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I don't even know how to process this. By now, i am sure people have heard about the shootings at Pulse, an LGBT night club in Orlando Florida. at present, 53 people have been confirmed dead, and over 50 wounded. one gunman - the motive is still unclear, but his father came out to say that he thought it was a hate crime specifically targeting gays.

right now, we, the gay community could use a whole lot of love and support, so maybe, just reach out and let us know that you're with us, and if you're not, right now is not the time to open your mouth and please, don't turn this into a fight over guns control laws, not today, not for a while, please.

xo
rachel

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

I'm coming to believe we must view such acts much like we do other natural disasters. We can't let them change who we are or how we live. We can educate and continue to show that we have love in our hearts, but beyond that there is little we can do. Building walls or dropping bombs on others won't solve the hate. Someone, eventually must show that we can rise above it.

I'm terribly hurt this morning. My heart is heavy with pain and part of me wants revenge against those who support such beliefs, but one can't find vengeance against a storm or earthquake. One can only rise again and mourn our loss. Our most effective means of combating this is to not allow it to change who we are.
An illness of hate befalls of some individuals. We must hold fast to principles that made America great. Don't hate on all who are not of your beliefs. Just wear freedom, proudly, crying for those who are not among us today.
An illness of hate befalls of some individuals. We must hold fast to principles that made America great. Don't hate on all who are not of your beliefs. Just wear freedom, proudly, crying for those who are not among us today.


Well said!
Is it hatred? Or do we believe that because to think that a person can be wired so wrongly from birth is incomprehensible to us? Just an absolutely horrendous act.
I have been watching the news. What a horrible thing that has happened. I just heard they said Isis is to blame. We live in a crazy world.

I feel so bad for all the families who have lost loved ones. I especially feel sorry for people who have died and have not "Come Out" to their friends and family. I can imagine there has to be some stories like that.

My heart breaks for all involved.

Here is a prayer:

O God, we pray for those who have been murdered on the streets of our city. We commit to your loving care those who have died, beseeching you to receive their souls into the mercy of your love. Comfort their loved ones who mourn. Enable them to meet the lonely and painful days ahead in the strength of your love. Let the love that you have made known to us lead us to create safer streets for all to walk upon. Amen.
This is just heart breaking to watch, I can't even imagine how America must be feeling, how the gay community are feeling having been targeted like this.

I wanted to write something profound but I can't find any words that I feel would give any comfort. Nothing can comfort the mother I just watched on the news sobbing because no one could tell her what had happened to her son, if he was alive or dead. It made me cry just imagining how that must have felt had that been my son and over 50 mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, wives, husbands were given the news that they would never see their loved ones again and over 50 more are waiting and hoping that their loved ones survive.

There is nothing I can say, there is nothing anyone can say. We can just watch in stunned silence at the destruction such hatred has caused. My heart aches for the loved ones of those who have been lost and my thoughts and prayers are with them.

To my gay friends I want you to know how much I love you all, such small mindedness and discrimination is abhorrent to me and although this seems such a small thing it's all I can do.

My children do not hate, I won't let them even use the word. My children do not discriminate in any way, they know not to. They don't treat anybody differently for any reason because I have taught them not to. The kids and I were watching the news and they asked what had happened so I told them, they asked me why he had shot all those people and I said because they were gay and they said but why mum? I said because he is one of those people who hate gay people, he thinks being gay is wrong and they said but being gay isn't wrong mummy there is nothing wrong with it...actually what my daughter Giorgia actually said was "but that's not right mummy there is nothing wrong with being gay, Rachel (sprite) is gay and she is really nice" I had to smile at that.

My children are not racist either, they understand also that Islamic State although Muslim are a minority and that it is wrong to blame all Muslims for what IS are doing as many people are.

Parents are responsible for teaching their children right from wrong, discrimination is wrong my children know this I hope more parents teach their children this, unfortunately many parents don't even teach their children basic manners let alone anything else but I do, it's all I can do.

I am so sorry for you all, I can't even imagine how frightening it must be for you all right now and it shouldn't be that way, it just shouldn't.
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it saddens me and breaks my heart to think anyone could do such a thing. my condolences got to the families of the dead and injured.
It is a horrible thing. My heart is with the wounded survivors and the families of those who were killed. My prayers are with them.
When are you guys going to wake up and do something ABOUT gun control.
I don't like either of your impending presidents but I would vote for the one that does something about reducing the number of guns in the publics hands.
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shut up, subhuman


Why would you advertise that? I previously didn't know who that person was but now I do because of you... Why give him attention? Please use your brain for once.


Stand strong Orlando. This Florida native son is holding you in my heart, the victims, the families, the friends...everyone.
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When are you guys going to wake up and do something ABOUT gun control.
I don't like either of your impending presidents but I would vote for the one that does something about reducing the number of guns in the publics hands.


Taking guns away will not solve the problem. If the same type of bomb like the Boston Marathon bombings used was used inside that crowded building there may have been more killed and injured. Those that want to kill innocent people for what ever reason they have will be able to carry out their crimes with or with out guns. Maybe if more people would have been armed there may have been less people killed and injured.

It is a constitutional right.

Nawty
Could we respect Rachel's request not to make this about gun control, folks? I thought she was pretty clear on that point.

Hate and violence against any group has to stop. I live by a faith that has as its first principle "respect for the inherent worth and dignity of every person" and I wish the world could live by that principle. This event should, I hope, put some extra energy into Pride festivals this year. I would love to see them turn into peace marches and protests against this kind of violent hate. I know many in the local gay community through my church and my heart goes out to them and to those in Orlando who are suffering injuries or losses.
There are no adequate words for an act of hate like this. There may however be a way to show our support. Throughout the world, events are being organised in memory of those who have lost their lives and to show support to the LGBTQ community. Check weareorlando.org to find out if there's an event you can join.
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Taking guns away will not solve the problem. If the same type of bomb like the Boston Marathon bombings used was used inside that crowded building there may have been more killed and injured. Those that want to kill innocent people for what ever reason they have will be able to carry out their crimes with or with out guns. Maybe if more people would have been armed there may have been less people killed and injured.

It is a constitutional right.

Nawty


Change the constitution then.
Taking the guns away WILL help solve the problem. Ok there are nutters out there but how many have they killed without guns compared to those with guns (exclude 7/11).
We had a problem - we fixed it - we banned guns. No mass killings since - beat that.
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right now, we, the gay community could use a whole lot of love and support, so maybe, just reach out and let us know that you're with us


I'm with you. I've been working to support LGBT issues both personally and professionally, and I've been deeply saddened by this senseless and pointless tragedy. I'm sad for those who died. I'm sad for the grief of their family and friends. I'm sad for the message being reinforced that a person's mere existence is justification for hatred and ultimately, their murder. And I'm sad for the miserable life the killer must have led that somehow made this tragedy make sense in his mind. I can't imagine what it's like to live every day with so much anger and hatred in your heart. People aren't born that way, they're created. Clearly, that's not an excuse - it's just sad.

Don't believe everything that you read.

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Change the constitution then.
Taking the guns away WILL help solve the problem. Ok there are nutters out there but how many have they killed without guns compared to those with guns (exclude 7/11).
We had a problem - we fixed it - we banned guns. No mass killings since - beat that.


The majority of the population does not want to change it.

Nawty
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The majority of the population does not want to change it.

Nawty

Actually, polls by the New York Times say you are wrong. The lastest poll shows an overall majority of 57% for stricter gun laws. The big exception are republican voters.
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. The country also has about 35–50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, according to a 2007 report by the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey. It has the highest number of firearms per person. The United States also has the highest homicide-by-firearm rate among the world's most developed nations. Every statistic you look at (except probably the NRA's) will show you, there is a correlation between gun laws and the number of gun related deaths. Even within the US that is clear, as the numbers of gun related deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation.

Edit: I realise this is off topic and I apoligise. I'll not discuss this any further here.
A little kindness can be so valuable, yet costs almost nothing

In many countries being gay is a crime, and even in modern societies, politicians try to legalise discrimination. Your voice can make a difference. Have a look at All Out to find out how.


Hey... pssst.... that's an l (as in luscious) at the end of my name, not an i
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Actually, polls by the New York Times say you are wrong. The lastest poll shows an overall majority of 57% for stricter gun laws. The big exception are republican voters.
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. The country also has about 35–50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, according to a 2007 report by the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey. It has the highest number of firearms per person. The United States also has the highest homicide-by-firearm rate among the world's most developed nations. Every statistic you look at (except probably the NRA's) will show you, there is a correlation between gun laws and the number of gun related deaths. Even within the US that is clear, as the numbers of gun related deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation.

Edit: I realise this is off topic and I apoligise. I'll not discuss this any further here.


I was talking about changing the 2nd amendment. I too believe we need to enforce the laws already on the books and in some cases make it a lot harder if not impossible for those that should not have guns to get them.

Nawty
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When are you guys going to wake up and do something ABOUT gun control.
I don't like either of your impending presidents but I would vote for the one that does something about reducing the number of guns in the publics hands.


I think it might be prudent to honor Rachel's request to not turn this into a partisan fight about gun control. That might be another thread another time.

Right now we mourn this senseless killing as a nation. Today was flag day. We put ours at half staff across the nation.
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Change the constitution then.
Taking the guns away WILL help solve the problem. Ok there are nutters out there but how many have they killed without guns compared to those with guns (exclude 7/11).
We had a problem - we fixed it - we banned guns. No mass killings since - beat that.


While I was willing to respect the OP's request... CLEARLY YOU'RE NOT. This is your second attack on OUR government and it's basis. You don't like it... ok DON'T EVER COME HERE... problem solved. BTW bombs and gasoline have both killed far more people. Hate filled twisted minds will find the means (Oh and FYI the date you were looking for was 911 NOT 711!

OBJECTS are NOT the problem hatred, especially institutionalized hatred... IS! Especially for the simple reason that the instution breeds and offers rewards for it. Inspite of what some might say, their leaders have said otherwise.
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While I was willing to respect the OP's request... CLEARLY YOU'RE NOT. This is your second attack on OUR government and it's basis. You don't like it... ok DON'T EVER COME HERE... problem solved. BTW bombs and gasoline have both killed far more people. Hate filled twisted minds will find the means (Oh and FYI the date you were looking for was 911 NOT 711!

OBJECTS are NOT the problem hatred, especially institutionalized hatred... IS! Especially for the simple reason that the instution breeds and offers rewards for it. Inspite of what some might say, their leaders have said otherwise.


What request to not make this a gun control issue? I thought this is what it was about. For a large chunk of my life I was in the USAF. When I see some one attack our constitution it is my job to defend it. Rather foreign or domestic.

My first comments, which may be on another thread about the Orlando mass killings, was how horrible this attack was, and my heart and prayers go out to ALL those affected by it. Not because it looks to be against the LGBT community, but because it was a senseless taking of human life. I had the same feelings when 9/11, the school shootings, the federal building in Oklahoma, the Boston Marathon, etc etc. ALL LIVES MATTER!!!!!

Nawty
simple request, really. sad that no one seems to have the common decency to honor it. locked by OP. thanks, guys.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.