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Quote by RavenStar


It's like you reached into my brain and plucked the words right out!

This. Exactly this.


While I agree with Burquette, she did say that her name was on the shelf. It wasn't "book store staff picks", it was her name. One of the things that always is brought up when this argument resurfaces is that the conspiracy theorists want to know which mod gave the RR.
Quote by Shadowforce1


While some of what you said I agree with, not all of it, though. What you or some people might call mediocre (insert laugh). Some people like myself included will find it interesting. Yes, people have different taste so the same story that you read that has a "lasting" effect on you would have a "yawn" effect on someone else. Now you might see an ugly, hideous how did you say it? Oh sloth-like creature, while I might see a beautiful baby. Who is wrong? So yes I agree on the part that you think that the mediocre should get better and try and edit better, proofread better or whatever the case maybe. I don't call people mediocre just a thing I have against a scale system I hate them! Saying, one person is better than other based on one person's outlook is pure stupidity.

I have never said and will never say that it relies on a "friend or knowing a person" system. I have just stated in the past and what I (personally) have read is not worthy of an RR to me. Which can go hand in hand as you or other people can read any of my stories and say NONE is worthy, which I can wholeheartedly say YAY! I do not strive for an RR. I like my stories to be different not to coincide with the "norm."

What I agreed with JC about is. I can see where he gets the idea from. And for anyone to blindly sit and say NO YOU'RE WRONG. Well now that is being the sloth creature you mentioned (not saying, anyone, is). Every system can be seen different by every individual and while some see it as perfect and working. Some might see it needing a tweak or another look. As someone once said, nothing in this world is perfect. So before saying it is always the mediocre complaining/whining. Take a look again and see it from someone else's view not just your own.

Like I said before I am not pointing fingers or am I judging anyone. In my eyes, your all great writers. Hell just putting your work and thoughts online to be seen by many deserves a hand clap. Keep up the good work and keep writing and striving for whatever you want from this site. Myself I like any comments whether you copy and paste it, say you like it, hate it. Just give it a read and rate it a 1. I like writing and not getting an RR, or a five will not stop me. Not even being called mediocre (laugh) Sorry that word just makes me laugh.


Look, I checked JC'c profile and read a little bit of his writing. He is not the worst I have ever seen but he is certainly not the best. I think mediocre is more than fair, maybe even generous.

If JC had RRs he wouldn't even be bringing this up. No mod thought he was worthy to recommend, that's it.

And if nothing is perfect then no amount of tweaking is going to make the RR system better. And I hope you are not suggesting that they tweak it enough so that everyone can have RRs, even the mediocre writers, because that would make it pointless.
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While I agree with Burquette, she did say that her name was on the shelf. It wasn't "book store staff picks", it was her name. One of the things that always is brought up when this argument resurfaces is that the conspiracy theorists want to know which mod gave the RR.


I probably wouldn't have wanted my name on the shelf if all the authors shopped there.
Quote by Burquette


I probably wouldn't have wanted my name on the shelf if all the authors shopped there.


Exactly.
Quote by Burquette
When I worked at a bookstore, I had a recommended read shelf with my name on it. That's how I see the award here--a mod put my story on their shelf.

At the bookstore, I never had to justify my choices; I could switch them out as often as I liked. It was one of the few delights of holding a minimum wage, crap, customer service job. The mods don't even get the minimum wage part.


I own a small bookshop and recommend books often.
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When I worked at a bookstore, I had a recommended read shelf with my name on it. That's how I see the award here--a mod put my story on their shelf.

At the bookstore, I never had to justify my choices; I could switch them out as often as I liked. It was one of the few delights of holding a minimum wage, crap, customer service job. The mods don't even get the minimum wage part.


Yes, but everyone knew they were your choices. Here it is not so clear. Yes the mods do good work, being open would help them as well.... This was not to bash anyone, just trying to fix what many see as an issue.
Quote by JC72


Yes, but everyone knew they were your choices. Here it is not so clear. Yes the mods do good work, being open would help them as well.... This was not to bash anyone, just trying to fix what many see as an issue.


Like I said above, if authors had shopped where I worked, I wouldn't have wanted my name on a RR shelf. I would have gotten nothing done all day except explaining my preferences to the authors that didn't make my list. Which, I would imagine is why the RR remain anonymous.
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Like I said above, if authors had shopped where I worked, I wouldn't have wanted my name on a RR shelf. I would have gotten nothing done all day except explaining my preferences to the authors that didn't make my list. Which, I would imagine is why the RR remain anonymous.


You just answered the obvious, open RR, no need to explain... You say mods work hard which is true, but so do a lot of writers who deserve to be noticed... Thanks for trying...
A reader's choice, is a matter of their own opinion.
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The administration and other story moderators can and do see which mod gives an RR. This information is also available to the writer in their timeline. I assure everyone that these are monitored and, rarely, Nicola herself has reminded the moderating staff to carefully consider how and when these are awarded. Rest assured that we don't hand these out in a vacuum.

To me; that is how it should be. I do not see any reason a third party should be made aware of what mod awarded an RR to a story that was not theirs. Why it would be so critical for a person other than the writer or other mods to have that information is beyond me, but I assure you that the drama it would cause would quickly put an end to anyone like me awarding one. We have enough scrutiny and necessity to explain ourselves in threads like this to invite that kind of personal second guessing.
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The administration and other story moderators can and do see which mod gives an RR. This information is also available to the writer in their timeline. I assure everyone that these are monitored and, rarely, Nicola herself has reminded the moderating staff to carefully consider how and when these are awarded. Rest assured that we don't hand these out in a vacuum.

To me; that is how it should be. I do not see any reason a third party should be made aware of what mod awarded an RR to a story that was not theirs. Why it would be so critical for a person other than the writer or other mods to have that information is beyond me, but I assure you that the drama it would cause would quickly put an end to anyone like me awarding one. We have enough scrutiny and necessity to explain ourselves in threads like this to invite that kind of personal second guessing.


Not all stories are worthy an RR. Lets be honest WE would not be writing if we were not a tad fickle' d. I'm not naïve enough to think all my works worth of a RR.


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Quote by Milik_the_Red
The administration and other story moderators can and do see which mod gives an RR. This information is also available to the writer in their timeline. I assure everyone that these are monitored and, rarely, Nicola herself has reminded the moderating staff to carefully consider how and when these are awarded. Rest assured that we don't hand these out in a vacuum.

To me; that is how it should be. I do not see any reason a third party should be made aware of what mod awarded an RR to a story that was not theirs. Why it would be so critical for a person other than the writer or other mods to have that information is beyond me, but I assure you that the drama it would cause would quickly put an end to anyone like me awarding one. We have enough scrutiny and necessity to explain ourselves in threads like this to invite that kind of personal second guessing.


But that's exactly what makes the recommendation process utterly meaningless. If you walked into a bookshop and saw "Recommended by anonymous" you would be well within your rights to question the validity of the recommendation.

I appreciate the drama and difficulty involved in having a transparent system but it means we're left with an opaque system which, as you've alluded to, has and will naturally gravitate towards cronyism. It will always be questioned. It was an ill-concerned idea, albeit with the best intentions.

If people want to be recommended, the process is simple: get as many friends as you can who are mods. And make sure you get them to read your stuff. The more who read it, the more likely one of them will recommend it. It's playing a percentage game. If you're only relying on the person who approved it to give it an RR you're just relying on luck.
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An RR Should be awarded on merit. It's not a 'gold star' dished out by your Mod friends.

A story receiving an RR should be of very high quality, displaying a high standard of grammar and spelling and be outstanding in other ways. It's not as good as an EP but it should stand out from the crowd.

I don't think we should start discussing and dissecting this issue. RRs are a nice way to award authors and giving recognition for writing a very good story that deserves to be read. On the other hand, they shouldn't be sprinkled out willy nilly.

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But that's exactly what makes the recommendation process utterly meaningless. If you walked into a bookshop and saw "Recommended by anonymous" you would be well within your rights to question the validity of the recommendation.

I appreciate the drama and difficulty involved in having a transparent system but it means we're left with an opaque system which, as you've alluded to, has and will naturally gravitate towards cronyism. It will always be questioned. It was an ill-concerned idea, albeit with the best intentions.

If people want to be recommended, the process is simple: get as many friends as you can who are mods. And make sure you get them to read your stuff. The more who read it, the more likely one of them will recommend it. It's playing a percentage game. If you're only relying on the person who approved it to give it an RR you're just relying on luck.


Yeah but when you walk into a book store and see that fucking Brad recommended Twilight: New Moon it might as well be anonymous because you don't know fucking Brad. And if you do know Brad then you probably don't need to go to the store to get his recommend.

When video rental places still existed, the one I went to had "staff picks". It didn't say fucking Brad recommends the Little Mermaid.
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Yeah but when you walk into a book store and see that fucking Brad recommended Twilight: New Moon it might as well be anonymous because you don't know fucking Brad. And if you do know Brad then you probably don't need to go to the store to get his recommend.

When video rental places still existed, the one I went to had "staff picks". It didn't say fucking Brad recommends the Little Mermaid.



That's exactly the point though. If Brad has recommended Twilight I'm probably not going to bother picking up any other of his recommendations. It's like when you see 5 star ratings on movie posters. I'm more likely to believe the 5 stars from magazines and reviewers whose opinion I respect rather 5 star reviews from celebrity gossip websites.
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Yeah but when you walk into a book store and see that fucking Brad recommended Twilight: New Moon it might as well be anonymous because you don't know fucking Brad. And if you do know Brad then you probably don't need to go to the store to get his recommend.

When video rental places still existed, the one I went to had "staff picks". It didn't say fucking Brad recommends the Little Mermaid.



That's exactly the point though. If Brad has recommended Twilight I'm probably not going to bother picking up any other of his recommendations. It's like when you see 5 star ratings on movie posters. I'm more likely to believe the 5 stars from magazines and reviewers whose opinion I respect rather 5 star reviews from celebrity gossip websites.
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That's exactly the point though. If Brad has recommended Twilight I'm probably not going to bother picking up any other of his recommendations. It's like when you see 5 star ratings on movie posters. I'm more likely to believe the 5 stars from magazines and reviewers whose opinion I respect rather 5 star reviews from celebrity gossip websites.


Yeah but like in a bookstore you aren't going to see Dan Brown go up to fucking Brad and be like "what the fuck Brad? You recommend Twilight but not The Lost Symbol? I'm sorry I'm not your butt buddy like Stephanie Meyer but I am so much better. This is some bullshit, Brad". Because that is what would happen on Lush.
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Yeah but like in a bookstore you aren't going to see Dan Brown go up to fucking Brad and be like "what the fuck Brad? You recommend Twilight but not The Lost Symbol? I'm sorry I'm not your butt buddy like Stephanie Meyer but I am so much better. This is some bullshit, Brad". Because that is what would happen on Lush.


That's why I say the system can never work properly here. If it's transparent, it causes drama. If it's opaque, people think it's corrupt. Milik's already admitted that Nicola's had to get involved in the past when the mod's have got a bit "comfortable" with their recommendations .

Good stuff should get recognition, I just don't think this is the best way to do it.
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That's why I say the system can never work properly here. If it's transparent, it causes drama. If it's opaque, people think it's corrupt. Milik's already admitted that Nicola's had to get involved in the past when the mod's have got a bit "comfortable" with their recommendations .

Good stuff should get recognition, I just don't think this is the best way to do it.


I suppose. But like what other way could a recommended read thingy work?

The RR isn't some serious thing (as I am sure you know). The problem is some writers think it is and see it as getting recognition or some kind of award. How can you change how people see it?

I think a lot of people on lush are very immature when it comes to this kind of stuff, almost shameless. Just look at the threads where member's recommend other member's stories, do those picks seem credible to you?
You could always just ask the person who gave them the RR, I do and not because I think that any mod here gives RR's to friends. As far as I am aware the system is fairly strict and monitored so a Mod would not get away with doing such a thing.

I ask because some Mods are harder to get RR's from (not that I have one I am mediocre at best and never expect to get one) and I mean no disrespect to any mod as I know how hard you all work. Perhaps this is simply because some mods have more time to approve stories than others which is why it appears this way but still if say my friend said Liz or Sprite awarded the RR I would be fucking in awe of them for having been awarded it by them.

I am not meaning to offend any mod and hope I don't its just that if/when I have asked the question they rarely reply with people like Liz or Rachel as the ones who awarded the RR to them. That being said I have also never noticed that any particular mod is responsible for awarding RR's consistently to a member who is also a friend. In my experience they tend not to or perhaps ask a fellow mod to look and give their opinion if they feel it does deserve one, That's what I would do but I still don't think any mod should have to just because people who don't receive them whine about it and think their is a conspiracy going on.

I certainly don't agree that...

The mod who issues the RR should be made public...as I said you could just ask the member and what good would it do? Just add to the conspiracy theory members who don't have RR's have cooked up.

If a mod gives a member an RR they should be restricted time wise as to when they can issue another to said member friend or not and who is going to monitor that? waste of time imho.

Mods not being able to give members who are also friends awards...Why should mods be restricted as to who they can friend? In theory they should not friend anyone who writes just in case they write something worthy of an award.

Readers be allowed to pick/make suggestions because most of them will be friends with the writer and biased. We could end up with a bunch of crap stories listed just because that particular writer has hundreds of friends who will suggest them as opposed to someone who only has 9 friends but has written a brilliant story and deserves the recommendation. This suggestion makes no sense to me, how is suggesting this and asking for it not hypocritical of suggesting a mod would give an RR purely because a member is their friend when they have restrictions and are monitored..friends are not are they?

Just my in yet another forum about how and when and whom should get RR's
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You could always just ask the person who gave them the RR, I do and not because I think that any mod here gives RR's to friends. As far as I am aware the system is fairly strict and monitored so a Mod would not get away with doing such a thing.

I ask because some Mods are harder to get RR's from (not that I have one I am mediocre at best and never expect to get one) and I mean no disrespect to any mod as I know how hard you all work. Perhaps this is simply because some mods have more time to approve stories than others which is why it appears this way but still if say my friend said Liz or Sprite awarded the RR I would be fucking in awe of them for having been awarded it by them.

I am not meaning to offend any mod and hope I don't its just that if/when I have asked the question they rarely reply with people like Liz or Rachel as the ones who awarded the RR to them. That being said I have also never noticed that any particular mod is responsible for awarding RR's consistently to a member who is also a friend. In my experience they tend not to or perhaps ask a fellow mod to look and give their opinion if they feel it does deserve one, That's what I would do but I still don't think any mod should have to just because people who don't receive them whine about it and think their is a conspiracy going on.

I certainly don't agree that...

The mod who issues the RR should be made public...as I said you could just ask the member and what good would it do? Just add to the conspiracy theory members who don't have RR's have cooked up.

If a mod gives a member an RR they should be restricted time wise as to when they can issue another to said member friend or not and who is going to monitor that? waste of time imho.

Mods not being able to give members who are also friends awards...Why should mods be restricted as to who they can friend? In theory they should not friend anyone who writes just in case they write something worthy of an award.

Readers be allowed to pick/make suggestions because most of them will be friends with the writer and biased. We could end up with a bunch of crap stories listed just because that particular writer has hundreds of friends who will suggest them as opposed to someone who only has 9 friends but has written a brilliant story and deserves the recommendation. This suggestion makes no sense to me, how is suggesting this and asking for it not hypocritical of suggesting a mod would give an RR purely because a member is their friend when they have restrictions and are monitored..friends are not are they?

Just my in yet another forum about how and when and whom should get RR's







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You just answered the obvious, open RR, no need to explain... You say mods work hard which is true, but so do a lot of writers who deserve to be noticed... Thanks for trying...


Just to be clear... I don't agree with "opening" the RR (putting a mod's name on it). I didn't just say the mods work hard, though they do; I said that customer service (which is what you get here through the editing process) is a crap job with few perks. One is awarding RR. You take that perk away when you take the anonymity away because every RR will be met with criticism, accusations of cronyism, and other ugly behavior directed at the individual mod.

I think this is a good way to see less RR, rather than more. If you want wider recognition for more authors, I would imagine this change would be counter to your goals.
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Good stuff should get recognition, I just don't think this is the best way to do it.


You raise some good points. Although, surely you just want to have a nosey at who recommended which story etc. I understand your reason for this too.

If any member feels that a story needs praise and recognition any member can contact one of us to bring it to our attention or vote it for an EP. As you mentioned we don't all get to read the same stories. I mod a lot of stories yet don't award them probably as much as another. I'd gladly show anyone the stories I've awarded and give an explanation as to why.

It's a little perk for the individual mod when a story just blows or minds or impacts on us in some way. Some others may agree and some, well they may not. Members have their favourite list, we don't need an explanation as to why they are have chosen them. We are merely recommending stories that are (or should be) of a high standard for new and existing members to also enjoy.
What I really don't understand is the people that think whenever this subject comes up. That it's an attack of some sort on the MOD's, first off. NO ONE is attacking the MOD's. Everyone on this site knows they all do a GREAT job. They take the time to go through our BS and hear reasons and excuses why we think our story should be approved. They aren't paid or get extras for doing what they do. So let's throw that thought right out the window and have an adult conversation about the system and question at hand. Now I know some people think the system at hand is perfect the way it is. Which I can see, I am not blind there are some stories I have read that are awesome. But some people don't. I will use an example from an entirely different situation. The NFL has a voting system for the top 100 players of the year. It is voted on by the peers, not outside people. And to this day, it is still being criticized for having flaws. The Heisman for college is voted on every year, and that is still being criticized. So what I am saying is ALL systems no matter how they are done will always be criticized not because of the people voting or the people that get the votes. It's the way the human brain works. Just talk about it that's all. Don't call names, don't judge, there is no attack or "hidden" agenda.

I have read the original post over and over and as a person that has worked in the HR business and being called into the HR office many times. I see no attack or blame being sent to anybody. Just an open question. So why the attack?
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Just a quick note... I was here before... and not once did my work get any RR's...
This time, I have received a few... and I might add on poems I did not even think would ever...
The majority of them... by non friends... just mods that get my work...

I dont question this anymore or less than I did before... as I do write more for me than anything... I learned long ago that by me writing be it here on in journals it keeps me... with in my own sanity.... or insanity which ever you prefer.

but can I say this... can there be a suggestion box type thing... and if more than lets say 10 people non mods recommend it as an RR then perhaps the team can really look at it... as most writings only get seen by perhaps one mod as they work with that person. just saying... that way if others in the public see it as worthy of mention then the team can look at it closely
Uhm...

I've read (almost) every comment so far. (I will be handing out some kisses later.uIssIW52erX1qqkY ) I even read a story or two and looked at the profile of two or three commenters I'm not really familiar with. (I've some time on my hands this morning.)

Still...

I can't get past the fact that a working Professor of Literature (let alone two) read 20 Lush stories (each) to help establish a Recommended Read theory for a novice to post on the social boards of a free sex stories site in May. Really. I bet they are tenured and "stuff" too, because that would definitely strengthen their point of view and the importance of those stats. They could possibly be random, drifting, filler adjunct staff. In that case I could possibly understand the reason why...

But, I'm not really into math either. So, let me keep sipping my tea. I mean coffee.
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An RR Should be awarded on merit. It's not a 'gold star' dished out by your Mod friends.

A story receiving an RR should be of very high quality, displaying a high standard of grammar and spelling and be outstanding in other ways. It's not as good as an EP but it should stand out from the crowd.

I don't think we should start discussing and dissecting this issue. RRs are a nice way to award authors and giving recognition for writing a very good story that deserves to be read. On the other hand, they shouldn't be sprinkled out willy nilly.

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This!

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I am a senior story verifier and started modding stories before we started the RR system. I think the RR system we have is the best possible way to implement it.

All mods are members who volunteer to do the job. Our time is limited and we already get numerous complaints about turnaround time on story verification. Adding more duties to that would only make that situation worse.

If I catch a story from a new member that, in my opinion, deserves an RR or even comes close, I generally like to send them a friend request. I like to know good writers. That is one of the most fun aspects of my membership here on Lush. I do not give anyone on my friends list an RR unless I feel that their story deserves it, and quite frankly, I feel 100% confident that every story verifier on Lush takes that same approach.

The authors who have received a lot of RRs are the authors that consistently write high-quality stories and in fact, their RRs are dished out by quite a variety of verifiers.

If you want to start receiving RRs for your stories, make sure that you are competent in grammar and spelling, create plots and storylines that are interesting and believable, and keep working at it until you create something exceptional. Then you will gain the attention of the story verifiers. Believe me, we salivate when we find high-quality stories in the verification queue.

I can tell you that finding a quality proofreader to help you out will greatly benefit your stories. A fresh set of eyes always catches things the original author misses.

You may not know this, but it is a lot easier to approve a story right away than to reject it. Plus when it is rejected, we know that in most cases we will be having to read it for approval again. In some cases again and again...

As far as disagreeing with some RRs. That is going to happen regardless. Some writing styles, story subjects and so forth are not going to be to your liking. But there will be a lot of people who totally disagree with you.

Another thing, for someone to be considered for a story verifier position they must be someone who has proved their knowledge of grammar and ability to understand how to consistently create a quality story. Great consideration goes into choosing who will get the opportunity to take on this challenging job.

If you seriously want to improve your story writing, then please contact anyone of the verifying staff and ask them for serious feedback on what it will take for you to get to that level.

If you want RRs, then submit RR quality!