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Why does it bother so many people from other countries what we do here in the greatest nation on earth? We like guns, it was our right given to us by the founders of this nation and yes we will defend that right. Once we become a defenseless population, what is there to stop us from becoming a communist country or run by dictators and what would be a deterant from other countries coming here to take over? Yes we have different points of view on things then some, obviously so do you. We do what we feel is right and you do the same. Just because we are pro guns doesn't mean we are pro killing. If that were the case the only one in this country would be the best gunman. The perception of our country from others blows my mind. Then to get on here and be an internet bad ass, like you know what its like over here, and start knocking our dick in the dirt. SMH

Greatest nation on Earth? Debatable and transient. Several countries have had that accolade and not one was permanent.
Right to bear arms? Adapt the meaning to suit NRA and the gun fanatics.
Communist country? You are a democracy. Countries became communist after tyrants, despots etc.
As for perception of countries! Look in the mirror on that one. Your foriegn policy has been one of the most catastrophic in the history of modern times. How many times have you intervened in another country, only to see it go pear shaped? Then go to war to stop the very thing you created?
Keep your guns, who cares? Just don't be shedding crocodile tears, or coming out with the meaningless platitudes next time a school is attacked. Just pray that you aren't the parent or grandparent of a victim, or even worse, a perpetrator!
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I am sure many do, however with such a large populous as well as an enshrined historical belief of entitlement to bear arms such incidents just become statistics.
No changes, just a clear illustration of the power and mechanism of lobbying.


Please do not become jaded by the vast number of narrow minded sensationalists and their weird gun boners.

Most rational Americans understand the need for better gun regulation in this country. Furthermore, we understand that the right to bear arms does not mean to do so irresponsibly and without restriction.

Also, we are not all of us callous enough to chalk up a tragedy to another statistic or hiccup in the grand scheme of the whole gun thing. We can recognize a preventable tragedy when we see one.

Unfortunately, a great number of the lobbyists tend to be of the irrational variety.

But to say it's all just a numbers game for Americans as a whole is misguided at best.

Sweeping generalizations are part of the problem as it is, so throwing your own into the mix definitely doesn't help. So saying we see tragedy differently simply because, well, America is grossly unfair. Especially when one is trying to promote unity.

"Fuck off America. No one needs your solidarity because, guns." Is that something you wanna stand behind?

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Yeah just ask the widow's in New York.


I assume you're talking about Eric Garner's widow? Or maybe Amadou Diallo's? Or Akai Gurley's? Or do you want to spread it out a little, and include the other 50 states? List is going to get very long, if you do....

Rumain Brisbon, 34, Phoenix, Ariz.—Dec. 2, 2014

Tamir Rice, 12, Cleveland, Ohio—Nov. 22, 2014

Akai Gurley, 28, Brooklyn, NY—Nov. 20, 2014

Kajieme Powell, 25, St. Louis, Mo.—August 19, 2014

Ezell Ford, 25, Los Angeles, Calif.—August 12, 2014

Dante Parker, 36, San Bernardino County, Calif.—August 12, 2014

Michael Brown, 18, Ferguson, Mo.—August 9, 2014

John Crawford III, 22, Beavercreek, Ohio—August 5, 2014

Tyree Woodson, 38, Baltimore, Md.—August 2, 2014

Eric Garner, 43, New York, N.Y.—July 17, 2014

Victor White III, 22, Iberia Parish, La.—March 22, 2014

Yvette Smith, 47, Bastrop, Texas—February 16, 2014

McKenzie Cochran, 25, Southfield, Mich.—January 28, 2014

Jordan Baker, 26, Houston, Texas—January 16, 2014

Andy Lopez, 13, Santa Rosa, Calif.—October 22, 2013

Miriam Carey, 34, Washington, D.C.—October 3, 2013

Jonathan Ferrell, 24, Bradfield Farms, N.C.—September 14, 2013

Carlos Alcis, 43, New York, N.Y.—August 15, 2013

Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr., 32, Austin, Texas—July 26, 2013

Deion Fludd, 17, New York, N.Y.—May 5, 2013

Kimani Gray, 16, New York, N.Y.—March 9, 2013

Johnnie Kamahi Warren, 43, Dotham, Ala.—December 10, 2012

Malissa Williams, 30, and Timothy Russell, 43, Cleveland, Ohio—November 29, 2012

Reynaldo Cuevas, 20, New York, N.Y.—September 7, 2012

Chavis Carter, 21, Jonesboro, Ark.—July 29, 2012

Shantel Davis, 23, New York, N.Y.—June 14, 2012

Sharmel Edwards, 49, Las Vegas, Nev.—April 21, 2012

Tamon Robinson, 27, New York, N.Y.—April 18, 2012

Ervin Jefferson, 18, Atlanta, Ga.—March 24, 2012

Kendrec McDade, 19, Pasadena, Calif.—March 24, 2012

Rekia Boyd, 22, Chicago, Ill.—March 21, 2012

Shereese Francis, 30, New York, N.Y.—March 15, 2012

Wendell Allen, 20, New Orleans, La.—March 7, 2012

Nehemiah Dillard, 29, Gainesville, Fla.—March 5, 2012

Dante Price, 25, Dayton, Ohio—March 1, 2012

Raymond Allen, 34, Galveston, Texas—February 27, 2012

Sgt. Manuel Loggins, Jr., 31, Orange County, Calif.—February 7, 2012

Ramarley Graham, 18, New York, N.Y.—February 2, 2012

Kenneth Chamberlain, 68, White Plains, N.Y.—November 19, 2011

Alonzo Ashley, 29, Denver, Colo.—July 18, 2011

Kenneth Harding, 19, San Francisco, Calif.—July 16, 2011

Raheim Brown, 20, Oakland, Calif.—January 22, 2011

Reginald Doucet, 25, Los Angeles, Calif.—January 14, 2011

Derrick Jones, 37, Oakland, Calif.—November 8, 2010

Danroy Henry, 20, Thornwood, N.Y.—October 17, 2010

Aiyana Jones, 7, Detroit, Mich.—May 16, 2010

Steven Eugene Washington, 27, Los Angeles, CA—March 20, 2010

Aaron Campbell, 25, Portland, Ore.—January 29, 2010

Kiwane Carrington, 15, Champaign, Ill.—October 9, 2009

Victor Steen, 17, Pensacola, Fla.—October 3, 2009

Shem Walker, 49, New York, N.Y.—July 11, 2009

Oscar Grant, 22, Oakland, Calif.—January 1, 2009

Tarika Wilson, 26, Lima, Ohio—January 4, 2008

DeAunta Terrel Farrow, 12, West Memphis, Ark.—July 22, 2007

Sean Bell, 23, New York, N.Y.—November 25, 2006

Henry Glover, 31, New Orleans, La.—September 2, 2005

Ronald Madison, 40, and James Brisette, 17, New Orleans, La.—Sept. 4, 2005

Timothy Stansbury, 19, New York, N.Y.—January 24, 2004

Alberta Spruill, 57, New York, N.Y.—May 16, 2003

Ousmane Zongo, 43, New York, N.Y.—May 22, 2003

Orlando Barlow, 28, Las Vegas, Nev.—February 28, 2003

Timothy Thomas, 19, Cincinnati, Ohio—April 7, 2001

Prince Jones, 25, Fairfax County, Va.—Sept. 1, 2000

Ronald Beasley, 36, and Earl Murray, 36, Dellwood, Mo.—June 12, 2000

Patrick Dorismond, 26, New York, NY—March 16, 2000

Malcolm Ferguson, 23, New York, N.Y.—March 1, 2000

Amadou Diallo, 23, New York, N.Y.—Feb. 4, 1999

Look them up, every last one of them. Look up the 7 year old girl killed when cops threw a grenade into her room. Look up Amadou who was shot 19 times, 42 shots fired in total by 4 cops - he was armed with a wallet and had committed no crime, nor was acting suspicious. Look them up - they all had families. Mothers, fathers, spouses, children.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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I assume you're talking about Eric Garner's widow? Or maybe Amadou Diallo's? Or Akai Gurley's? Or do you want to spread it out a little, and include the other 50 states? List is going to get very long, if you do.


Yeah I know it will. I was being as "flip" as you were.
We disagree. Enuf said. You and the other liperals on here are certain that anyone who DOESN'T agree with you about guns must be some ignorant lout and are convinced that you're vastly more intelligent. I'm not.
Fantasy is great...HERE...on this adult fantasy site. But, buying into the FANTASY that someone someday will pass some magical legislation that criminals will CHOSE to obey is a different matter. I'm very used to living a normal life but SURVIVING on those occasions when life makes it necessary in THE REAL WORLD.
How you or anyone else CHOOSES to live is your right and your business. Now, if those of us who've put our lives on the line for YOUR rights could only be ALLOWED to enjoy THOSE SAME RIGHTS. But, that is ALWAYS asking too much when you liperals decide that YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR US ALL.
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Yeah I know it will. I was being as "flip" as you were.
We disagree. Enuf said. You and the other liperals on here are certain that anyone who DOESN'T agree with you about guns must be some ignorant lout and are convinced that you're vastly more intelligent. I'm not.
Fantasy is great...HERE...on this adult fantasy site. But, buying into the FANTASY that someone someday will pass some magical legislation that criminals will CHOSE to obey is a different matter. I'm very used to living a normal life but SURVIVING on those occasions when life makes it necessary in THE REAL WORLD.
How you or anyone else CHOOSES to live is your right and your business. Now, if those of us who've put our lives on the line for YOUR rights could only be ALLOWED to enjoy THOSE SAME RIGHTS. But, that is ALWAYS asking too much when you liperals decide that YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR US ALL.


No. I think that there have been some very sensible posts on here by people who are supporters of gun rights. As I have said over and over, I support the right for people to own guns as long as their are laws in place that make sense, that keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and there needs to be an understanding that certain types of weapons should not be allowed by the common citizen.

Fantasy IS great. THe fantasy that owning a gun makes you something special, some sort of freedom fighter or warrior or it makes you sexy or more manly. I get that. Will criminals magically start obeying gun laws? No. How about, though, if we make it so that your run of the day non criminals aren't accidentally shooting other non criminals? How about if we ask the cops to look for other means of stopping someone other than shooting them 6,7,a dozen times. How about if we ask that people take gun safety courses and act responsibly? Is that too much to ask? Does everyone need to carry a gun around to prove they've got testicles the sized of bowling balls?

And yes, how I choose to live my life IS my right. I choose to live my life not living in fear that some gun happy citizen or cop shoots me or those I love. I choose to look for ways to solve crime and other issues beyond the use of deadly force. I choose to believe that my goverenment isn't interested in taking away my rights at gunpoint simply because I don't own a gun.

And dude? How has your putting your life on the line done me any good? I'm not belittling your service, mind you, but the last time I checked, no one's invaded Seattle, no ones driven their tank up to my house and tried to blow me up, and i KNOW i never asked you to put your life on the line for my rights which, btw, many of which have been secured have been through protests, petetions, and votes - listen, dude, this isn't 1776 anymore, or even the 40's...

And yes, you are right about one thing - I DO know what's best for us. Not getting shot and killed by trigger happy idiots is best for us, liberal and conservative alike. smile

Btw, one of the rights I enjoy? Being married to a person of the same sex. Pretty sure I didn't earn that one because of military intervention somewhere.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Enough already!!!! I own guns. My children have been strictly taught gun safety
. They now own guns and there children will be trained in gun safety and also own guns. It was the way of our for fathers and is a freedom I have. Gun in the hands of responsible people are not the problem. People kill people guns don't.
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I'm very used to living a normal life but SURVIVING on those occasions when life makes it necessary in THE REAL WORLD.


btw? I have survived 32 years without a gun. I have gone through some crazy shit in that time and still, I choose not to carry one. I have never found it necessary and I can't imagine a scenario when I would and yes, I live in the REAL WORLD. You have no idea how real my world is.

In the words of a great man, one whom I hold in very high esteem:

In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

MLK Jr.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Enough already!!!! I own guns. My children have been strictly taught gun safety
. They now own guns and there children will be trained in gun safety and also own guns. It was the way of our for fathers and is a freedom I have. Gun in the hands of responsible people are not the problem. People kill people guns don't.


Yeah, but guns make it one hell of a lot easier to kill. Pretty hard to kill someone with a paper airplane, though I'm sure it could be done. Holding slaves, btw, was also a way of our fore-fathers. Pretty sure we don't want to bring that back into fashion.

btw, yes, guns in the hands of responsible people IS Not the problem. Said it until I'm blue in the face. My issue is that everyone who has the right to own a gun, at present, isn't necessarily responsible.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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As a combat vet I understand how dangerous weapons are. As a conservative I support the right to own guns, however not without sensible controls. Children being killed or maimed by weapons is appalling. I choose not to own a weapon in my home. I believe that if you own one that you should be legally responsible for that weapon. The second amendment talks about choice just as Roe Wade talks about choice. I choose not to have a gun as i would encourage women to not have an abortion.
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As a combat vet I understand how dangerous weapons are. As a conservative I support the right to own guns, however not without sensible controls. Children being killed or maimed by weapons is appalling. I choose not to own a weapon in my home. I believe that if you own one that you should be legally responsible for that weapon. The second amendment talks about choice just as Roe Wade talks about choice. I choose not to have a gun as i would encourage women to not have an abortion.


THANK you. See? This is all I ask. Gun safety. Act responsibly. Don't think it's your right to own assault rifles or machine guns. That is all I've ever asked. It's this simple. I just want to see laws in place that don't allow THIS to occur!

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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btw? I have survived 32 years without a gun. I have gone through some crazy shit in that time and still, I choose not to carry one. I have never found it necessary and I can't imagine a scenario when I would and yes, I live in the REAL WORLD. You have no idea how real my world is.

In the words of a great man, one whom I hold in very high esteem:

In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

MLK Jr.


Yes he was a great man, and yes; I do value his words. That however does NOT mean that the entire rest of the world WILL cooperate. On those rare occasions when they don't, the prepared live and the unprepared die. I prefer living thanks.
Oh and BTW it's ALREADY illegal for anyone but Mike Bloomberg's body guards to own full auto "machine guns or assault rifles". A semi auto is NOT an "assault rifle" thanks. That term is used to describe guns that are NOT and never will be used by anyone's military. (Which technically means that the prohibition against those IS a violation of the INTENT of the 2nd amendment.)
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Lawful gun owners are not our problem!!!!!! The black market guns are wake up! If someone wa Td a gun bad enough they get one. Cocaine is not leagal but that's not stoping any people from doing it. Stricter laws yes I agree but you will never take my freedom!!!!!!
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Yes he was a great man, and yes; I do value his words. That however does NOT mean that the entire rest of the world WILL cooperate. On those rare occasions when they don't, the prepared live and the unprepared die. I prefer living thanks.


I will be happy to eat every word I've said here the moment North Korea puts a battalion of tanks on shore in Seattle. Until then... smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Lawful gun owners are not our problem!!!!!! The black market guns are wake up! If someone wa Td a gun bad enough they get one. Cocaine is not leagal but that's not stoping any people from doing it. Stricter laws yes I agree but you will never take my freedom!!!!!!


Dude...take a breather and actually read a response...no one's said anything contrary to what you've just said.

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Lawful gun owners are not our problem!!!!!! The black market guns are wake up! If someone wa Td a gun bad enough they get one. Cocaine is not leagal but that's not stoping any people from doing it. Stricter laws yes I agree but you will never take my freedom!!!!!!


Someones been watching Braveheart a few too many times. smile



btw, who was talking about taking away your freedom? No one here, I assure you.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Lawful gun owners are not our problem!!!!!! The black market guns are wake up! If someone wa Td a gun bad enough they get one. Cocaine is not leagal but that's not stoping any people from doing it. Stricter laws yes I agree but you will never take my freedom!!!!!!


The only problem is that more laws are NOT needed what IS needed is ENFORCEMENT of the ones that ALREADY EXIST. So, it's just a "whittling" process by means of which ever further inroads are made until nothing remains. Those who would take our rights from us KNOW that they can not get it done in one big bite...so they settle for little ones.
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The only problem is that more laws are NOT needed what IS needed is ENFORCEMENT of the ones that ALREADY EXIST. So, it's just a "whittling" process by means of which ever further inroads are made until nothing remains. Those who would take our rights from us KNOW that they can not get it done in one big bite...so they settle for little ones.


paranoid much?

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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I will be happy to eat every word I've said here the moment North Korea puts a battalion of tanks on shore in Seattle. Until then... smile


A battalion? Hmmm I seem to recall a man who CONTROLLED and entire battalion he'd taken POW with an EMPTY bolt action rifle. In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king. In a world without guns a man with a revolver is too!
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I am a gun owner and get very angry at idiots who abuse their right to own a gun and even angrier at criminals who posses and use guns illegally. Of course using a gun in a crime already adds years to the sentence. Maybe that should be increased.

There are way too many gun safety classes available for anyone owning a gun not to take the class. If a gun accident happens, it IS caused by negligence and is inexcusable. Guns should be safely stored where children cannot get to them. That is NOT hard to do, not all all. If a person can afford a gun, they can afford a gun lock or a gun safe.

And neighborhood watch trolls, er... I mean patrols (I do mean trolls) carrying guns should be liable for huge damages in civil court even if criminal court let them go. I also think subdivision boards and neighborhood watch organizations would sure put an end to that happening once they were successfully sued. Civil court does not require the overwhelming evidence that criminal court does. It should be used. Lawyers!?
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Sorry deep breath haaaaaaa


It's all good.

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Just one crazy question. What is the first thing every despot or tyrant does when they come to power?
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paranoid much?


Hilarious. THIS is what I'm used to hearing from people who ARE paranoid. Individuals more afraid of fellow law abiding citizens with guns than they are concerned about criminals whose intent is to harm them. Twisted logic at best.

Oh and regarding your "battalion" remark (as my comment to THAT didn't post. As I recall Sgt Alvin York controlled an entire battalion he'd taken POW with an EMPTY bolt action rifle... BECAUSE "In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king". AND, in the kingdom of the unarmed he who HAS a gun IS also!
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Enough already!!!! I own guns. My children have been strictly taught gun safety
. They now own guns and there children will be trained in gun safety and also own guns. It was the way of our for fathers and is a freedom I have. Gun in the hands of responsible people are not the problem. People kill people guns don't.


Is that what you tell 2 year olds that accidentally shoot their "responsible" gun nut parents?

We have too many guns and maybe that's why we have thousands and thousands of gun deaths every year.
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Just one crazy question. What is the first thing every despot or tyrant does when they come to power?


Gets a really bad haircut.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Hilarious. THIS is what I'm used to hearing from people who ARE paranoid. Individuals more afraid of fellow law abiding citizens with guns than they are concerned about criminals whose intent is to harm them. Twisted logic at best.

Oh and regarding your "battalion" remark (as my comment to THAT didn't post. As I recall Sgt Alvin York controlled an entire battalion he'd taken POW with an EMPTY bolt action rifle... BECAUSE "In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king". AND, in the kingdom of the unarmed he who HAS a gun IS also!


Alvin York was a solider in wwI - i kind of expect him to carry a gun - that's his job. Last I heard we don't have a war going on in the states.

so, by your statement, you're backing me up - guns give you a sense of power. good for you. the thought, btw, that i am the paranoid one, is laughable. Really, I don't know why i bother. I'm done with this 'debate' and with you. It's pointless. Go play with your guns - just keep them the hell away from me. smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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Is that what you tell 2 year olds that accidentally shoot their "responsible" gun nut parents?

We have too many guns and maybe that's why we have thousands and thousands of gun deaths every year.


If their two year old got ahold of their gun, they were not responsible gun owners. Responsible gun owners do not leaave guns where two year olds can get them. Guns are not the problem, stupid people are the problem.
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If their two year old got ahold of their gun, they were not responsible gun owners. Responsible gun owners do not leaave guns where two year olds can get them. Guns are not the problem, stupid people are the problem.



I think all white, middle-class, educated, safety trained gun owners are considered responsible until they make just one tragic mistake, and then they're put in the stupid/criminal category. Only one gun owner I know personally is interested in gun law reform, none of them want to admit that guns themselves are a problem.

I don't care what you do, just please don't shoot me or anyone I know.
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Alvin York was a solider in wwI - i kind of expect him to carry a gun - that's his job. Last I heard we don't have a war going on in the states.

so, by your statement, you're backing me up - guns give you a sense of power. good for you. the thought, btw, that i am the paranoid one, is laughable. Really, I don't know why i bother. I'm done with this 'debate' and with you. It's pointless. Go play with your guns - just keep them the hell away from me. smile


And of course you CHOSE to blow right past my point when responding to your silly comment about the Koreans. Although you DID SORT OF address it later. Guns don't simply confer a "sense of" power they DO confer power for good or evil, that simple. As to the rest yes, finally we ARE agreed about something, there is NO point in us discussing this as we do not and will not agree (as I stated earlier on). Lastly, YES! You ARE the paranoid one, just REREAD YOUR OWN FINAL COMMENT! It proves just what I said. I'm a law abiding, well trained, capable, competent gun owner whose guns are more accurate and more powerful than those carried by policemen. Yet, it is ME you CHOSE to be afraid of, as if I'd walk up and shoot you for no reason. Anyway, and enjoy life. Just please leave MY rights alone and if your ARE concerned about gun crime then focus on getting the CURRENT laws enforced.


For the rest of you, I say again; NO ONE will EVER pass some magical law that criminals will have no choice other than to obey that will eliminate gun crime here WITHOUT bringing about a totalitarian government. If you think otherwise you're living in a fantasy world and ignoring the realities that are a part of living in this nation.