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Ok, so the problem with blaming theft on company losses is there is no standardized record keeping and largely wild guesses. Basically all national data is compiled from retailer filled out surveys. In truth, the number reported year to year seems to fluctuate between 1.4 and 1.6%. Last year’s survey had 1.6%.

Now into the meat of the matter, companies love to blame shrink on losses. Simple answer as to why is this; stockholders are more forgiving to theft than gross mismanagement. In truth more money has been paid out to CEO’s last year than reported theft.

So when you close four stores in a busy area you tell your stockholders it’s because of the nebulous and unprovable void of ‘theft’ and not ‘our business practices make employee retention impossible so we’re constantly understaffed and paying out overtime.’

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/18/business/retail-shoplifting-shrink-walgreens/index.html

Edit: Personal anecdote on this subject. Found out a grocery store manager frequently listed expired product as shrink. His bonuses were partially tied to keeping waste low. Throw out 50lbs of expired produce. Mark it as Shrink instead of food waste, his bonus stayed intact.

If you want to research the worst type of theft in America, retail theft is a drop in the bucket.

Check out wage theft, which by all estimates costs Americans more every year than every other kind of theft combined.

It’s also damn near impossible to report, has no penalties beyond fines (which are generally much cheaper than paying out the employees), and funnels money from the poorest to richest en masse.

Remember, in America if you steal $200 from the register you can be arrested. If your employee shorts your paycheck $200 it’s a 9 month court process that caries no criminal penalties.

https://www.workingnowandthen.com/blog/wage-theft-the-50-billion-crime-against-workers/

Wage theft has zero consequences. You may have to pay back a fraction of what you stole and there’s only two states that have ever attempted to press criminal charges for the practice.

Quote by ElCoco

You know, this thread isn't about wage theft. If you feel strongly enough about that, how about starting a thread about it?

Your thread is a bust again… only real reply was to set you straight about how bogus retail theft as an excuse for your business failing is.

Sad.

Quote by ElCoco

You know, this thread isn't about wage theft. If you feel strongly enough about that, how about starting a thread about it?

Why do you feign poor reading comprehension to keep your personal politics intact? Is it really so scary to accept new information and evolve your thinking?

Unless your intellectual prowess is truly as you make it seem. In which case I’m sorry, I don’t like punching down.

Quite frankly, this thread title lends itself perfectly for bringing up retail wage theft. In fact, that's organized crime on a much larger corporate scale.

Don't whine and complain when a thread expands within the subject title to include the views of others and views you do not like.

Retail businesses are hurting from online competition, theft (which us out if control), and lack of employee loyalty (which is the businesses own fault) due to low pay and lack of health insurance, and often penalizing employees for confronting theft. Stores are so afraid of being sued, they've limited what employees can do to stop the thieves.

If you are investing savings, it is probably not wise to invest in retail business.

Quote by Buz

Retail businesses are hurting from online competition, theft (which us out if control), and lack of employee loyalty (which is the businesses own fault) due to low pay and lack of health insurance, and often penalizing employees for confronting theft. Stores are so afraid of being sued, they've limited what employees can do to stop the thieves.

If you are investing savings, it is probably not wise to invest in retail business.

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It's sad to say, but your argument makes sense.

I'm surprised that I agree.

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Retail businesses are hurting from online competition, theft (which us out if control), and lack of employee loyalty (which is the businesses own fault) due to low pay and lack of health insurance, and often penalizing employees for confronting theft. Stores are so afraid of being sued, they've limited what employees can do to stop the thieves.

Based on this and the obscene compensation given to upper management (the real organized retail crime), I divorced myself from all retail holdings several years ago. Like many ex's, I do not regret it a whit and am thankful I did.

I find it hard to shed a tear for Target. Big box chains discourage small business retailers and create consumer hegemony (every store is the same, offering the same products). They've been destroying community-based businesses for decades due to their unfair business practices. This in turn helps to produce the poverty which leads to theft. Hopefully the store closings will make space for more local businesses to thrive now. If you're going to steal, better to steal from a large overpowered faceless corporation than a 'mom and pop' small business owner.

Don't believe everything that you read.

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If Chicago makes enough changes to make it possible to operate profitably, maybe mom-and-pop stores will provide grocery and other shopping services to those communities. Even if the cost to the shoppers will be higher, at least they'll be able to do their shopping locally.

You keep trying to make this about crime and lawlessness but ignore the conditions that produce higher crime rates, which are at least partly due to poverty and loss of community - both things that mega-corporations actively contribute to.

But, you do have a point (even if we have to come at it somewhat sideways) that big box stores allow for relatively low-cost retail which ultimately serves those at the lower rungs of the economic ladder. At WalMart "The lowest price is the law" (at least that used to be their slogan at one point). However, if you look at what's behind those lower prices, you'll find exploitation and system-rigging. As I mentioned, big-box corporations use their size to buy products in bulk at a steep savings, often forcing manufacturers to undercut themselves in order to secure large contracts. Manufacturers then need to explore their own cost-cutting strategies which often comes from reducing the quality of products, and paying workers less while requiring greater productivity from them. Because we have things in the US like a relatively high minimum wage, it makes "made in the USA" cost prohibitive, and so the big boxes source their products from overseas (this is really where jobs are going - they're not being stolen by immigrants, they're being given away by corporations). So, more people are out of work, those who do work aren't making enough, and the monopoly of retail corporations gives them an unfair competitive advantage over smaller business, essentially meaning that unless you get extremely lucky, any small business retail venture you'd care to start is doomed to fail in a market saturated by chains that are bigger, wealthier, and more powerful than you could ever hope to be. The entry price to starting a business is way too high for the majority of Americans and American corporate greed at the top is murdering the American dream for the rest.

Of course, the exploitation doesn't end at our borders but preys on the most vulnerable globally. These corporations lobby foreign governments to relax labor laws to the point where they've basically recreated abusive endentured servitude under incredibly hazardous conditions in these places in order to keep production costs low. Does it comfort you to know that children are starving so you can save $5 on your next pair of shoes (the retail cost of which is already highly inflated above the production cost so retailers can maximize their profits at a minimal expense?).

Furthermore, as producers, pressured by big-box retailers cut quality to cut costs, we’re finding that things are breaking down at a faster and faster rate. Products are not being designed to last forever, but to have a limited life and need to be replaced periodically. That’s good for business as it means repeat customers, but it’s a negative for consumers as they keep having to buy the same shitty product over and over again. The things that break down end up in land fills creating an environmental impact which is also ruining the planet for future generations and will almost certainly hit those in poverty first and hardest.

Big boxes also have destroyed communities. As I mentioned earlier, they discourage competition from small business. The loss of small business means that communities lose their distinctive qualities and character. They become less of a place to take pride in, and more like an impersonal anywhere else. Then you have the issue of space usage - where a big box like Walmart or Target (along with it's massive parking lot) could occupy the space of a city block. That city block would have been host to a number of shops where shoppers could stroll and get to know each other as they interact. A thriving city block can contribute to civic-mindedness which is an antidote for crime because people are looking out for each other. As a shopper you can take pride in financially supporting your local community. With big boxes, that money is extracted from the community and centralized at some headquarter located probably somewhere far away, which also contributes to impoverishing said community.

So, no, I'm not going to cry for corporations because someone shoplifted a pack of socks from Target. Fuck them.

Don't believe everything that you read.

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They're broken and need to be fixed, and it's the responsibility of the politicians to correct broken policies... I don't think it's penny-ante shoplifting that caused Walmart and Target to close their stores.

The second point first - as many people have already said, it's Walmart and Target's failing business model which was upended by the internet (in itself problematic as it represents a further concentration of power and disconnect from local communities) which is leading to the brick and mortar store closings. The shoplifting excuse hasn't really been borne out by the facts and is more a matter of corporate face-saving than a serious problem.

But yes, we agree that the solution is most likely going to need to be strongly political. Expecting corporations to police themselves has been disastrous. No corporation is going to voluntarily put themselves at a competitive disadvantage in order to 'do the right thing' without being required by law to do so. So, it's necessary to reign in their excesses through legislation and regulation that compels them all equally to behave responsibly with regard toward society.

Don't believe everything that you read.

Quote by ElCoco

You know, this thread isn't about wage theft. If you feel strongly enough about that, how about starting a thread about it?

How does wage theft not relate to organized retail crime when wage theft is one of the most rampant and under-prosecuted forms of retail crime? Not fitting with your rhetoric is not the same as being off topic. Learn the difference and leave the moderating to the moderators. Please and thank you.

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Big corporations sucks the life out of everything that comes near. It's the greed of the owners, and the fact that owners are even expected to operate in such a greedy way, that smaller partners and employees get exploited.

Capitalism, as we know it today, is not sustainable.


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Big corporations sucks the life out of everything that comes near. It's the greed of the owners, and the fact that owners are even expected to operate in such a greedy way, that smaller partners and employees get exploited.

Capitalism, as we know it today, is not sustainable.

Yeah but a Target store is closing in California because of Democrat policies, keep up

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Yeah but a Target store is closing in California because of Democrat policies, keep up

Corporate greed is not just a Republican things, so you might be right.


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Corporate greed is not just a Republican things, so you might be right.

No no no, not that, democrats let people steal. Especially if you’re not white. Democrats legalized theft.

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Wrong again. State Attornies let people steal by not arresting and prosecuting the thieves.

You are mistaken, democrats passed laws to legalize theft and now there are no Targets or Nordstrom’s or anything left. I haven’t eaten or worn clothes in 3 weeks actually.

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Wrong again. State Attornies let people steal by not arresting and prosecuting the thieves.

I think this kind of large-scale looting is a new kind of beast.

They seem extremely well-funded and organized, and even sport matching equipment and vehicles and clothing. Maybe someone is taking a cut of the profits, but I think this is the work of a heavily monied group bent on chaos and disruption, with the profit motive being secondary. Maybe it's Putin, maybe it's Soros, maybe it's the Koch brothers, maybe it's the frikkin Illuminati, I don't know. But this kind of organized mass looting is something new in American culture, and it frightens me.

It's not because of weak prosecutors and attorney generals, I don't think.

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The new zero-bail policy of Los Angeles takes effect now that the judge ruled that cash bail discriminates against minorities and the poor.

The new law comes as officials in LA say organized crime and the pandemic-era zero cash bail is to blame for a recent spate of smash-and-grab raids, with robberies jumping 10 percent last year and nearly 580,000 larcenies reported to the police. 

We need only wait to see what effect that has on the organized retail crime in that city.

We have evidence from multiple cities that have taken up this policy. It’s fewer to the same crime rates.

Maybe a system that keeps poor people incarcerated for months and months without trial because they are too poor to afford bail is inherently broken.

Profits should not take precedence over individual’s rights and freedoms. Many people will plead guilty to crimes they haven’t committed because it’s generally less time in jail than fighting the charges.

In California alone there are around 45,000 people in jail who have not been tried or convicted of anything, 3/4th of the jail population.

This is simply a war on the poor, who will lose their jobs during incarceration and be forced to work for 17 cents an hour.

Slavery was never outlawed in the United States. It’s still legal, just for prisoners. Specifically, poor prisoners who can’t afford to fight it.

Meanwhile white collar crime comes with little to no prison time. Trump is in court for 250 million in tax fraud. He will face no jail time if convicted. There’s a man in a New Orleans prison who has served 40 years of a life sentence so far for stealing a pair of garden sheers from a neighbor. Unless he’s dead. He’s pretty old now.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/midday-edition/2021/03/31/waiting-justice-defendants-locked-years-awaiting-t

Or do you want to talk about how you arrest a person for stealing a pack of diapers and keeping them in jail for 6 months waiting for a trial costs tax payers about $50,000?

*Mod edited summary: "I had a brief moment of clarity, but it's gone again, and I'm back to bickering with Chryses."

Is someone asking for link sausage again,

Hey, $500 constitutes a felony in Georgia. Which makes a lot more sense than $1000 in New York. Seriously, New York is inviting shoplifting, smash & grab, whatever.

But l doubt the lower amount felony would get one sent to Reidsville State Penitentiary. You don't want to be sent to Reidsville. However, if the criminal gets the wrong judge, fucking Reidsville might be it.

Have enough common sense to not steal.

I really do HATE thieves!

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And when I can and have provided links to reports that contradict your beliefs, you deny their validity. That is a straightforward, if tired, approach.

It looks like he took a page out of your playback, Chryses. That's pretty funny. But even funnier is you pretending to complain about it.

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And when I can and have provided links to reports that contradict your beliefs, you deny their validity. That is a straightforward, if tired, approach.

Your supporting "evidence" is more often than not disreputable, biased nonsense. If you provide shit sources, be prepared to have shit sources be called out. It's not an "approach" it's a fact.

A tired approach would be you picking apart others' statements and taking it out of context because of the threat doing otherwise would pose to your devotion to circumventing logic and actually engaging in the subject at hand.

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Organized Retail Crime is not done by poor shoplifters taking one or two items. They are coordinated groups that utilize multiple resources to steal high value goods, from mainly large retailers, to sell online through various platforms. They target goods that are easy to sell- clothes, appliances, tools, electronics for example. Some are gangs that sell to the people in their neighborhoods, making a profit on the goods, most are more organized and take the stolen items to the online seller. Many have warehouses full of stolen merchandise that they sell online.

It can have very detrimental consequences on neighborhoods, and bitch all you want, the retailer is there to make profits by selling products, and if profit suffers substantially the retailer closes. It applies to businesses of all sizes, not just the corporate giants.

Regardless of your politics, it is a real problem adding to the poverty and decay of numerous neighborhoods in multiple cities, and a growing challenge to overcome.

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Organized Retail Crime is not done by poor shoplifters taking one or two items. They are coordinated groups that utilize multiple resources to steal high value goods, from mainly large retailers, to sell online through various platforms. They target goods that are easy to sell- clothes, appliances, tools, electronics for example. Some are gangs that sell to the people in their neighborhoods, making a profit on the goods, most are more organized and take the stolen items to the online seller. Many have warehouses full of stolen merchandise that they sell online.

It can have very detrimental consequences on neighborhoods, and bitch all you want, the retailer is there to make profits by selling products, and if profit suffers substantially the retailer closes. It applies to businesses of all sizes, not just the corporate giants.

Regardless of your politics, it is a real problem adding to the poverty and decay of numerous neighborhoods in multiple cities, and a growing challenge to overcome.

It’s a crime generated by another crime. Why are there poor communities? Why do people need to rely on third party discount websites instead of the retailers?

Property crimes rise with poverty. America is funneling more money into low percentage crime deterrents than dealing with poverty.

And for all these talks on warehouses and highly organized gangs the police have made 11 arrests in three years tied to organized retail crimes and have yet to actually prove these warehouses exist. The supply chain and mass consumerism of stolen goods would be impossible to hide.

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And for all these talks on warehouses and highly organized gangs the police have made 11 arrests in three years tied to organized retail crimes and have yet to actually prove these warehouses exist. The supply chain and mass consumerism of stolen goods would be impossible to hide.

They are everywhere, from residential houses and garages, strip malls and storage units to large warehouses disguised as legitimate businesses. They hide well and sell items individually on multiple platforms and websites.

Organized crime is not stupid, it’s very clever and difficult to prove, much like white collar crime. It’s just dealing in a different economy.