US Presidential election

You’re a really terrible person, but I suppose you’re fine with that.

A typical response ....not even worth it🤣...borrow a life.

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Please tell me why vegetarians won't eat meat ...but wear leather shoes ,belts, coats and purses. .........It's all a matter of choice...don't you think ....

This is seems like a very narrow minded view on diets, not to mention a poor comparison to politics.

Many vegetarians do indeed wear leather clothing.

However, there are benefits to a vegetarian diet that do not include an opposition to the killing of animals for their resources;

- Better cardio vascular health,
- Lower risk of diabetes,
- Lower cholesterol,
- Digestive issues,
- Lower toxic contaminants,
- Helps reduce skin conditions,
- Helps losing weight.

Not to mention a vegetarian diet is exceptionally cheaper with less links to cancer than the diet of a carnivore.

However, there are also lots of vegetarians that will refuse to wear and/or endorse leather items, and most vegans will also take a very strong opposition to it.

However, those same examples above also apply to vegans. Not all vegans avoid meat and leather products etc for one reason... Some (seemingly most) avoid it for the health benefits, others because they are against killing animals for their resources.

But anyway, back to the second point, and keeping the thread on track;

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If you don't like whom is running ...don't vote ...let your neighbor decide whom is elected!!🍷"

I am inclined to agree with you on that point. I don't think I will vote in the next UK election.

I do think that your vote should only be put forward when there is a candidate you believe worthy to lead your own nation. Neither the US or the UK has viable options in my view. Voting just to vote I truly believe is the only way a vote can be wasted.

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I am inclined to agree with you on that point. I don't think I will vote in the next UK election.

I do think that your vote should only be put forward when there is a candidate you believe worthy to lead your own nation. Neither the US or the UK has viable options in my view. Voting just to vote I truly believe is the only way a vote can be wasted.

Voting for a third candidate or a candidate from a less popular party is better than just not voting. But that is stupid as well. Who are you trying to fool… putting propaganda forward that Biden is just as bad as Trump so might as well not vote is exactly what the republicans want. “Voting just to vote… is the only way a vote can be wasted” lol what an incredibly dumb statement. The reason hitler came to power is because 30% of Germans thought just like you do. 30% just stuck their heads in the ground and allowed 30% of the far right take over.

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Voting just to vote I truly believe is the only way a vote can be wasted.

I don’t agree.

For example: an intentionally spoilt ballot is a good opportunity to participate in democracy but also make a stand, telling the political parties that you want to participate but don’t choose them. It’s a common protest practice. This obviously only works if it’s not done digitally although many countries now make allowances for a “none of the above” option.

Democracy is the right to choose, which includes the right not to choose a party but opting out is apathy and apathy is acceptance.

Of course this presupposes there is not one single good candidate which I find difficult to believe.

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Of course this presupposes there is not one single good candidate which I find difficult to believe.

I'm not sure if I find that hard to believe, but there sure is always one that's better than the the other.

In the coming US Presidential Elections it's obvious that any candidate will be better than Trump. And given the stupid US election system, the only non-MAGA candidate that matters is one the Democrats will bring to the table. So far that seems to be Biden. Far from ideal, but it is what it is.

Biden and the Democrats environmental policies are far worse when they are in power than when Trump is in power. The democrats made moves to block drilling and mining projects Trump started, but fully endorse Biden's record of opening more oil drilling on federal lands than Trump ever did. This is despite a campaign promise to not approve any new drilling projects on federal land.

So is Biden better than Trump?

To me, the ideal situation in this two party war is Trump in office and the democrats controlling congress. The deadlock is better than either in power. Trump can't push judges through freely, congress limits trump's ability to disrupt the system. Maybe as an environmentalist Trump's honesty with Democrat's opposition is better for my interests than empty promises and lies from Biden?

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If you don't like whom is running ...don't vote ...let your neighbor decide whom is elected!!🍷

Such a bad take.

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For example: an intentionally spoilt ballot is a good opportunity to participate in democracy but also make a stand, telling the political parties that you want to participate but don’t choose them.

I like this option.

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Please tell me why vegetarians won't eat meat ...but wear leather shoes ,belts, coats and purses. .........It's all a matter of choice...don't you think ....no one is right or wrong . If you don't like whom is running ...don't vote ...let your neighbor decide whom is elected!!🍷

not all vegetarians wear leather shoes, belts, etc. Vegans certainly won't.

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Voting for a third candidate or a candidate from a less popular party is better than just not voting. But that is stupid as well. Who are you trying to fool… putting propaganda forward that Biden is just as bad as Trump so might as well not vote is exactly what the republicans want. “Voting just to vote… is the only way a vote can be wasted” lol what an incredibly dumb statement. The reason hitler came to power is because 30% of Germans thought just like you do. 30% just stuck their heads in the ground and allowed 30% of the far right take over.

This isnt sticking my head in the ground. Hitler was always going to do what he done and unfortunately nobody could stop him from starting.

I openly don't know enough about the USA and potential candidates from other parties, so I only have Trump and Biden to compare to in recent history, so I limited my comment to only those two in my view.

However, Biden can barely speak or even remember his own name, can't follow simple directions on and off of stage and is showing many signs of Dementia (I know it well, I have seen it twice in my short adult life). People in the real world start to have their property signed over to relatives at this stage, yet people still want Biden to be POTUS just in spite of Trump? That is such a hazard, not only to US politics and the image of the USA as a whole, but also to Joe himself.

However, being from the UK, I do not have any current potential candidate or party as a whole that I believe in.

Sure, there are less popular options to the population than Conservative and Labour leaders in The UK, I just dont believe in them. Although I know one of those two will win, both would likely give me benefit and misfortune.

I believe your vote is supposed to go towards the person/party which you believe in the most, not to those which you dislike the least.

You wouldn't put your money into a bank you knew was going to be in administration next week, you'd hold onto it until a better option is available. As such, I will not be voting for any party until there is someone that I have some kind of belief in. Hopefully that changes before the next election, though unlikely.

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This isnt sticking my head in the ground. Hitler was always going to do what he done and unfortunately nobody could stop him from starting.

I openly don't know enough about the USA and potential candidates from other parties, so I only have Trump and Biden to compare to in recent history, so I limited my comment to only those two in my view.

However, Biden can barely speak or even remember his own name, can't follow simple directions on and off of stage and is showing many signs of Dementia (I know it well, I have seen it twice in my short adult life). People in the real world start to have their property signed over to relatives at this stage, yet people still want Biden to be POTUS just in spite of Trump? That is such a hazard, not only to US politics and the image of the USA as a whole, but also to Joe himself.

However, being from the UK, I do not have any current potential candidate or party as a whole that I believe in.

Sure, there are less popular options to the population than Conservative and Labour leaders in The UK, I just dont believe in them. Although I know one of those two will win, both would likely give me benefit and misfortune.

I believe your vote is supposed to go towards the person/party which you believe in the most, not to those which you dislike the least.

You wouldn't put your money into a bank you knew was going to be in administration next week, you'd hold onto it until a better option is available. As such, I will not be voting for any party until there is someone that I have some kind of belief in. Hopefully that changes before the next election, though unlikely.

Oh so you’re saving your votes for a rainy day? Makes so much sense, thank you for clearing that up.

Lol

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Nothing like getting your political advice from a [edited for unacceptable content] slaver. That’s a bastion of moral wisdom of governance.

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This isnt sticking my head in the ground. Hitler was always going to do what he done and unfortunately nobody could stop him from starting.

Maybe not from starting, but surely from continuing. If Germans would not have voted for him, then he would not have had the power to do the things he did.

Btw. like Trump Hitler had previously lead an insurrection.

I believe your vote is supposed to go towards the person/party which you believe in the most, not to those which you dislike the least.

In an ideal world, yes. And even in most non-ideal worlds still. But if chances of getting fascists in power are somewhat likely, then you'd better vote for the least bad option.

You wouldn't put your money into a bank you knew was going to be in administration next week, you'd hold onto it until a better option is available. As such, I will not be voting for any party until there is someone that I have some kind of belief in. Hopefully that changes before the next election, though unlikely.

Voting for the least bad option now might be the only chance one has got to make sure they'll be able to vote for a better option in the future.

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Oh so you’re saving your votes for a rainy day? Makes so much sense, thank you for clearing that up.

Lol

No, obviously not. I am just not giving someone my vote who i do not have an ounce of belief in.

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Maybe not from starting, but surely from continuing. If Germans would not have voted for him, then he would not have had the power to do the things he did.

If my memory of history is correct, people did vote against Hitler, in 1932 where he lost the chance of a 7 year seat as German President.
Yet he rose to power by proxy of being Chancellor in 1934, without public vote and still done horrible shit from there.

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In an ideal world, yes. And even in most non-ideal worlds still. But if chances of getting fascists in power are somewhat likely, then you'd better vote for the least bad option.

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Voting for the least bad option now might be the only chance one has got to make sure they'll be able to vote for a better option in the future.

Honestly, I think that telling a person what you would do with their vote is a bad thing, and that is one reasaon why votes cant be passed on to others.
What person A thinks about politics should not have an impression on what person B thinks, political views should always be individual, without influence as different policies will have a greater or lesser impact on others than it will on yourself.

Unfortunately, these days people are far too concerned with fitting in with others, or trying to force others into their own cookie cutter, than they are about doing ther own thing.

A vote held back because I dont believe in a candidate or party is not wasted, it is only a shame that there is a lack of belief in the ability for any of those people to lead.

If you do still want to call it a waste, then blame the candidates as they are the ones who desperately want the votes, but not putting in the work to give people the belief.

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If my memory of history is correct, people did vote against Hitler, in 1932 where he lost the chance of a 7 year seat as German President.
Yet he rose to power by proxy of being Chancellor in 1934, without public vote and still done horrible shit from there.

It's very unlikely he would have been made Chancellor had the Nazi Party not have had the most seats in the Reichstag.

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Honestly, I think that telling a person what you would do with their vote is a bad thing, and that is one reasaon why votes cant be passed on to others.
What person A thinks about politics should not have an impression on what person B thinks, political views should always be individual, without influence as different policies will have a greater or lesser impact on others than it will on yourself.

Unfortunately, these days people are far too concerned with fitting in with others, or trying to force others into their own cookie cutter, than they are about doing ther own thing.

A vote held back because I dont believe in a candidate or party is not wasted, it is only a shame that there is a lack of belief in the ability for any of those people to lead.

If you do still want to call it a waste, then blame the candidates as they are the ones who desperately want the votes, but not putting in the work to give people the belief.

Que?

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Twice!

It is a curse.

There is a minimum age limit of 35 to become president. Maybe we should enact a maximum age limit, say, 70 or 72.

Joe Biden (aka Brandon) speaks with 5 actors (who portrayed a US President in some series or movie) prior to his State of the Union 2024 speech. More than simply entertaining. Now, imagine Trump ever doing something like this.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1765750702972809621

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Yeah, Biden’s angry old man rant really drove home the whole point of the matter. The Democrats had spent the primary season quashing and burying any opposition to Biden’s re-election rather than finding a suitable substitute.

Imagine how much better the optics would be politically if he had announced he will step down due to his older age. He could head into the sunset with a decent economic track record (so long as your the small % of wealthy Americans who benefit from things like inflated stock prices or an out of control housing market). The republicans are in chaos looking bad as hell killing their own bills and unable to pass shit with a majority.

It would have been a really nice set up for a new candidate. Instead he’s proving all the rhetoric about his age and mental fitness. He’s heading in with a scandal. He’ll drag the whole ticket and hand Trump an easy victory. It was a self indulgent move for the Dems to push forward with their senile meat puppet and it is going to lead to absolute chaos.

This comment has aged like month old, room temperature, cottage cheese.

https://www.rawstory.com/katie-britt-out-and-out-lie/

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This comment has aged like month old, room temperature, cottage cheese.

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/

So according to polls it’s neck and neck with the edge going to Trump for the next election.

Don’t know why you don’t think that comment holds water. I stand by it completely.

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https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/

So according to polls it’s neck and neck with the edge going to Trump for the next election.

Don’t know why you don’t think that comment holds water. I stand by it completely.

The people criticizing Biden over and over because he’s old or whatever are morons. Congrats, Trump may win. No more bag of bones Biden, or reproductive rights or voting possibly.

Hey, what party held both sides of congress and presidency when women lost their national abortion access again?

The opposition to Trump has been infinitely more productive than the acceptance of Biden.

He is old, he does keep making dumb gaffes. But that’s like 50 items down on the list as to why he’s a terrible president.

And congrats to the Democrats for ushering in the second Trump presidency. It couldn’t have happened without them.

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Hey, what party held both sides of congress and presidency when women lost their national abortion access again?

The opposition to Trump has been infinitely more productive than the acceptance of Biden.

He is old, he does keep making dumb gaffes. But that’s like 50 items down on the list as to why he’s a terrible president.

And congrats to the Democrats for ushering in the second Trump presidency. It couldn’t have happened without them.

Ah yes, it was the democrats who ushered in the anti abortion legislation. You're a real genius.

You are like the republicans who run cover for corporations by endlessly crying inflation and how it's the democrats fault.

So stupid..

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Ah yes, it was the democrats who ushered in the anti abortion legislation. You're a real genius.

You are like the republicans who run cover for corporations by endlessly crying inflation and how it's the democrats fault.

So stupid..

If the democrats had half the gumption for reproductive rights as they did for sucking the same corporate cocks the republicans did then abortion access would have been codified decades ago.

Biden’s record on corporate kickbacks, environmental issues, and healthcare is somehow worse than Trumps.

Probably because he’s been functionally further right wing than many Republicans. Remember the 94’ crime bill? The attempt to ‘beat the republicans on their own turf? And now he’s ready to go after immigrants. This has been Biden’s constant issue in his career, his ‘playing to the middle’ gets him no support from Republicans and disenfranchises the leftist base. Then they wonder why no one is coming out to vote for him.

Biden is an existentially terrible candidate. Just as bad as Trump functionally on all the issues I care about. The Democrats only fight for us when a a Republican is president. So get fighting.

Ultimately maybe the Democrats need to give voters something to believe in, Instead their only pitch is, ‘not trump.’ Just like Al Gore lost with his, ‘Not Bush’ campaign.

If the president has 30% approval ratings don’t put him up for reelection. You cannot win this way.

Most of you are so knowledgeable!!🤣..It's so amazing🤣

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feel free to show off your knowledge anytime you like.

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