Free Speech

Free speech? If only it were true.

Hey, as long as she respects my freedom of speech to recommend people not patronize businesses who use hate or prejudice as the basis for choosing who to do business with, I am good with the decision.

This is what will start to happen...

Then the MAGA geniuses will call foul.

These businesses will do it more.

The MAGA geniuses will eventually harass and vandalize these businesses.

People will hate each other even more.

Violence will happen.

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Hey, as long as she respects my freedom of speech to recommend people not patronize businesses who use hate or prejudice as the basis for choosing who to do business with, I am good with the decision.

The craziest part is that the case was based on a fraud. She made up that a man wanted her services for a same sex marriage. The man says he's straight and had no idea someone was using his name for any of this.

It's crazy to think about how this made it to the Supreme Court.

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The SCOTUS today also reaffirmed the right to free speech, a bedrock of life in the United States.

and gave a big thumbs up to discrimination on top of that.

The Supreme court once ruled that corporations are people so that corporations could give political contributions and called it free speech lol

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The Supreme court once ruled that corporations are people so that corporations could give political contributions and called it free speech lol

and we all know how that turned out...

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Sure, and THAT'll be the start of the civil war!

I don't think so.

What do you mean?

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I mean your expectations of violence are just foolish fantasies.

How so?

I predicted Trump's dog whistles would lead to violence and they did unfortunately.

This new republican nonsense will also lead to more violence.

You can choose to keep being an idiot if you want, that is your right.

OK that's enough attention for you today.

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I mean your expectations of violence are just foolish fantasies.

1/6 was hardly a fantasy. Felix never said there'd be a civil war, simply that violence would happen. doesn't mean it's going to be on that huge a scale.

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Gas stations are public accommodations, so they wouldn't be allowed to discriminate that way.

See, the republicans are already calling foul.

You can't make this stuff up.

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Even though I'm a Democrat

And I'm a mermaid..

Who is talking about gas stations anyway... You're just making stuff up now.

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Yep. Just like I brought up another example of public accommodations, Restaurants are public accommodations too. Bus lines. You get the picture, don't you?

Oh lord... I bet this kid can do some cool trampoline tricks.

Look, you're proving my point.

Businesses will put up signs in response because conservatives decided they wanted to be assholes.

Conservatives/republicans/hogs like yourself will cry that it's against the law.

Businesses will tell you to fuck off anyway because they have the right to refuse service to anyone and make up a reason if they feel like it.

Conservatives will cry more.

People will laugh at them.

Then conservatives will get violent.

...This isn't new, it's a pattern.

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That is a longer version of saying you do not know when. Why describe an activity as a "pattern" - something that repeats - when you do not know when it will happen?

There has been plenty of right wing violence and attempted violence.

One of you hogs was just arrested in Obama's neighborhood with the attempt to engage in a violent act. Hogs have been arrested in vehicles threatening to blow something up recently as well. Hogs have bombed abortion clinics. Hogs constantly get arrested for attacking minorites and women and children

This is all in the news Chryses.

Hogs do something stupid. People call them stupid. Then hogs get violent.

Pattern and history of violence when it comes to right wing hogs.

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A more florid and even longer version of saying you do not know when.

A man with numerous firearms and materials to make an explosive was arrested Thursday, June 29 in former President Barack Obama’s Washington, DC, neighborhood after claiming on an internet livestream that he had a detonator.

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And after the speech Senator Schumer gave about "there will be consequences" as a result of the SCOTUS overturning Roe an individual was arrested with similar accouterments of destruction.

Now that we have done our tit-for-tat, I wonder when the violence Felix is predicting will occur.

Eventually.

Eventually it will, like I predicted before and you claimed it wouldn't.

Asking for the exact time and date is silly.

You're just being a silly hog now.

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And after the speech Senator Schumer gave about "there will be consequences" as a result of the SCOTUS overturning Roe an individual was arrested with similar accouterments of destruction.

Now that we have done our tit-for-tat, I wonder when the violence Felix is predicting will occur.

if you're equating the phrase "there will be consequences" without specifically suggesting that they will be violent rather than political in nature with loading up a van with explosives and threatening to blow up an ex-president, his family, and anyone else in the neighborhood than you have serious issues.

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Instead of getting upset and angry, why don't you try to make your case about why it's OK to force the web designer lady to act against her beliefs?

It seems analogous to forcing an atheist singer to perform at an Easter celebration or another High Holy Day because he advertises his abilities to sing well enough to charge for them

personally, if i was hired to perform at an Easter Celebration, i'd let them know that i wasn't christian and suggest that maybe they do their research better and then, if they still wanted me to do the gig, i'd do it. money is money. i don't know a lot of performers who'd turn down a paying gig. besides, if he really wanted not to do it, he could simply say he was booked that day instead of telling them he wouldn't do it because he didn't believe in god. if the KKK asked me to do a gig, that's what i'd say; yeah, i would, but dammit, that's the same day the Nazis are celebrating Himmler's bday and i've already said yes.

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The speech preceded the arrest in the neighborhood of Justice Alito with devices to kill. So to the ruling preceded the arrest of a similarly kitted out weido near where the Obamas live.

Think your way through the similarities.

it's still not a threat. just a statement. explosives are a very real threat. you can try to twist it around any way you like, but that doesn't change the facts.

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So, your recommendation is to lie.

yep. don't tell me you've never done it before. if that's the worst you can say about me, that i occasionally lie, than i consider myself to be a pretty awsome human being. btw, it's called a white lie. it's not causing anyone any harm. he might even suggest they call his buddy Steve who is a devout Christian and would love to do the gig.

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You are correct; the similarities are the facts In both arrests. The presumed motivation is the speech by Senator Schumer in one and the SCOTUS ruling in the other.

ok, so? i don't remember defending someone. you had asked for exact dates when Felix posted, so i provided them. i really haven't taken any sides. just providing some facts.

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That's not the kind of government I want for America.

you're okay with discrimination but you're not okay with lies? weak sauce. politicians lie. they do it a lot. both sides. from the beginning of time. disappointing,

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I say to you what I said to Chryses. A government that forces you to lie or forces you to say what you don't believe in isn't the kind of government America should have.

then maybe we shouldn't have the Supreme Court we have. Feel free to defend Justice Clarence Thomas as best you can. good luck with that.

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Of course not! That is why the SCOTUS ruled as it did.

LOL if you really believe that, you're one hell of a naive dude. Clarence Thomas rules as he's told to rule. that's what the right is paying him for. I do have some respect of other members of the court, not all but some, but he is the epitome of what is wrong with our current system.

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That's an option.

Do you believe that'll happen soon?

nope. he'd backed by too many rich, powerful people. unless that changes, he'd going to be seated until he breathes his last breath, sadly.

Alito and Thomas have proven they are On The Take and For Sale - cheap. Anthony Kennedy has proven he's a bootlicker, working in concert with the GQP to place yet another NEW & Improved justice on the bench.

While it was against normal operating procedure according to McConnell - to appoint a new Supreme Justice - when Obama submitted Garland's name to replace the deceased motherfucker who died on his vacation - then just a few years later when the same scenario appeared with the death of Ginsburg - suddenly - the same hold on nominees to the bench - was ignored by the GQP controlled Senate so they could install Coney Barrett in her former seat.

The GQP has successfully hijacked the Supreme Court with politically minded operatives. Biden needs to add another 5 justices to the court and reverse this fucking scheme employed by the Republicans.

Feels so good to turn the clock back to the 1950s. Thanks MAGA.

Presumably, the Website designer in Colorado wouldn't refuse to serve the gay couple for non-homosexual content? So, she isn't discriminating against the people per se, but just the concepts which they espouse? If so this sounds like a case in the UK about 5 years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_v_Ashers_Baking_Company_Ltd_and_others

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The craziest part is that the case was based on a fraud. She made up that a man wanted her services for a same sex marriage. The man says he's straight and had no idea someone was using his name for any of this.

It's crazy to think about how this made it to the Supreme Court.

This court case was based on fraud and allowed to continue based on a hypothetical. No actual gay people were discriminated against; she just wanted to preserve the right to discriminate in the future. The Affirmative Action case is equally as sketchy. It was brought by an organization with anonymous membership and presented by a lawyer who already lost one challenge to AA and blamed that on his client being a white woman.

You are 100% right.

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That is a longer version of saying you do not know when. Why describe an activity as a "pattern" - something that repeats - when you do not know when it will happen?

If I'm on someone's Facebook and see a string of angry outbursts, political statements, and manifestos, then see that person in a gun shop purchasing a weapon, should I wait until I know when they're going to act to report them?

You can know violence is going to happen without being about to start a countdown clock. This is the silliest counter-argument I've seen in a long time.

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This case came from a declaratory judgment action by a website designer who creates websites for married couples but does not want to do so for gay marriages.

To clarify her rights, Ms. Smith filed a lawsuit seeking an injunction to prevent the State from forcing her to create websites celebrating marriages that defy her belief that marriage should be reserved to unions between one man and one woman.

An event need not have occurred for the case to be heard.

She wants to (and is now allowed to) put a note on her homepage stating that she doesn't serve gay marriages. That's the point of this lawsuit. She wants a "No Gays Allowed" sign on her home page. There was the name of man who requested this service listed in the original court case, but it turns out he was straight with kids and didn't know how his name appeared. This name came to light when there was a motion to dismiss the original case because no law had, to date, caused any harm. This is a manufactured lawsuit for the purpose of creating this decision.