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Insert typical super smart ass comment courtesy of thepainter here.
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I don't know about sitting next to someone on a bus, but I sure wouldn't want to sit next to a guy like this in an internet cafe...
"Jacksonville police said a woman was killed Monday afternoon by what appears to be the accidental discharge of a concealed firearm.
Police said a man with a concealed weapons permit went into the Allied Veterans Cyber Center Internet café on the Westside in the 5800 block of Normandy Boulevard just east of Lane Avenue.
Police said the man’s gun was mishandled or dropped and discharged, striking a woman in the back. Witnesses said the gun fell from the man’s belt.
Officers said the woman in her 40s, whose name has not yet been released, died at Shands…."
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I don't dispute the stats MrNudiePants. And I know there are many responsible concealed permit owners out there. But those stats still only reference 'accidental gun death'. The homicide numbers are much, much higher. And, for those who end up in an instant of rage while in public, the idea of having something handy that is lethal is very scary to me. Look at the cases of road rage, alcohol/drug use while in public that frays judgment, violence in bars/clubs because someone hit on your girl, or looked at you the wrong way, or arguments between couples... We all have moments of blind anger/rage and I would not want to have a gun handy during those moments...
The link below lists many such examples. I do understand what you're saying... not everyone is careless like this. But.. if they have the permits, then someone out there thought they were able to handle such a responsibility.
http://www.opposingviews.com/p/brady-campaign-obama-agrees-on-dangers-of-concealed-carry
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I don't dispute the stats MrNudiePants. And I know there are many responsible concealed permit owners out there. But those stats still only reference 'accidental gun death'. The homicide numbers are much, much higher. And, for those who end up in an instant of rage while in public, the idea of having something handy that is lethal is very scary to me. Look at the cases of road rage, alcohol/drug use while in public that frays judgment, violence in bars/clubs because someone hit on your girl, or looked at you the wrong way, or arguments between couples... We all have moments of blind anger/rage and I would not want to have a gun handy during those moments...
The link below lists many such examples. I do understand what you're saying... not everyone is careless like this. But.. if they have the permits, then someone out there thought they were able to handle such a responsibility.
http://www.opposingviews.com/p/brady-campaign-obama-agrees-on-dangers-of-concealed-carry
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I actually leave my gun in my truck when I go to a bar. Most bars and clubs don't allow people to carry. Which I'm fine with that because people do stupid shit when they're drunk.
Amen, chef. As a Concealed Weapon Permit holder myself, you won't know if I'm carrying unless I choose to let you know. I have the feeling your hubby and I would get along.
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I actually leave my gun in my truck when I go to a bar. Most bars and clubs don't allow people to carry. Which I'm fine with that because people do stupid shit when they're drunk.
Very true... Although isn't it scary when everyone comes out of the bar while drunk... to their guns and their vehicles? It might be difficult for some people to resist the temptation to use either/or.
Not always... just saying... this would factor into my mind when the club closes.
Thank god for taxis... LOL
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How did this turn into a pro vs anti gun thread (laughs)...only on Lush...Look, anything can be a weapon in the right hands...
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PS. Does anyone know where I can buy an Uzi? Cause that shit was awesome.
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PS. Does anyone know where I can buy an Uzi? Cause that shit was awesome.
I know a guy.YUmovltcwYM0dW65
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And please, please, please, can we not quote the constitution like it was handed down by the gods.
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And please, please, please, can we not quote the constitution like it was handed down by the gods. The second amendment refers to the forming of militias in a time when communities in the newly formed nation were still believed to be under threat of attack. This was 1791 people. It doesn't mean that "Billy Bob" gets to have a semi-automatic with amour piercing bullets.
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Now I don't mean to trash the USA. (Trust me, I've defended the US more times than I can remember). But this reflex reference to the constitution as the be-all and end-all gets a little tiresome. It's almost a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to intelligent discussion. Its almost as irritating as when people quote the bible to justify their beliefs or actions.
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what apsects are still relevant. Freedom of speech? relevant. Freedom of press? relevant. Freedom to form militias? not so much. You have the 2nd largest army in the world. Pretty sure you're ok when it comes to defense.
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I in no way meant to trash the entire constitution. I just think as rational human beings, we should be able to decipher what apsects are still relevant. Freedom of speech? relevant. Freedom of press? relevant. Freedom to form militias? not so much. You have the 2nd largest army in the world. Pretty sure you're ok when it comes to defense. With the most advanced military in the world, I'm sure you and your M-16 can take a day off. (Unless you feel the need to patrol the border to shoot Mexicans or course). Because, obviously you're under imminent threat of invasion! Or is it the forces of the evil Obama that seek to take away your precious firearms? In that case, you should blockade yourself in a cabin ruby ridge-style...or pull a Timothy Mcveigh and really show 'em....
All jokes aside though...If you want to own a gun, fine. Just don't try and rationalize it with some over-romantisized ideal of "freedom".
PM me about that Uzi connection though
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Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses , papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized.
We started here with full body scans, but how about we consider illegal wiretapping, recording e-mails and phone conversations as a mater of course, have you heard of "sneak and peak?" That is where a government agency hacks into your computer, without a warrant, and searches your hard drive.
The unpleasantness at the airport is only the tip of the iceberg on this one.
We do live in a modern age and air travel is how we cross great distances quickly. It is not magic. There is no reason that we should be subject to an illegal search before we board a plane. The best security people will tell you that the screening is a show. they are reinforcing to public that they should feel safe when disarmed. Is that reality? "Don't worry the man with the gun over there, on our payroll, is looking out for you."
We live in a day when a 4000 page document (the Patriot Act) was railroaded through congress after what is at best described as a questionable event. That document seeks to gut the protections spelled out in the Bill of Rights.
So yes, I'd say all these Amendments are relevant.
The freedom that makes the United States great is not the freedom to choose your own brand of beer or bitch about what's on TV. The freedom that makes The United States great is that you and I have protecion from and a say in the government, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
It's not our given right to enjoy those freedoms, it's our duty to protect them.
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Gee, how did I manage to piss off both the right and left wing?
Do you own a gun because you feel that your freedom is in danger?
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Or because its fun to shoot stuff?
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The rest of the western world seems to get along just fine without flooding their populations with firearms. Or is your "right" to have a ridiculously high murder rate as well?
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Gee, how did I manage to piss off both the right and left wing?
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...tomorrow we'll all be living in some Orwellian dystopia, blah blah, blah.
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Okay, just for the fun of it, I tried to make a quick project of researching worldwide gun ownership, and then correlate that to worldwide murder rates. I didn't break out non-firearm-related murders from the rest of the pack - I just don't want to take that kind of time today. The top ten countries, in terms of gun ownership are:
1. United States... Guns Per 100: 90.............Murder rank: 24th
2. Yemen............Guns Per 100: 61..............Murder rank: 27th
3. Finland............Guns Per 100: 56..............Murder rank: 30th
4. Switzerland.....Guns Per 100: 46..............Murder rank: 56th
5. Iraq...............Guns Per 100: 39.............. Murder rank: Not listed. (Possibly because the ongoing military actions make "murder" a questionable term.)
6. Serbia............Guns Per 100: 38..............Murder rank: Also not listed. (Possibly due to lack of data?)
7. France............Guns Per 100: 32.............. Murder rank: 16th
8. Canada...........Guns Per 100: 31.............. Murder rank: 30th
8. Sweden...........Guns Per 100: 31..............Murder rank: 45th
8. Austria ...........Guns Per 100: 31.............. Murder rank: 65th
All data came from these two sites:
Gun Ownership
Murder Rates
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Just out of curiosity because maybe I am reading these stats wrong (although let's face it, it's easy enough to cook the books to use stats to prove whatever one wants these days).
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Just out of curiosity because maybe I am reading these stats wrong (although let's face it, it's easy enough to cook the books to use stats to prove whatever one wants these days).
Click on the per capita tab at the top of those stats. That would make it murders divided by number of populace, not actual total of those murdered.
This falls in line with his other stats of gun ownership per capita. I believe Mr. Nudepants was trying to keep the base unit the same. So he wasn't trying to add inches and centimeters together.
You were also looking at a different set of stats than Mr. Nudepants was.