Florida introduces curriculum that includes how slavery was beneficial for the slaves

In DeSantis' Florida - this will be on the cirriculum to teach their younger, developing minds. A complete white-washing of American history. [Edited by mod to remove unnecessary personal antagonizing]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people

Middle school students in Florida will soon be taught that slavery gave Black people a “personal benefit” because they “developed skills.”

After the Florida Board of Education approved new standards for African American history on Wednesday, high school students will be taught an equally distorted message: that a deadly white mob attack against Black residents of Ocoee, Florida, in 1920 included “acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans.”

Dozens of Black residents were killed in the massacre, which was perpetrated to stop them from voting.

According to members of the board, that distorted portrayal of the racist massacre is factually accurate. MaryLynn Magar, a member of the board appointed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, said at the board’s meeting in Orlando on Wednesday that “everything is there” in the new history standards and “the darkest parts of our history are addressed,” the Tallahassee Democrat reported.

The majority of the speakers who provided public testimony on the planned curriculum were vehemently opposed to it, warning that crucial context is omitted, atrocities are glossed over, and in some cases students will be taught to “blame the victim.”

Dude, you have got to work on your opening lines, lol.

But yes, we've seen this all before. Whitewash this country's history so no one has to be held accountable for it.

Hail (or is it 'heil'?) the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Btw. I guess it's also worth mentioning that during the Holocaust Jews benefitted when they got free gas.

Loving the thred title.

Very true.

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Loving the thred title.

Very true.

Imagine trying to get attention by being racist and terrible at spelling... damn.

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Imagine trying to get attention by being racist and terrible at spelling... damn.

The title made me laugh and the very true part was to what wellmademale and others posted, not about the title. Seeing as you need an explanation.

I'm constantly making typos, that's nothing new.

What else?

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The title made me laugh and the very true part was to what wellmademale and others posted, not about the title. Seeing as you need an explanation.

I'm constantly making typos, that's nothing new.

What else?

No one has ever misconstrued me as being racist. It's happened to you multiple times now, by multiple people though.. I wonder why? Maybe just a coinkidink.

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No one has ever misconstrued me as being racist. It's happened to you multiple times now, by multiple people though.. I wonder why? Maybe just a coinkidink.

I've stated that I am a racist but Mods have gotten upset about me being too honest.

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I've stated that I am a racist but Mods have gotten upset about me being too honest.

The mods have gotten upset about you being racist? What happened? Were you silenced or something?

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The mods have gotten upset about you being racist? What happened? Were you silenced or something?

Lol no. I just stated something about BLM and stated that I'm a racist.

Stop making me laugh at this hr.

We've gone off topic. Mods will close another thread lol

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Lol no. I just stated something about BLM and stated that I'm a racist.

Stop making me laugh at this hr.

We've gone off topic. Mods will close another thread lol

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Oh...... you're a crazy person... 👍

We all are.

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We all are.

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This thread is not about whether ImpureThoughts is a racist. Please get back on topic.

Ron DeSantis is a racist. He seems to be a very short version of Hitler, and wants to out Trump, Donald Trump.

Insinuating slaves benefitted from being slaves is an unforgivable bigoted racist act. So, DeSantis is quite okay with centuries of intense physical and mental abuse of people based on skin color.

DeSantis is quite okay with Black women being and used as sex slaves. He is okay with bull whips used on people at the whim if a 'white master'. He is okay with people being stolen from their homes on another continent, made into slaves, having families broken up by selling wives, husbands, and children to other white masters.

Besides being ultra short, DeSantis is a bigot and racist, and he is leading Florida back into the Jim Crowe Era, and wants to lead the USA backwards into that era.

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VP Harris’ statement that Florida’s black history curriculum includes lessons “that enslaved people benefited from slavery” isn’t true.

 

CNN political commentator calls out Kamala Harris over 'fabricated' claim on Florida curriculum. Mr. Jennings pointed to the statement of the African American scholars who wrote this standard who said her remarks were in error and “categorically false.”

The very last sentence on page 6 of the Florida's State Board of Education's new standards for Social Studies instruction states this:

"Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

I'll include the subsection from which I quoted this in full for context:

"Benchmark Clarifications:

Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

So how is it categorically false to claim that the curriculum includes lessons that enslaved people benefited from slavery when it's stated so explicitly in the curriculum?

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Because what she said the standards say, “enslaved people benefited from slavery”, isn’t what the standards say. Listen to the African American scholars who wrote this standard who said her remarks were in error and “categorically false.”

I listened to the scholar. He didn't clarify anything, he doubled down on what was said. His "clarification" was this: "It is the case that Africans proved resourceful, resilient, and adaptive, and were able to develop skills and aptitudes which served to their benefit both while enslaved and after their enslavement."

Semantics aside, none of this changes the fact that the curriculum (the 200+ page document is linked in the post you quoted) explicitly states that one of the benchmark clarifications is instruction that includes that "slaves developed skills, which in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

I would say this implies that enslaved people benefited from slavery, but it'd be a fallacy to call it an implication when it's stated so clearly, both by the scholar and written in the curriculum.

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Dr. Allen clarified that what VP Harris said was an error.

You disagree with him. OK.  We’re all free to disagree with what other people think is true.

Since he's a member of the team that wrote the standards in question, and he thinks what VP Harris said was wrong, I think he’s more likely correct than she is.

If you think VP Harris is right, then Dr. Allen doesn’t share your opinion.

The only way VP Harris is wrong is if the curriculum doesn't state that it plans to teach that slavery benefited the enslaved.

If the curriculum does state that it plans to teach that slavery benefited the enslaved, then based on facts, Dr. Allen is lying that VP Harris' statement is categorically false.

This isn't about my beliefs and opinions. The fact is that the curriculum explicitly states that it plans to teach how slavery benefited the enslaved.

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Like I said before, everybody's got a right to their opinions. Some opinions are more persuasive than others.

Since Dr. Allen's a member of the team that wrote the standards in question, and he thinks what VP Harris said was wrong, I think he’s more likely correct than she is. If you agree with her, then I think he's more likely correct than you are.

Does Florida's Social Studies curriculum state that it's going to teach that slavery benefited the enslaved?

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If Dr. Allen's right about the standard, It'll teach, "It is the case that Africans proved resourceful, resilient, and adaptive, and were able to develop skills and aptitudes which served to their benefit both while enslaved and after their enslavement."

That's not the same as "slavery benefited the enslaved."

What does this mean?

"Benchmark Clarifications:

Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

Those multitude of blue collar skills which the broken down 68 year old slave had acquired while working his entire life for his Master, really proved beneficial to him personally, (should he have been eventually set free).

Off the plantation with a tool kit of great skills to apply for the remainder of his life. In Alabama or Mississippi or some other shithole where slavery was not only encouraged but is now being lifted aloft and sung its praises.

Wonderful message to teach our junior high school students in America.

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What it means to you looks to be very different from what it means to Dr. Allen and the team that developed the standards.

His interpretation is probably the correct interpretation.

Then why wasn't his interpretation included in the curriculum if the intent was less unsavory than how it's depicted in the curriculum?

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His opinions are in the standards. VP Harris is the one misrepresenting what they are.

I've read all 216 pages of the standards (I'm a bit of a curriculum and instruction nerd). Nothing in the standards paints a picture of the resilience and adaptability of the enslaved.

It only mentions benefits to slaves at the bottom of page 6, where it's stated that students will learn instances of slavery being beneficial to the enslaved.

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You're entitled to your opinion, but I think Dr. Allen's interpretation, not VP Harris', is the interpretation that'll be presented to the students. After all, he helped write the standards, and he knows what he's talking about.

Seems like we both agree that students will be taught how slavery benefited the enslaved.

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Good for you! I didn’t expect you to change your mind about Dr. Allen’s standards that, as he’s said, VP Harris got wrong.

You had me convinced me that there’s nothing at all that would change your mind.

What was it?

I haven't changed my mind. I'm still singing my same tune that students in Florida will be learning about instances of slavery being beneficial to the enslaved, being that it's what's explicitly stated in the official standards on record for the Social Studies curriculum.

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OK. You've convinced me nothing at all would change your mind.

That's the way it goes sometimes.

The very last sentence on page 6 of the Florida's State Board of Education's new standards for Social Studies instruction states this:

"Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

I'll include the subsection from which I quoted this in full for context:

"Benchmark Clarifications:

Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

In this 216-page document, this is the only mention of slavery being beneficial to the enslaved in the curriculum, and it is done so without the context of the adaptability and resiliency of the enslaved.

The only thing that could change my mind is if this emphasis on the resiliency and adaptability of the enslaved is explicitly stated in the curriculum. But even then, that context wouldn't change the fact that students are going to be learning about how slavery benefited the enslaved. And I will change my mind completely when the curriculum on state record no longer reflects on page 6 (or any other pages) that students will be taught instances of slavery being beneficial to the enslaved. Quite simple, actually.

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Okie Dokie!

Dude. It’s literally the words in the benchmark clarification. "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit." Rarely are issues this cut and dried, but in this case reality has the upper hand.

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Dude. It’s literally the words in the benchmark clarification. "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit." Rarely are issues this cut and dried, but in this case reality has the upper hand.

Ironic lives in his own reality, E. you're kind of wasting your time. if it doesn't fit into his worldview, he translates it until it does and tells everyone else that don't understand what it's really saying.

Florida's governor wants to out-fascist Trump.

I wonder which slave skills the ultra- rightwing, white power Florida GOP likes the best?

1. The ability to take a long, skin-ripping beating by leather bullwhip.

2. Being put into a tiny hothouse for days without food and minimum water for speaking the wrong words.

3. Not being allowed to learn to read and write.

4. Having to work from well before sun up to well after sundown in extreme conditions with no right to ask for a break, and physical repercussions fir complaining.

5. Being chattel (the personal property of another human.)

6. Often having one's whife, husband, children, parents sold away to another master.

7. Developing sex skills in order to meet the sexual demands and molestation of one's owner, in. being a victim.

8. Being hunted down and lynched after being caught trying to escape to freedom.

9. Having no control over one's own life.

10. Being forced to live in nasty, inhumane conditions, often shackled.

11. Being told you're less than human.

I bet you the slaves who had a chance to become a plantation accountant, plantation general manager, plantation comptroller or Chief Plantation mechanic were really upset when some white guy was awarded those jobs instead.