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I've become totally hung up on this trial too. I've watched some of the court proceedings on youtube late at night (I used to love doing mock trials in school so even the process is interesting to me). And the concept of it - the psychology of how a human being can get to this level of macabre brutality and then be so casual and flakey about everything is mind-boggling to me. I've seen all the autopsy photos on the net and they are way worse than what you can imagine just by the descriptions and 'censored' pics alone.
The way I see it - this is a girl that met a dynamic, successful, 'popular' and well loved guy and was quickly charmed enough to set her sights on him as being 'the one'. Less than a week after they met, she dumps her older live-in boyfriend, declares an interest in changing to his religion and then sets about eventually moving to the state he lives in. That alone shows an 'over-commitment' to a relationship that seems like it was more of a casual/sexual one all along. Fatal attraction, obsession and pathological stalking never ends well. Her story of self-defence (after all her other stories) just doesn't compute with the forensics, evidence and even general logic. Her version of the events is almost laughable at times. If the jury fucks this one up, I'm going to be even more dumbfounded than when I heard about the Casey Anthony verdict.
The sex aspect of the trial is part of what's so compelling. Playing the phone sex recordings in court, the sexting messages... Gawd. It made me think of my own computer and phone etc and how easily things can be misconstrued. The fantasies and sexual dynamic between them that I think anyone on Lush would see as totally normal and mainstream were painted in such a 'deviant' way by the defence. All I know is that if I ever get killed or kill someone and sex came into play, I would be totally fuckered by my own digital trail alone. lol. This poor guy. First being murdered and then having *everything* thrown out into the public domain. Imagine having your phone sex recording streaming live on HLN and your dick pics, kinky fantasies and sexting-messages being discussed in open televised court. Damn. It does make me think more about how digital the world has gone (even crime) and how absolutely nothing is private anymore once it has a digital footprint.
It's a good cautionary tale to men though - no matter how tempting it might be, don't dip your dick in the crazy.[/quote] There was some mention on the internet of one of the jurors making inappropriate eye contact with her. Nasty to say the least.
They showed the video taped interview of her saying that no jury would convict her because she's innocent. Yikes.
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There was some mention on the internet of one of the jurors making inappropriate eye contact with her. Nasty to say the least.
Quote by Dancing_DollScary isn't it?
Eww... You know that's another phenomenon I've never understood. The psycho murderer groupies. Attractive killers always end up with these random people that fall for them or start writing to them with romantic interests. It's kind of compounded in this case since they're actually submitting all these naked pics of her into evidence - complete with graphic close-up pussy pics from different angles. I'm not sure if it was the prosecution or defense that submitted those, but I wonder if they play up to the predominantly male jury and whether this influences the way they ultimately see her. I would like to think the horrors of the crime prevent guys from even entertaining the idea/fantasy of 'hey, I'd tap that' but who knows... Apparently there are guys who are writing to her and regularly visiting her in prison so obviously the idea of a chick going batshit crazy and decapitating them doesn't really strike a chord of fear or hesitation in them. I just hope that type of male-mindset isn't on the jury.
The tv analysts kept speculating that the jury can't even look at her due to disgust with her. If those assumptions about the eye cantact are correct, i think it's a case of the judge ordering the jury not to make direct eye contact with her. Quote by lafayettemister
I haven't followed this trial too closely, but I've just googled some of her images. Most are of her in court, with a few others I've seen. Funny how her out of court pics show a pretty attractive woman. While her court pics show her wearing frumpy clothing and school marm eyeglasses. Trying desperately to downplay her attractiveness so she'll seem less sexual.
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LOL @ jodiariasisinnocent.com oh my
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Word of advice stemming from the Jodi Arias trial to all guys: Never tell a psycho ex-girlfriend that just spent the night having sex with you that you are going on vacation with another girl.
Quote by BuzThe attorney who represented Casey Anthony commented and said from the look of things that this Martinez guy prosecuting the case isn't doing a good job in the death penalty department. So as of right now, she probably wouldn't get the death penalty.
Before the trial started she said that she would never be convicted. Right now I think her attorneys are just trying to save her from the death penalty.Word of advice stemming from the Jodi Arias trial to all guys: Never tell a psycho ex-girlfriend that just spent the night having sex with you that you are going on vacation with another girl.
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Well, it's pretty clear to me, that this Travis Alexander( not the saint media is portraying him to be) used and abused Jodi Arias for his own needs and desires).
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Well, it's pretty clear to me, that this Travis Alexander( not the saint media is portraying him to be) used and abused Jodi Arias for his own needs and desires).
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Really? I think the sex thing was very mutual. I think she was using it as bait to keep his interest (a kind of manipulation in itself) but to me it's a standard 'Friends with Benefits' turned stalker case. He's not a saint but when you're just not seeing long term potential with a girl and break it off and she then offers herself up as a "I want to fulfill all your dirtiest sexual fantasies" fuckbuddy, 99% of guys are going to take that deal in the short-term (especially in a chaste mormon community). I don't think he used or abused her at all - he's a typical guy. He just enjoyed what was offered and they went down the rabbit hole of kinky sex together. At one point he had written some email or text that said something like "Sometimes I feel like I'm nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat to you" - so she was clearly a sexual aggressor as well. I think she used the sex to hang on to him and when she ultimately realized it wasn't working, she snapped.
It makes me laugh when they try to condemn Travis as a 'sexual deviant' because he liked anal sex. Oh em gee. So do 80% of guys under 40 yrs old. Sex in the courtroom really hasn't caught up to the current 'sexual times', generationally speaking. The dom/sub vibe in some of their roleplays and consensual erotic humiliation is very standard stuff and not at all 'shocking' or out of the norm.
Quote by Dancing_DollThe text message was "I'm a dildo with a heartbeat" Followed by "Whore" Meaning: I'm only giving you my dick! you fucking whore!
Really? I think the sex thing was very mutual. I think she was using it as bait to keep his interest (a kind of manipulation in itself) but to me it's a standard 'Friends with Benefits' turned stalker case. He's not a saint but when you're just not seeing long term potential with a girl and break it off and she then offers herself up as a "I want to fulfill all your dirtiest sexual fantasies" fuckbuddy, 99% of guys are going to take that deal in the short-term (especially in a chaste mormon community). I don't think he used or abused her at all - he's a typical guy. He just enjoyed what was offered and they went down the rabbit hole of kinky sex together. At one point he had written some email or text that said something like "Sometimes I feel like I'm nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat to you" - so she was clearly a sexual aggressor as well. I think she used the sex to hang on to him and when she ultimately realized it wasn't working, she snapped.
It makes me laugh when they try to condemn Travis as a 'sexual deviant' because he liked anal sex. Oh em gee. So do 80% of guys under 40 yrs old. Sex in the courtroom really hasn't caught up to the current 'sexual times', generationally speaking. The dom/sub vibe in some of their roleplays and consensual erotic humiliation is very standard stuff and not at all 'shocking' or out of the norm.
But he's one of 250 people out of what? 14k associates to have a ring? He carries himself like a shady used car salesman.Quote by BuzA lot of people are gonna be shocked if they get her on that. Life in prison is my guess.
Travis Alexander is only guilty of poor decisions. He should have stood firm when he broke up with Jodi Arias and not let her seduce him into sex again. But what guy hasn't made that mistake, sex with a sexually aggressive ex. Unfortunately he paid with his life. It would be only fitting for her to pay the same price for her premeditated murder.
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The text message was "I'm a dildo with a heartbeat" Followed by "Whore" Meaning: I'm only giving you my dick you fucking whore.
Allow me to rephrase: After the sparks of this relationship fizzled out, It's pretty clear to me that Travis Alexander strung jodi Arias along for his own wants and desires. She was his dark dirty little secret. Yes, they both where guilty of willing participation but he also threw it in her face and degraded her for doing it. She was acused of slashing his tires multiple times, hacking his facebook account, sending menacing messages, yet she was still welcome in his place the day he was murdered. She snapped when she realized that there was no chance of being a part of his life other than for secret sex encounters while he pursued other prospects and taunted her with that so, she killed him.
In my opinion, he didn't take into account that her life was as bad as his was growing up, just in a different sort of way. His friends say a goal of his was to help troubled youth, Yet he was abusive towards his own girlfriend who had a troubled past.
So he was successful for a suspect pyramid marketing company selling legal insurance and making money off recruits that sell legal insurance. I've tried jobs of that nature when i was young and all it required to be a success is being a good bullshitter and decent communication skills. Did you see that the testimony of that Gus Searcy? The gold ring wearer, Mr. 100k a year and doesn't even have to get out of bed? The judge asked if he could provide legal counsel for himself, he looked at his watch and said" not at this time of day."
Again, no way do i think the guy desvered to be murdered, but don't make him out to be something he's not. It's pretty evident he had some moral issues and questionable character for being of mormon faith. Oral and anal is fine but we can't do vaginal? lol probably didn't want to risk getting her pregnant.
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Well, he was a 30 yr old guy who was expected to be a virgin until marriage. A lot of people that are forced into chastity due to religion/culture often go for anal and oral and reason it in their mind that as long as the hymen isn't broken or it's not vaginal, then it doesn't count as real sex. Hey, even Bill Clinton would agree with this logic. I would say he was struggling with his faith, but I don't question his character. I'm not religious, but as a human being I can see that the law of chastity (in the literally translated sense) probably only works if one is planning to get married right out of high school.
I strongly disagree with the 'he was throwing it in her face and being abusive'. What you're referring to is consensual erotic humiliation (ie. "you're going to be my dirty little whore tonight" and "I'm going to tie you up like a little slut and fuck your mouth" etc.). Some people don't understand the roleplay context of this, but based on their sexual kinks and what they did, this kind of interplay is definitely part of this scene and very much consensual in dom/sub play. It's not meant to be insulting or taken in a literal way to be degrading. She was a sexually open and assertive girl, not some shrinking wallflower virgin so I have no doubt she was into it too. Again, it's pretty common with the under 40 crowd as far as roleplay/sexting/porn/fantasies go. If they put up my text messages for example, they would be wayyyyyy more shocking than anything between these two and I'd never consider myself to be abused or the abuser in any of it. It's just part of the kink.
When you said he was "abusive to his own girlfriend" I assume that means you're buying into her claims of physical abuse?
All her stories are so laughable to me without supporting evidence. Especially the allegations. That's just beyond the pale - it's like killing him twice. Her dragging him through the mud so relentlessly might end up backfiring on her when it gets to the penalty phase of the trial.
Quote by Dancing_DollFrom what i gather, couples from Prepaid legal accompanied them on some of thier trips. There was testimony that stated he became very angry and verbally abusive because Jody packed too many items into HER backpack before a hiking trip.They testified that they couldn't believe he reacted that way over something so trivial. (Never saw that side of him) I guess Travis and Jody didn't speak to each other for a half hour afterward, then it was forgotten about. If i remember right they might even have mentioned the word 'rage' in thier testimony regarding that particular incident. Also, there was mention that Travis pushed/shoved. her in another incident where he was very angry (verbally abusive) with her. It's been well noted that he did not reciprocate her public displays of affection but, look what went on behind closed doors.
Well, he was a 30 yr old guy who was expected to be a virgin until marriage. A lot of people that are forced into chastity due to religion/culture often go for anal and oral and reason it in their mind that as long as the hymen isn't broken or it's not vaginal, then it doesn't count as real sex. Hey, even Bill Clinton would agree with this logic. I would say he was struggling with his faith, but I don't question his character. I'm not religious, but as a human being I can see that the law of chastity (in the literally translated sense) probably only works if one is planning to get married right out of high school.
I strongly disagree with the 'he was throwing it in her face and being abusive'. What you're referring to is consensual erotic humiliation (ie. "you're going to be my dirty little whore tonight" and "I'm going to tie you up like a little slut and fuck your mouth" etc.). Some people don't understand the roleplay context of this, but based on their sexual kinks and what they did, this kind of interplay is definitely part of this scene and very much consensual in dom/sub play. It's not meant to be insulting or taken in a literal way to be degrading. She was a sexually open and assertive girl, not some shrinking wallflower virgin so I have no doubt she was into it too. Again, it's pretty common with the under 40 crowd as far as roleplay/sexting/porn/fantasies go. If they put up my text messages for example, they would be wayyyyyy more shocking than anything between these two and I'd never consider myself to be abused or the abuser in any of it. It's just part of the kink.
When you said he was "abusive to his own girlfriend" I assume that means you're buying into her claims of physical abuse?
All her stories are so laughable to me without supporting evidence. Especially the allegations. That's just beyond the pale - it's like killing him twice. Her dragging him through the mud so relentlessly might end up backfiring on her when it gets to the penalty phase of the trial.
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From what i gather, couples from Prepaid legal accompanied them on some of thier trips. There was testimony that stated he became very angry and verbally abusive because Jody packed too many items into HER backpack before a hiking trip.They testified that they couldn't believe he reacted that way over something so trivial. (Never saw that side of him) I guess Travis and Jody didn't speak to each other for a half hour afterward, then it was forgotten about. If i remember right they might even have mentioned the word 'rage' in thier testimony regarding that particular incident. Also, there was mention that Travis pushed/shoved. her in another incident where he was very angry (verbally abusive) with her. It's been well noted that he did not reciprocate her public displays of affection but, look what went on behind closed doors.
Back to the 'Dildo with a heartbeat' text, among other insulting texts towards her? I guess prosecution tried to have those omitted from the case.
There's a lot of underhanded play in this case, the defense has filed a motion for prosacutorial misbehavior based on testimony of a witness testifying under oath that she's been watching the case on tv looking for clues that might trip Arias up and she's been instructed to relay information to the prosecution's para legal. Think it was Skylee Hughes that testified to that testified to that. Anyone on the prosecution's witness list cannot view the trial on tv, speak with reporters etc..... untill released from thier subeona by the court. prosecution's also brought in 2 surprise witnesses that were not on thier witness list,guess that's also a no-no.
Quote by KitanicaVery odd that she took the gun and knife but not the camera don't you agree? considering that she is a photographer and probably knowledgable about camera's and what can be done to recapture/salvage images from damaged camera's.
Like I said the dildo comment is wrong. Whoever typed that paraphrased it badly.
And as far as rage the prosecution is claiming she dragged the body and took photos as she was doing it. I don't see how self defense in a bathroom turns into dragging him to the hallway, snapping photos. Putting him in the bathroom again and throwing the camera in the washing machine (where the police found it)
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Very odd that she took the gun and knife but not the camera don't you agree? considering that she is a photographer and probably knowledgable about camera's and what can be done to recapture/salvage images from damaged camera's.
I'm not defending her, i just think that it's very strange and doesn't make sense.
