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Florida introduces curriculum that includes how slavery was beneficial for the slaves

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Quote by Chryses

That is true! The words in the benchmark clarification state, "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

She said, "Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery".

The two statements are not equivalent, as we all know.

What's the difference between the two statements?

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Quote by Dani

What's the difference between the two statements?

you do know you'll never actually get a straight answer from him, right? he'll just do the usual song and dance and pretend he's said something of substance.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses
You are, again, mistaken.

that's just your opinion. which happens to be, based on your past history, incorrect. i think that, if we took a poll on the subject, and you were only allowed to use THIS persona, you'd come out on the short end of the stick.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

Dani - Why do you (I presume it is you) keep hiding my post about Vice President Harris?

I'm not hiding it. I can't hide posts, only delete them. I deleted it for being off topic since it wasn't even loosely related to the slavery curriculum in Florida. You reposted it, and I deleted it again. Please do not post it a third time. Thank you.

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Quote by Chryses

Dani - Why do you (I presume it is you) keep hiding my post about Vice President Harris?

as she's explained to you a million times before - mostly to your Tantaleyes account, to be fair - it hasn't been hidden. it has been deleted,

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

It is very unlikely the DBA has granted you DELETE privileges. Further, you do not have access to the SQL interpreter that would enable you to delete a row from a table in the database.

The post documents that Vice President Harris has said wildly inaccurate things in the past, as she has done in this case, and so is on topic.

dude. she is THE forum manager. got some news for you. i also have DELETE privileges. best not make calls on things you know absolutely nothing about. btw, just like her, i use my judiciously and not just because i don't like or don't agree with someone. it's called ethics.

and deleting a post is super easy. simply pull down tab that gives you access to the delete option.

now that it's been explained, please drop the subject, or i'm going to consider it harassment of a mod and then i WILL use my powers to give your ass a time out,

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

I have documented your error. Deny it for as long as you wish

ooo - you gonna go post it on twitter now so everyone there knows that i'm a dumbass? say hi to all the white supremacists for me while you're there.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

There is no need for me to do that.

I suspect those white supremacists you refer to also support racial discrimination.

so you'd probably feel right at home there.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

There is no need for me to do that.

I suspect those white supremacists you refer to also support racial discrimination.

They are also the only ones supporting the Supreme Court's decision.

Funny that.

Quote by Chryses

I am not Tantaleyes - or any of the other accounts you imagine.

I have explained to Dani, and now to you, that is very unlikely the DBA has granted you, her, or any of the Mods DELETE privileges. Further, you do not have access to the SQL interpreter that would enable you to delete a row from a table in the database.


Have I got some news for you:

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Quote by Chryses

There are polls linked in this thread that contradict you.

Yes, your gratuitous mistakes are amusing.

that's just your opinion.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

All it does is set a flag (column value) in the row of the table, which excludes the row (WHERE NOT IN ...) from the SELECT statement, which populates the page you and I see.

In my youth, I wrote that type of code - not that you will believe me. However, DM noll, and he can verify what I have explained to you. He knows what I'm talking about.

ok - seriously, drop the subject - next post i see along these lines, you're taking a vacay to think about what you did.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

You are again mistaken, for the pols are not mu opinion.

Polls. My. you really have been drinking, haven't you.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

Still in denial, I see. As you cannot argue the issue, you latch on anything else.

just taking a page from your playbook, dude,

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

All it does is set a flag (column value) in the row of the table, which excludes the row (WHERE NOT IN ...) from the SELECT statement, which populates the page you and I see.

In my youth, I wrote that type of code - not that you will believe me. However, DM noll, and he can verify what I have explained to you. He knows what I'm talking about.

Chryses, once a post is deleted on Lush, it is permanently deleted. They are irretrievable. Not even a site owner can retrieve a post once it's been deleted. Contact any admin or OWNER OF THE SITE, and they can confirm that when a mod deletes a post, it is fucking deleted. It's not archived. It's not hidden. It is GONE. Jesus Christ.

I've made a remedial version of the video. It's a bit longer. And as sprite has said, this discussion is over.

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Quote by Chryses

All it does is set a flag (column value) in the row of the table, which excludes the row (WHERE NOT IN ...) from the SELECT statement, which populates the page you and I see.

In my youth, I wrote that type of code - not that you will believe me. However, DM noll, and he can verify what I have explained to you. He knows what I'm talking about.

LOL, it might be a flag, it may not be. You and I both don't know how it's implemented here. But for all purposes, if the mods can't get it back, then in a practical sense it's deleted.


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Now, about V.P. Harris' mistake ...

ok. what about it? people make mistakes. it happens.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

And she made one about the Florida curriculum.

What's the difference between what VP Harris said about what's in the curriculum and what's actually documented in the curriculum?

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Quote by Chryses

One refers to what an individual might be able to do ("which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit")

The other refers to what happened to a group of people ("enslaved people benefited from slavery").

Will the students in Florida be learning about how slavery benefited the enslaved?

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Quote by Chryses

One refers to what an individual might be able to do ("which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit")

The other refers to what happened to a group of people ("enslaved people benefited from slavery").

SEMANTICS, BITCHES! OH YEAH. FUCK ALL YA'LL! OWN THEM YOU MAGNIFICENT GOD!

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Chryses

What I expect the Florida students will be taught is what an individual might be able to do ("which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit"), even when enslaved.

So in other words, they'll be learning about how slavery benefited the enslaved? LMAO.

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Quote by Chryses

No. You have made the same mistake our Vice President made.

Nah. You're just clinging to semantics because it's easier than facing the reality that Florida has in their curriculum that they plan on teaching how the enslaved benefitted from slavery.

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Quote by Chryses

No. You have made the same mistake our Vice President made.

While we're on it. How have sex trafficking victims benefitted? What is the conservative point of view?

Quote by Chryses

As I reminded sprite, semantics is the meaning of words.

Our Vice President is not adept at semantics, and so has mistakenly stated the curriculum teaches how the enslaved benefitted from slavery, which it does not.

But it does. And you know that. You refusing to acknowledge what words mean won't change that, Chryses.

Students in Florida will learn in their Social Studies class that the enslaved gained benefits while enslaved.

And we all know that this is to downplay the horrors of slavery, which you'll also refuse to acknowledge.

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The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

Quote by Chryses

Only if it is taught the way you expect instead of the way Dr. Allen expects.

I expect it to be taught the way it explicitly states it will be taught on page 6 of the Florida State Academic Standards for Social Studies, which is not how it was romanticized by Dr. Allen.

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Quote by Chryses

I shall let you and the authors of the standard (and others) who disagree with the Vice President's words review the subject.

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Nighty night, Chryses. Let's try this again when you sober up, buddy.

I’m sure your pet Ironic will log on and avenge you by digging up posts of yours to agree with like a proper rubber stamp, making us all rue the day we pointed out the holes in your logic…or something.

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The Industrial Revolution was a turning point in our history. Machines and processes were invented that improved manufacturing and made Great Britain the world’s leading commercial power. Inventors like James Hargreaves and Richard Arkwright are celebrated. Their contributions are taught as part of the school curriculum and have inspired generations of innovators, all the way up to today’s Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos.

If you type “Industrial Revolution inventors” in a search engine, you may notice a pattern: all the inventors are male, and all are white. An Internet user could see this and think that this demographic was the sole contributor to the Industrial Revolution. More subtly, they could see all these white men and think – perhaps unconsciously – “this is what an innovator looks like”. 

Actually, the search engine obeys the same bias than the school curriculum: we look at patented innovations and connect them with economic developments to rate their historical significance. 

Here is the problem though. The Industrial Revolution happened between the mid-18th century and the end of the 19th century, when the Atlantic slave trade was in full force. In fact, the development of our textile industry is directly correlated with the expansion of labour camps in plantations in America, to produce cheap cotton. Black people were enslaved to work in these camps. Because they were enslaved, they were not allowed to own any property, including intellectual property. 

There are documented accounts for example of a blacksmith called Ned who lived in Mississippi and in the 1850s invented a cotton scraper for ploughing cotton fields. But he was enslaved by Oscar Stewart who tried to claim the patent for this invention, on the grounds that “the master has the same right to the fruits of the labor of the intilect [sic] of his slave”.

It is enraging to think of all the brilliant minds who should have been supported and were instead forced into gruesome, unpaid labour. This is something we unfortunately cannot change now. But here is what we can change: we can rehabilitate their legacies. 

We should do this because it is the fair thing to do, but also because of the positive impact it would have on society today. In the words of Lavinya Stennett who set up The Black Curriculum, a campaign for black British history to be embedded into the UK curriculum: “The school curriculum is very whitewashed, and black history is usually either omitted entirely, or taught only in terms of colonialism and slavery, rather than black people’s achievements.” 

Imagine the difference it would make if next time you typed “Industrial Revolution inventors” in your search engine you saw not only the well-known faces of James Watt and Samuel Morse but also the full diversity of men and women whose innovations ushered us into the modern age. Imagine the impact on Black pupils, and the careers they may choose to pursue. 

Here is a list of 10 Industrial Revolution Black innovators and how their contributions changed lives: ...

https://cecileblanc.com/2020/11/08/where-are-the-black-inventors-of-the-industrial-revolution/

It is telling that I had to find this article already written by someone from the UK. Imagine a journalist in Mississippi or Louisiana bothering to write this and then getting the go-ahead from an editor to publish it in a 'respectable' daily newspaper. Almost impossible to imagine this scenario, huh?

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

Quote by Ironic

That's right!

And here's what VP Harris said

"Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefitted from slavery. They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us and we will not stand for it."

What she said the benchmark clarification says isn’t what the document says.

Here's what the document says.

so... instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for personal benefit. kind of like how jews in auschwitz developed skills that could be applied for personal benefits. you'd have to be blind not to realize how insensitive a statement this would be to anyone with ancestors who were slaves. what kind of skills? how to take a whip? how to hold your tongue when you're being treated like an animal? how to give birth after being ? i mean, granted, they learned to pick cotton. pretty sure they were thankful for how far that got them in life. so, seriously now - why don't you list the skills that you personally think they benefitted in learning while being slaves?

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by WellMadeMale

The Industrial Revolution was a turning point in our history. Machines and processes were invented that improved manufacturing and made Great Britain the world’s leading commercial power. Inventors like James Hargreaves and Richard Arkwright are celebrated. Their contributions are taught as part of the school curriculum and have inspired generations of innovators, all the way up to today’s Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos.

If you type “Industrial Revolution inventors” in a search engine, you may notice a pattern: all the inventors are male, and all are white. An Internet user could see this and think that this demographic was the sole contributor to the Industrial Revolution. More subtly, they could see all these white men and think – perhaps unconsciously – “this is what an innovator looks like”. 

Actually, the search engine obeys the same bias than the school curriculum: we look at patented innovations and connect them with economic developments to rate their historical significance. 

Here is the problem though. The Industrial Revolution happened between the mid-18th century and the end of the 19th century, when the Atlantic slave trade was in full force. In fact, the development of our textile industry is directly correlated with the expansion of labour camps in plantations in America, to produce cheap cotton. Black people were enslaved to work in these camps. Because they were enslaved, they were not allowed to own any property, including intellectual property. 

There are documented accounts for example of a blacksmith called Ned who lived in Mississippi and in the 1850s invented a cotton scraper for ploughing cotton fields. But he was enslaved by Oscar Stewart who tried to claim the patent for this invention, on the grounds that “the master has the same right to the fruits of the labor of the intilect [sic] of his slave”.

It is enraging to think of all the brilliant minds who should have been supported and were instead forced into gruesome, unpaid labour. This is something we unfortunately cannot change now. But here is what we can change: we can rehabilitate their legacies. 

We should do this because it is the fair thing to do, but also because of the positive impact it would have on society today. In the words of Lavinya Stennett who set up The Black Curriculum, a campaign for black British history to be embedded into the UK curriculum: “The school curriculum is very whitewashed, and black history is usually either omitted entirely, or taught only in terms of colonialism and slavery, rather than black people’s achievements.” 

Imagine the difference it would make if next time you typed “Industrial Revolution inventors” in your search engine you saw not only the well-known faces of James Watt and Samuel Morse but also the full diversity of men and women whose innovations ushered us into the modern age. Imagine the impact on Black pupils, and the careers they may choose to pursue. 

Here is a list of 10 Industrial Revolution Black innovators and how their contributions changed lives: ...

https://cecileblanc.com/2020/11/08/where-are-the-black-inventors-of-the-industrial-revolution/

It is telling that I had to find this article already written by someone from the UK. Imagine a journalist in Mississippi or Louisiana bothering to write this and then getting the go-ahead from an editor to publish it in a 'respectable' daily newspaper. Almost impossible to imagine this scenario, huh?

That's one of the most infuriating parts of all of this. So many generational talents lost to slavery. Here's DeSantis stating that the enslaved "parleyed" skills they learned while enslaved (you know, to work for their masters) to their benefit:

The most insulting part of this entire notion of the enslaved learning skills is that Africans had fully formed societies before being forced into captivity, complete with their own social systems, governments, and skill sets. Skills that they likely already had before being forced to put them to use while enslaved, or skills they wouldn't otherwise have even needed had they been left the fuck alone.

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