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Clever. They would feel the vibrations of the tree falling so perhaps that counts.
feel, but not hear. the question specifically said 'hear'. i just won the internet! woo hoo!
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Clever. They would feel the vibrations of the tree falling so perhaps that counts.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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I bow down to the greatness that is Sprite.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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Clever. They would feel the vibrations of the tree falling so perhaps that counts.
My new Flash Fiction:
An Extraordinary Orgasm.
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Quote by spriteIn that case, sound would occur, but there would be no one there, who could classify it as noise.
what if... a tree falls in the forest and a deaf person sees it...?
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I think a lot of you are thinking I'm stupid, or talking crap (or maybe just think I'm wrong) ....
Quote by patokl
Well, if anything, I'd call you stubborn.
Would you indulge me and explain to me, why dictionaries exist? In my humble opinion, the are meant to describe our language and, as much as possible, give the proper definition of the words we use. You can of course keep on ignoring that as trivial, but I'm sure that a lot of people who value the proper use of language would disagree.
Fact is, that all the major dictionaries in the world, regardless of the language they are written in, describe sound as a natural phenomenon, that CAN be experienced by hearing it, but that is not a condition in any serious dictionary. Any label to a sound, like music, speach, bleating and yes, noise too is a result of our interpretation of a sound. And that only happens when we hear a sound. That sound however, has to exist to be heard.
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If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a noise?
What is your answer and theory behind it?
Quote by TheAngryishLoverNice of you to prove, that even Wikipedia agrees with what I wrote. I just cannot understand, how you keep on claiming, the definition above is not true.
Like this, you mean?
Sound
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about audible acoustic waves. For other uses, see Sound (disambiguation).
In physics, sound is a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a medium such as air or water. In physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain.[1]
Quote by TheAngryishLoverMore than once, and there is nothing in it to support your opinion, that sound does not exist until it hits an eardrum. Audible still means, it CAN be heard, not that it MUST be heard.
What?!!
Did you actually read it?!
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More than once, and there is nothing in it to support your opinion, that sound does not exist until it hits an eardrum. Audible still means, it CAN be heard, not that it MUST be heard.
Quote by NymphWriter
Sound is a form of vibration. Just saying.
My new Flash Fiction:
An Extraordinary Orgasm.
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/flash-erotica/an-extraordinary-orgasm-2
Quote by patokl
Well, if anything, I'd call you stubborn.
Would you indulge me and explain to me, why dictionaries exist? In my humble opinion, the are meant to describe our language and, as much as possible, give the proper definition of the words we use. You can of course keep on ignoring that as trivial, but I'm sure that a lot of people who value the proper use of language would disagree.
Fact is, that all the major dictionaries in the world, regardless of the language they are written in, describe sound as a natural phenomenon, that CAN be experienced by hearing it, but that is not a condition in any serious dictionary. Any label to a sound, like music, speach, bleating and yes, noise too is a result of our interpretation of a sound. And that only happens when we hear a sound. That sound however, has to exist to be heard.
My new Flash Fiction:
An Extraordinary Orgasm.
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/flash-erotica/an-extraordinary-orgasm-2
My new Flash Fiction:
An Extraordinary Orgasm.
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/flash-erotica/an-extraordinary-orgasm-2
Quote by trinketThe question was, if that tree made a noise. Assuming it wasn't in a vacuum, the event did make a sound, it created the waves we decided to call sound. Whether that sound was beautiful or noise, is something subjective. It could only be determined by someone who actually heard the sound. So, with no one to hear it, there was sound, but no noise.
I see your point Patokl however that isn't the question. It's not about what is sound and what is noise. What some might think is noise, others might think is a beautiful sound. A big tree falling for example.
Quote by TheAngryishLoverFirst of all, this thread originally was not about sound, but about noise. If I recall correctly, you were the one changing the subject from noise to sound. Second, I included the sensory aspect of sound in many of my posts in this thread. It is you who chooses persistantly to ignore the fact that there a is a physical phenomenon we chose to call sound. Whether it was heard or not, that phenomenon occurred when the tree fell. And the reception of such waves (the ones we named sound) cannot take place if, as you claim, they don't exist.
What the hell? Can you re read it then, please?
I can't see how you can't read that and not see it as supporting my points exactly? Especially the bit that says 'In physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain'
Oh, and I agree with you about the definition of the word audible. Well done for changing the argument, though, as we are actually talking about sound
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First of all, this thread originally was not about sound, but about noise. If I recall correctly, you were the one changing the subject from noise to sound. Second, I included the sensory aspect of sound in many of my posts in this thread. It is you who chooses persistantly to ignore the fact that there a is a physical phenomenon we chose to call sound. Whether it was heard or not, that phenomenon occurred when the tree fell. And the reception of such waves (the ones we named sound) cannot take place if, as you claim, they don't exist.
Quote by TheAngryishLoverThere are four things that are defined as sound. Numbers three and four have nothing to do with this subject, but one and two do.
However, that physical reaction isn't sound unless someone perceives it to be sound. Without that, it's just a wave
It's a very easy concept to understand