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All good, common sense policies. All doomed in legislation. The threshold for passing an amendment is absolutely inaccessible in today’s political climate. The Republicans can’t even elect a speaker when they have the majority. The districts across the US are gerrymandered all to hell to the point where no matter how popular one side is, they will never approach having the numbers needed for an amendment.

I expect the only way I’ll see a new amendment passed in my lifetime would be some sort of anti-revolution special powers thing if America start’s collapsing. You know, some sort of tremendously unpopular amendment that expands when and how the US can use violence against it’s own citizens.

A perhaps less polarizing (because apparently in the US less dead school kids is a polarizing topic) would be an amendment to get big money out of politics. That way concerned citizens might be able to compete against the arms industry, in getting their representative's attention.


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A perhaps less polarizing (because apparently in the US less dead school kids is a polarizing topic) would be an amendment to get big money out of politics. That way concerned citizens might be able to compete against the arms industry, in getting their representative's attention.

You couldn’t even get the bill introduced. 99.9% of American federal politicians are there because of corporate backing. Hell, I don’t even think most politicians actually know how to write a bill, they only introduce what the lobbyists wrote for them.

Still, nice fantasy.

Quote by ElCoco

The Right to Safety Amendment:

1) Raising the minimum age to purchase a gun to 21

2) Universal background checks

3) A reasonable waiting period for gun purchases

4) Banning civilian purchases of assault weapons

So, adopting Canada's gun laws by enshrining them in the Constitution? Can't complain but, yeah, getting this through is probably a pipedream.

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You couldn’t even get the bill introduced. 99.9% of American federal politicians are there because of corporate backing. Hell, I don’t even think most politicians actually know how to write a bill, they only introduce what the lobbyists wrote for them.

Still, nice fantasy.

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"Yes, we can't"

“For the Master’s tools will never dismantle the Master’s house.” -Audre Lorde

The reality of this is that a majority of states will vote no to this, overwhelmingly killing the two-thirds majority of states needed to vote yes to passing a constitutional amendment.

I think all states already have background check requirements. Most have a waiting period. And raising the age to 21 already exists in many states, and is a possible in most.

An assault weapon ban will not pass in most states. Defining an assault weapon has and will continue to be a problem. On a state by state basis, limits on clip size can be accomplished, but will vary. Bump stocks have been banned at the federal level. And fully automatic weapons are already illegal.

This battle will have to be done on the state level in every state. Results will vary greatly.

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Now, here’s a development of the gun ownership issue that the Court should rule on: removing guns from owners, if only briefly when those owners can be shown to have violent outbursts. It would be even harder to get an amendment passed about that than it would be to get the 2nd Amendment revised. By ruling in support of 'red flag' laws, the court could achieve a similar result.

Republicans removed a law that disallowed domestic abusers from having firearms. Good luck with that lol

Makes no logical sense

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2023/2/2/23583377/supreme-court-guns-domestic-abuse-fifth-circuit-second-amendment-rahimi-united-states

A panel of judges on an exceedingly reactionary federal appeals court ruled on Thursday that the federal law prohibiting individuals from “possessing a firearm while under a domestic violence restraining order” is unconstitutional.

Under Judge Cory Wilson’s opinion in United States v. Rahimi, people with a history of violent abuse of their romantic partners or the partners’ children now have a Second Amendment right to own a gun, even if a court has determined that they are “a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child.”

The immediate impact of this decision is that Zackey Rahimi, who “was subject to an agreed civil protective order entered February 5, 2020, by a Texas state court after Rahimi’s alleged assault of his ex-girlfriend,” may not be convicted of violating the federal ban on gun possession by domestic abusers.

More broadly, because the decision was handed down by the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, which presides over federal lawsuits in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas, this federal law can no longer be enforced in those three states.

One of the most alarming things about Rahimi, moreover, is that it is far from clear that this decision is wrong — at least under a new precedent the Supreme Court handed down last year drastically expanding the Second Amendment.

The Court has seemingly turned back the clock on America’s gun laws by 150 years or more

Up until last year, federal courts applied what one Fifth Circuit judge described as a “two-step analytic framework” in Second Amendment cases. Under this framework, “severe burdens on core Second Amendment rights” are subject to “strict scrutiny,” the most skeptical level of review in most constitutional cases. Meanwhile, “less onerous laws, or laws that govern conduct outside of the Second Amendment’s ‘core,’” are subject to a more permissive test known as “intermediate scrutiny.”

As Wilson notes in his Rahimi opinion, the Fifth Circuit previously upheld the federal ban on gun possession by domestic abusers in an opinion “applying this court’s pre-Bruen precedent.”

But in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen in 2022, the Supreme Court tossed out the old two-step framework in favor of a new test that centers the history of English and early American gun laws.

Under this new framework, the government has the burden of proving that a gun regulation “is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation,” or else that regulation must be struck down. Bruen, moreover, strongly suggests that a gun law must fall if it addresses a “general societal problem that has persisted since the 18th century” and the government cannot identify a “distinctly similar historical regulation addressing that problem.”

Moreover, Bruen said, “if earlier generations addressed the societal problem, but did so through materially different means, that also could be evidence that a modern regulation is unconstitutional.”

If courts take this framework seriously, then it is questionable whether any law seeking to prevent domestic abusers from owning firearms may be upheld. The early American republic was a far more sexist place than America in 2023, and it had far fewer laws protecting people from intimate partner violence.

Indeed, until 1871, when the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that a husband and wife “may be indicted for assault and battery upon each other,” it was legal in every state for married partners to beat their spouses.

Even the Fifth Circuit might still allow convicted felons to lose access to firearms

All of this said, even Wilson’s opinion in Rahimi might still allow domestic abusers to be stripped of their guns — but only if they’ve previously been convicted of a felony. Prior to Bruen, in District of Columbia v. Heller(2008), the Court held that its interpretation of the Second Amendment “should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill.”

Meanwhile, in Bruen itself, Justice Brett Kavanaugh — the median vote on the current Court — wrote a separate concurring opinion indicating that he does not want to overrule this portion of Heller. Wilson’s opinion in Rahimi also quotes this portion of Heller, suggesting that even this Fifth Circuit panel believes that Heller’s holding that convicted felons may be stripped of gun rights remains good law.

But that’s cold comfort to victims of domestic violence whose abusers have not yet been found guilty of a felony. The federal law struck down in Rahimi prohibited domestic abusers from owning a firearm if they are “subject to a court order” that restrains them from “harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner,” and if certain other conditions are met — such that the court found that the abuser “represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child.”

These sorts of restraining orders could be handed down in a civil proceeding, which does not require a prosecutor to prove that the defendant committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, however, these protections for victims of domestic violence are gone in the Fifth Circuit, which presides over cases in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas.

As a general rule, the Supreme Court typically agrees to review any federal appeals court decision that strikes down a federal law, so it is exceedingly likely that the Supreme Court will hear this case. Should the justices stick to what they said in Bruen, this federal ban on gun possession by domestic abusers could soon be repealed nationwide.

It depends on republicans deciding to be hypocritical ratfuckers or not..

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Republicans removed a law that disallowed domestic abusers from having firearms. Good luck with that lol

it's being discussed by SCOTUS today. waiting for a ruling. at present, it looks like the law might will be upheld. fingers crossed.

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it's being discussed by SCOTUS today. waiting for a ruling. at present, it looks like the law might will be upheld. fingers crossed.

Yeah well during the meantime lots of convicted domestic abusers have been able to obtain guns. So cool.

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Yeah well during the meantime lots of convicted domestic abusers have been able to obtain guns. So cool.

no, not cool. but at least this will put a stop to anymore getting them - btw, one of the reasons i now own a handgun.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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no, not cool. but at least this will put a stop to anymore getting them - btw, one of the reasons i now own a handgun.

You're a convicted domestic abuser? 😳


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You're a convicted domestic abuser? 😳

no. i work with victims of domestic violence. occasionally we get an uninvited and unwelcome guest.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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no. i work with victims of domestic violence. occasionally we get an uninvited and unwelcome guest.

Reminds me of an old grunge song: "If you love her, buy her a gun."


Or another one: "Dead men don't ."

The 90s were kinda hardcore.

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Reminds me of an old grunge song: "If you love her, buy her a gun."


Or another one: "Dead men don't ."

The 90s were kinda hardcore.

having trouble disagreeing with the sentiments. speaking of kinda hardcore...

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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no, not cool. but at least this will put a stop to anymore getting them - btw, one of the reasons i now own a handgun.

I taught my wife to use both handguns and long rifles, and encouraged her to take gun safety classes. I also, encouraged her to take self defense classes and martial arts.

She now has a concealed carry permit and is proficient with a pistol. As well, she has advanced well in martial arts. And she works out with weights.

But still, l worry about her safety depending where she is, if l am not there with her. But she'd most likely be a very difficult target.