because we’re heading to the point if no return. What our government is doing while we fight against each other, they are and pillaging the world. While most you care about shit that don’t matter. No one has to accept who you think you are, no one has to accept what you think you are. This is America, you do what you want. But don’t get in my face demanding that you are special and that we have to accept you. When before you started screaming in my face that I am intolerant, I didn’t even know you existed. So no out of spite I won’t recognize or acquiesced to your demands. Because that’s what has given the LGBT community bad press. But you can thank GLAAD for stoking this problem. Our community has created its lobbying firm, were you even aware of GLADD? The lobbying firm that seeks to destroy the male role model in America. Or to allow men into women’s prisons and restrooms? Like I said I’m a bi male and this is absolutely insane how easily they have manipulated the minority communities. I’ve been here 47 years and only in the last 13 years has the LGBT community turned into the very bullies they banded together to fight against. Only they’re worst then any conservative I ever met or known. Some members of LGBT community are zealots that have very dangerous views towards straight people. Some are mentally unstable and have actually gone out and killed people. The amount of people from the lgbt community who have committed mass homicides far outnumber straight people who have killed someone for their sexual identity or orientation. Before you lose your mind over my statement do some research of your own. Stop reading and listening to news, when that background noise fades away you’ll see how easily we’ve all been manipulated. In case you’ve missed it our community has been declared a protected minority status giving us more rights and protections than straight people. I didn’t ask nor do I want this status. We’re all Americans who should all have EQUAL rights and protections. Another democratic push to further divide America

Hello brand new account that was created just yesterday and immediately made a bee-line for the Think Tank, you've typed a lot of words to say absolutely nothing and contribute nothing to this topic while making bogus claims.

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I find crap like this extremely offensive. I've known gay men, lesbians and trans people, long before it became les causes des jours, when before HIV was grip. I vote conservative because the other choice is putting Government into the bedroom. It wasn't Trump who was spanked by the Circuit Court for suppression of speech.

As for the original question, I don't think there is a single answer to the question any more than I think that conservatives are the only phobic people in the country. Some fear themselves, some fear the retribution of God, some believe that because history evolved from libertine Rome and Greece at the same time Christianity arose there is a connection between social evolution and repression of sexuality. [removed by moderator due to being irrelevant to present discussion]

I was a young teen when Christine Jorgenson had her sex change operation. If I were inclined to believe the popular press at all, I'd blame the rise in phobic behavior on Obama prefering to hide in the closet. As far as I can tell, none of the rhetoric got really vehement until his ascendency. "Whatever floats your goat" was the watchword of my generation and the one after that. Things started getting wierd when Gore lost and kept bending after that.

This is a lot...of nonsense, that is.

Why are so many conversations devolving into unsubstantiated claims lately?

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The amount of people from the lgbt community who have committed mass homicides far outnumber straight people who have killed someone for their sexual identity or orientation.

list them, please.

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I find crap like this extremely offensive. I've known gay men, lesbians and trans people, long before it became les causes des jours, when before HIV was grip. I vote conservative because the other choice is putting Government into the bedroom. It wasn't Trump who was spanked by the Circuit Court for suppression of speech.

As for the original question, I don't think there is a single answer to the question any more than I think that conservatives are the only phobic people in the country. Some fear themselves, some fear the retribution of God, some believe that because history evolved from libertine Rome and Greece at the same time Christianity arose there is a connection between social evolution and repression of sexuality. [removed by moderator due to being irrelevant to present discussion]

I was a young teen when Christine Jorgenson had her sex change operation. If I were inclined to believe the popular press at all, I'd blame the rise in phobic behavior on Obama prefering to hide in the closet. As far as I can tell, none of the rhetoric got really vehement until his ascendency. "Whatever floats your goat" was the watchword of my generation and the one after that. Things started getting wierd when Gore lost and kept bending after that.

pretty sure Mr Obama isn't gay, so that really makes no sense whatsoever. and, actually, things got REALLY vehement after Trump was elected and he made it okay for all the extremists to speak up and follow up their words with action.

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pretty sure Mr Obama isn't gay, so that really makes no sense whatsoever

I think sometimes a private fantasy intrudes on reality -- but, hey, whatever floats his goat.

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pretty sure Mr Obama isn't gay, so that really makes no sense whatsoever. and, actually, things got REALLY vehement after Trump was elected and he made it okay for all the extremists to speak up and follow up their words with action.

Absolutely! Trump opened the door for bigots to openly be bigots again.

Trump is the leader for Bigot Vogue!

In my opinion there is no real answer. People feel the way they feel, for a variety of reasons- upbringing, religion, fear, personal experiences, and biology. There is always fear, anger, and judgement when something different is involved, especially when it conflicts with their values, beliefs, and insecurities.

I’m straight. I have known gay/lesbian/ trans/bi people since I was a child, but never labeled them as such. It never did, and still doesn’t, matter to me. Same with race, religion, politics- I accept people for who they are, but I know I am in the minority in that respect.

Hopefully it will change for the better as time passes and society progresses.

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Yes! Treat people as individuals instead of members of a group.

True, like, I don’t judge all idiots based on the actions of one.

To a greater or lesser degree prejudice of one kind of the other will always exist. Ensure you do your best to avoid it. One person at a time.