It's always the same. What might seem bad to one person is fluff to another.
I think it should be left alone. If someones child is looking at porn or what the parent considers porn and bitches about then I say, DO YOUR FUCKING JOB! Be a parent. Stop blaming someone else for your failure to control your kid.
Parents to a certain degree have control of what their children see on a computer. Public library, and school computers do not allow NSFW items, etc. If that parent lets a child go to his friends house and the friends 'rents don't monitor and the kid sees porn. Who's fault is it? The porn site?
How naive to beleave that it's a web sites fault no one is watching your kid while your doing something else more interesting than making sure your kids friends 'rents are on the same page as you are.
As for restrictions on this and some other sites about . It's the rule here not everywhere. In the US it's illegal to have sex with kids. In other countries it is not. And they too have access to the internet. They can also build website. English speaking countries dont' own the net as they would like to believe.
I also didn't say a child was bad or turning out bad for looking at porn. I'm not blaming a parent for that. I blame parents for yelling and bitching about everything that's not what they want their kid to see or do. They want everyone to do their job for them. Take down the web site, don't print this, don't do that in movies. My kid might see it. Well do your job and don't allow the kid access to it and if he gets it, deal with it instead of punishing the people that are making or doing what you don't what them to see.
"If that parent lets a child go to his friends house and the friends 'rents don't monitor and the kid sees porn. Who's fault is it? The porn site?"
No.
"How naive to beleave that it's a web sites fault no one is watching your kid while your doing something else more interesting than making sure your kids friends 'rents are on the same page as you are."
I agree. I didn't say that. I don't know if you have kids. If you do, you must spend alot of time on the phone with your child's friend's parents when your child is visiting them..."What are they doing now? How about now? Can you see them now?"
"English speaking countries dont' own the net as they would like to believe."
That was Al Gore. Remember? He said he invented the internet. Besides, who said that English speaking people think they own the net?
"I also didn't say a child was bad or turning out bad for looking at porn."
Neither did I.
"I'm not blaming a parent for that. I blame parents for yelling and bitching about everything that's not what they want their kid to see or do."
So you blame the parent for having an opinion about what his/her child may be exposed to but if the kid turns out bad you no longer blame the parent? Who then? Please don't tell me you blame society.
"They want everyone to do their job for them. Take down the web site, don't print this, don't do that in movies. My kid might see it. Well do your job and don't allow the kid access to it and if he gets it, deal with it instead of punishing the people that are making or doing what you don't what them to see."
It only stands to reason that if a parent is vocal about a certain thing, in this case porn, they are probably not allowing their child to view it. Who's punishing anyone? When did having an opinion become punishment?
Chef, I didn't mean to push a hot button. Everyone has opinons, ranging from who should be the leader of their country... to what music they like...to what may or may not be appropriate for their children to view. I spun off a couple of sentences from your first post and then spoke in generalities for the remainder. Somehow you took the whole thing personally. My intention was to show my support that people, you, me, parents, have a right to their opinions. It seemed to me that you were so passionate about getting your opinion across that parents need to do their job, you overlooked that perhaps, an opinionated parent IS doing their job. Certainly you don't expect a parent to remain silent on issues they feel passionate about. Do you? Clearly, you're not silent about giving your opinion. Maybe you just don't agree with theirs.
Chef, I've met you on this site and we've seemed to have light, fun conversations. I'd like to keep it that way. So the next time I have a differing opinion than yours, remind me to keep it to myself. Butting heads with someone I am partial to over an issue like Wikipedia isn't worth it to me.
Lush,
My question: Why not allow stories about and let the reader decide? was purely rhetorical. I knew what the answers were before you posted them. At the time I was trying to point out how a comment, in its context, may have sounded socially irresponsible.
Hey, bgb.....Im thinking that Lush does not allow stories about because this site would be full of pedophiles! (sp?) She has worked really hard to make this site a decent place for fellow sex freaks to enjoy! LOL! To an EXTENT! Some of the story topics may be questionable, but allowing sex stories about children is totally crossing the line.
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You got it.
You been talking to Tech? She gets me too. There's much much more I could say on the subject but, evidently it gets blown all out of whack. So there's no point. Laters!
It's an age old question, entire theses have been written on the subject. I remember reading about how in Europe, at the turn of the century I believe, a woman's ankles became erotic...why? Because that's all men could see. In Japan the back of a woman's neck was considered the same as showing a breast today. The problem always is, where to draw the line when it comes to what kids can access.
Personally I grew up with absolutely no parental supervision and well, other things. This comes out in my stories all the time and I think you can see the fucked up result it had on me. I think the most important thing is that parents are involved with their kids, talk to their kids and have a strong grasp on what they feel is morally right or wrong. As someone who is planning on becoming a parent sometime in the very near future (fingers crossed) I certainly plan to be involved with their lives.
I love this site and I understand the laws, but what about when you want to write from personal experience? Did anyone's sexual adventures (or misadventures) actually begin right at 18 or whenever it was legal? I've known two people both male and female that didn't have sex until they were 20 and 22. Both went freaking insane once they finally had sex, like this new drug, both ended up with a VD (nothing deadly, the guy actually had two) and both ended up turning back to religion as some sort of penance for their "sins". My point (cause sometimes I never have one) is that they were both protected from sex all their lives, once they had it they went crazy, did stupid things, paid a price and now view sex as "wrong" or "evil". I had sex at a VERY early age (not by choice) and grew up having more and more sex and I'm pretty fucked up but in some ways I can say I'm honestly better off than either of them. Sure, I write stories that are "on the edge" but I'm just exploring what's in my mind. Hasn't anyone on here ever read stories from "Secret Garden"? There are stories of but women don't want to be just because they have a fantasy. So sometimes I really, REALLY want to write about my personal experiences, I really want to tell stories about things that happened to me but how can I? The law says that no matter what if a thought/fantasy comes out of my head it better be written with these ages and in these situations. That my friends is censorship. No matter how you paint it. If I'm not harming another, not putting another person in danger, and not inciting others to go out and commit acts harming others then I should have a right to explore whatever creative angles I desire as an artist.
Anyway, the debate will go on until the end of time. As long as there are those with power, there will be censorship and artists will continue to push the boundaries. It's always been and it always will be.
Here is me stepping off my soap box and ready for flaming.
I understand where you are coming from Fetishdoll (best of luck with the pregnancy btw), but from a site owner's perspective, I don't want to be shut down. Then nobody can publish their stories here and what would that accomplish?
I am not the one ultimately doing the censorship. I have to legally abide by the letter of the law.
Go to any of the other successful story sites out there, and 99% of them take the stance I do. It simply isn't worth the hassle.
I think you are doing the right thing, no debate there, my problem is with those who hunt for demons where there are only reflections of themselves.
Was just thinkin' the same thing!
Guess she doesn't need a drink holder.
