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Awwww Trink ... not like you! And today he cancelled the TPP!!!!! Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!
It was one of the main reasons I voted for him. So he has saved the Australian medical system and the Kiwi one as well. He said he would do this and he has. Have to give him hero status now ...
Just hope China doesn't mess it all up now.


Isolationism of the 21st century. Get back to me on how well that's worked in the last.

Global trade is a reality. But then, Mango has always been a shitty businessman. Only this time, it'll be the U.S. He bankrupts.
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I remember watching on TV the protesters after Trump won the election. So many, when reporters interviewed them, said they didn't vote. I just thought, "What? The biggest doofus ever just got elected president and all these fools didn't vote but think they'll protest after?"

I would love to kick a lot of asses. In just a very few states, just a few more voters and Trump would not be president.

What the fuck? Next time around, I hope everyone gets off their ass, registers to vote and gets their ass down to the polls. Hell, most states even have early voting for your convenience. You can even contact the voting office and have absentee ballots mailed to you. SO START DOING IT!

Now we have to live with this egotistical, immature shithead for 4 years. Watch as civil rights are eroded, poor people get even poorer, and the middle-class shrinks to nothing.
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"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." 1984 - ‪George Orwell‬
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Hi...smiles

I'm not from the USA, and have no issues with anything you decide for yourselves, I think America is a great nation, and you've done good things for many peoples all over the world.
It was required to study your U.S. Constitution in school here, mainly because it's considered by many countries to be the basic Guidestone for any and all societies who wish to operate with citizen rights and freedoms in mind through an elected process. Which is a great thing.

But your U.S. Constitution is maybe outdated for your current times?
It is operating as a Republic, not a Democracy.

Your own Pledge of Allegiance even says..."I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

(Republic...a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch).
Meaning your President can be placed into office by the Elected Representatives which you have already voted into office to represent you, which were elected by you, in the exact way, and by an electoral process.

(Democracy...a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.)
Meaning your President or any government official is elected by all individual votes, or the popular vote as you call it there.

Sooo...if that's what you want, a Democracy? Then maybe you should change your U.S. Constitution?
Your forefathers always intended you could do that through Amendments didn't they?

Either way I wish everyone there the best.

Have a nice day...smiles
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I really didn't know all that, and it makes me totally sick. You're right, I didn't look into his record and I should have


if you're going to vote for someone, and yes, when you voted for Trump, you also voted for Pence, you should actually take a few minutes to be informed. you helped vote this guy in. now do you people understand why we "snowflakes" are pissed off?

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if you're going to vote for someone, and yes, when you voted for Trump, you also voted for Pence, you should actually take a few minutes to be informed. you helped vote this guy in. now do you people understand why we "snowflakes" are pissed off?


Don't get pissed off at a crazy person... Would you in real life? Like some guy yelling at a tree? Would that actually piss you off?
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Don't get pissed off at a crazy person... Would you in real life? Like some guy yelling at a tree? Would that actually piss you off?


Is the guy yelling at my tree and am I currently studying? Yea.
I'd probably be pissed. Though in a different circumstance, I'd probably be laughing my ass off.

Which, coincidentally, is also what I'll be doing when the Mango Mussolini strips these ignorant rust belt sycophants of their healthcare because they thought he was repealing ObummerCare and not the ACA.

Then I'll laugh more when their make believe "clean coal jobs" aren't brought back. Possibly laugh a bit more when it takes a few years for them to realize it.

May even die of laughter.
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The demographics of the USA are changing. This could be the last hurrah of the rightwingests, unless they somehow convince the majority of a current and growing minority group to join their ideology. But wouldn't that go against the grain of most of their beliefs?

Trump won many states by the slimmest of margins and others by less of a majority rgan the previous two Republicans, who were moderates. In states that have gone Republican recently like Florida, Georgia and North Carolina, minorities are easily less than 10 years from being the majority (possibly 5 years). Those 3 states are ranked third, eighth, and tenth in having the most electoral college votes. So that would be a huge swing away from the conservatives, making it impossible for them to win the presidency.

Though painful right now and the next 4 years, Trump's legacy could spell permanent doom for the GOP. Or to stay relevant, they could, in the future, clean house of the rightwing extremists. Remember there was a time, and it was a long time, that they were the most progressive party for racial progress. Unfortunately, the 1990s to now saw a big influx of a more bigoted rightwing into their elected ranks.

But even when the GOP was progressive on racial rights, they were not very progressive on women's rights and LGBT rights, and they still aren't.

My personal political leaning goes to progressive Republicans and moderate Democrats. I do not like at all, the extremist rightwing pundits that Trump is surrounding himslef with. Very dangerous!
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The demographics of the USA are changing. This could be the last hurrah of the rightwingests, unless they somehow convince the majority of a current and growing minority group to join their ideology. But wouldn't that go against the grain of most of their beliefs?


People look for 'facts' that support what they already believe to be true, and that's why someone like Trump (who will be totally disastrous for most people in America) got elected. It's why most people in Britain voted for Brexit- despite it being a vote that will have negative results for the majority of people who voted for it.

I'm going to wager a bet here. So, before Trump was elected he preached how the status quo (the 'liberal elite', despite so many of the 'elite' being clearly non liberal) were the only ones who were profiting from globalism, and at the expense of the ordinary folk (you know, like he is....). He was very anti globalism, and campaigned on this issue.

Now, the breaking news is that the Dow Jones has broken the 20,000 point ceiling for the first time ever. Does this help the common man? Does this help those unemployed souls in the 'rust belt'? Is it not just further proof that Donald Trump is a liar, and has simply made (almost overnight) the richest in America even richer, at the expense of (as believed by the millions of protesters) the ordinary person?

Yeah, that's all true. It's a logical certainty. But I am willing to bet that he comes out, at some point, and hypercritically points to the Dow Jones news as proof that he is good for America.

And you know what? I'm also willing to bet that those same unemployed 'rustbelt' souls will love him even more than they currently do, and all for exasperating a problem that they've already identified (and voted him in to fix).
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ROFLMAO!
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It is operating as a Republic, not a Democracy.


Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive. One describes how the government is organized, the other where the power lies (in case of Democracy that's the people).


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(Republic...a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch).
Meaning your President can be placed into office by the Elected Representatives which you have already voted into office to represent you, which were elected by you, in the exact way, and by an electoral process.

(Democracy...a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.)
Meaning your President or any government official is elected by all individual votes, or the popular vote as you call it there.


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Just because it reminds me of someone we have all become very familiar with over the last year or so. (And no alt-right trolls, I am not talking about Hillary. You can stop with the Clinton deflections, you won the election, though that doesn't seem to stop Trump from whining about the results anyway.)

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Isolationism of the 21st century. Get back to me on how well that's worked in the last.

Global trade is a reality. But then, Mango has always been a shitty businessman. Only this time, it'll be the U.S. He bankrupts.


Well maybe he will, maybe he won't. Am sure his bankers think he's hopeless toooo... all $4.35billion of him.

Global Trade has always been a reality. Remember the Phoenicians? I don't but you might. And the first really big corporation.. the de Medici family? They were merchant bankers with lots of Cardinals and the odd Pope thrown in. Some of them were pretty good on poisons... oops! pharmaceuticals too.

The TPP wasn't a global trade deal... just a disguise for big corps to line their pockets yet again... more like a business treaty for major corporations.

Aussie and NZ have virtually free health care systems. One of the reasons is that they control the price of medicines and pharmaceuticals. Now that's not allowed under the TPP. Any government that tries to interfere with the profit making of a company can be sued for loss of profits.
They don't get sued in an American court of course, but before a special American Tribunal comprised of three corporate attorneys and the tribunal decision is final.
The tribunal meets in camera... i.e. secretly.. hands down the fines and damages. Cool that we don't need courts anymore isn't it?

As for the American jobs that it was supposed to create.. they might have been created but sure as heck wouldn't have been in the USA. Besides, there was no provision for the squillions in profits to be invested anywhere ... certainly not in jobs. They would have just paid off the shareholders, pocketed their bonuses and dumped the remaining squillions in offshore accounts... à la Apple!

Sorry, but I agree with the concensus at Davos this year, that Globalisation has gone too far and isn't working. It has produced inequalities that have to be rectified .. and fast! I admit to being something of a protectionist. For me charity begins at home.
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Well maybe he will, maybe he won't. Am sure his bankers think he's hopeless toooo... all $4.35billion of him.

Global Trade has always been a reality. Remember the Phoenicians? I don't but you might. And the first really big corporation.. the de Medici family? They were merchant bankers with lots of Cardinals and the odd Pope thrown in. Some of them were pretty good on poisons... oops! pharmaceuticals too.

The TPP wasn't a global trade deal... just a disguise for big corps to line their pockets yet again... more like a business treaty for major corporations.

Aussie and NZ have virtually free health care systems. One of the reasons is that they control the price of medicines and pharmaceuticals. Now that's not allowed under the TPP. Any government that tries to interfere with the profit making of a company can be sued for loss of profits.
They don't get sued in an American court of course, but before a special American Tribunal comprised of three corporate attorneys and the tribunal decision is final.
The tribunal meets in camera... i.e. secretly.. hands down the fines and damages. Cool that we don't need courts anymore isn't it?

As for the American jobs that it was supposed to create.. they might have been created but sure as heck wouldn't have been in the USA. Besides, there was no provision for the squillions in profits to be invested anywhere ... certainly not in jobs. They would have just paid off the shareholders, pocketed their bonuses and dumped the remaining squillions in offshore accounts... à la Apple!

Sorry, but I agree with the concensus at Davos this year, that Globalisation has gone too far and isn't working. It has produced inequalities that have to be rectified .. and fast! I admit to being something of a protectionist. For me charity begins at home.

First off, TTP as yet had no legal effect whatsoever on what influence a government can have on prices and profit margins, because it was not ratified yet. And since both Vietnam and the US backed out of it, it will never take effect anywhere.

More importantly though, do you really believe, the pharmaceutical industry will voluntarily give up their huge profit margins in the US, just because TTP is scratched. They won't and to force them to, is virtually impossible. Touching them would require adaptations of patent laws protecting their interests, that will never pass. The lobby of the pharmaceutical industry is one of the strongest around, and has huge influence in Washington DC. I think that even a law, that would encourage competition, by making generic prescriptions (so not by brandname, but by active substance) mandatory, would never make it.
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Oh ok. sorry I didn't understand it that way. So you can't change, or make an amendment, or how your vote is counted or used then?
The electorial, or popularity votes that are counted?
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Oh ok. sorry I didn't understand it that way. So you can't change, or make an amendment, or how your vote is counted or used then?
The electorial, or popularity votes that are counted?


The popular vote in each state elects which candidate that state's electors go to. Then each state (based on population) has a certain number of electoral college votes. Those votes officially elect the president. Most of the time, the candidate that wins the overall national popular vote also gets the most electoral college votes. Every so often it doesn't work out that way.

How is the Constitution amended?
Article V of the Constitution prescribes how an amendment can become a part of the Constitution. While there are two ways, only one has ever been used. All 27 Amendments have been ratified after two-thirds of the House and Senate approve of the proposal and send it to the states for a vote. Then, three-fourths of the states must affirm the proposed Amendment.

The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states.

The actual wording of Article V is: “The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”
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First off, TTP as yet had no legal effect whatsoever on what influence a government can have on prices and profit margins, because it was not ratified yet. And since both Vietnam and the US backed out of it, it will never take effect anywhere.

More importantly though, do you really believe, the pharmaceutical industry will voluntarily give up their huge profit margins in the US, just because TTP is scratched. They won't and to force them to, is virtually impossible. Touching them would require adaptations of patent laws protecting their interests, that will never pass. The lobby of the pharmaceutical industry is one of the strongest around, and has huge influence in Washington DC. I think that even a law, that would encourage competition, by making generic prescriptions (so not by brandname, but by active substance) mandatory, would never make it.


You missed my point entirely. I think I do not explain myself as well as I believe. I know the TPP is dead. It almost was before the election. Have you read it? The TPP? It's over 5,000 pages and you get lost in the rubbish detail.

I was not talking about the US sweet man. When Donald Trump said he would dump the TPP I was thinking only of Australia and its neighbour The Shakey Isles. USA didn't even come into my thinking, because I agree with you regarding big pharma and their ilk in America. Except i would say we are really going to have an affordable health care system here someone will need to take on big pharma. But that's another thread.

And the TPP did specify profit protection for big pharma and others, including financial institutions, that cut across the sovereignty of other countries in their incumbent trading practices. And that law that you said would never make it in the US... that law is in place in Australia and New Zealand. Fortunately now the TPP has gone, it will never be tested.

The other point is that he did say he would scrap it and he has, whereas Hillary said, at the last minute, she would review it if elected. But as Hillary was one of its supporters and those that would benefit most from it finance her and the Democratic Party, I couldn't believe her.

If the remaining countries want to revive it with China, well they can, but it will be a much different trade deal to the TPP. I don't see that happening. Increased access to the US market was it's key factor.

It's gone and I am so happy it has.
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You missed my point entirely. I think I do not explain myself as well as I believe. I know the TPP is dead. It almost was before the election. Have you read it? The TPP? It's over 5,000 pages and you get lost in the rubbish detail.

I was not talking about the US sweet man. When Donald Trump said he would dump the TPP I was thinking only of Australia and its neighbour The Shakey Isles. USA didn't even come into my thinking, because I agree with you regarding big pharma and their ilk in America. Except i would say we are really going to have an affordable health care system here someone will need to take on big pharma. But that's another thread.

And the TPP did specify profit protection for big pharma and others, including financial institutions, that cut across the sovereignty of other countries in their incumbent trading practices. And that law that you said would never make it in the US... that law is in place in Australia and New Zealand. Fortunately now the TPP has gone, it will never be tested.

The other point is that he did say he would scrap it and he has, whereas Hillary said, at the last minute, she would review it if elected. But as Hillary was one of its supporters and those that would benefit most from it finance her and the Democratic Party, I couldn't believe her.

If the remaining countries want to revive it with China, well they can, but it will be a much different trade deal to the TPP. I don't see that happening. Increased access to the US market was it's key factor.

It's gone and I am so happy it has.

You sounded as if you compared Australia and those Isles to the US, and you explicitely mentioned American courts and American jobs, so it certainly wasn't all "not about America". Btw, Dutch law also generally forbids prescribing branded medication and controls the prices of both medicine and medical care.

That protection against loss of profit you mentioned is called Investor-state dispute settlement or ISDS. It protects foreign investors against unreasonable government measures that negatively impact their profits.

ISDS does not exist by the grace of TTP alone. It is part of international law. The legal protection of foreign direct investment is guaranteed by a network of more than 2750 bilateral and multilateral investment treaties and a number of free trade agreements(e.g. NAFTA and CETA). What ISDS does not do, is restrict the power of a government over domestic investors and industries. That's a matter of national law, which in America apparently protects big business better than it does the general public.
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if you're going to vote for someone, and yes, when you voted for Trump, you also voted for Pence, you should actually take a few minutes to be informed. you helped vote this guy in. now do you people understand why we "snowflakes" are pissed off?



You know...I did know he originally wrote the religious freedom act, but nope, I didn't dig deep into his past. I really was hoping to not get into this because for one, I realize that I have no real excuse except to say, 'who really researches the VP?' Most of the 'Vote for Hllary' bumper stickers didn't even have Tim Kaines name anywhere on them. He was unheard of, for the most part, until she chose him as her running mate. So, no, I didn't know he was that dirty. I know nothing about Joe Biden or Dick Cheney. No, I knew Dick Cheney accidentally shot his hunting buddy and has a gay daughter...

I sure as hell don't want him to be president, especially now that I know that. Why are all of you 'snowflakes' (ok, that's kinda cute...) so eager to get rid of Trump if you KNOW Pence is next in line? If you know Pence is in the passenger seat, why do you want to get rid of the driver?

I humbly admit I didn't know. It's not something I am proud of, but I don't argue just to be right. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. Again, however, I sure as shit don't want to see Trump impeached even more now, so when someone says "give the guy a chance" it feels even more important to me now, that we do.


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You know...I did know he originally wrote the religious freedom act, but nope, I didn't dig deep into his past. I really was hoping to not get into this because for one, I realize that I have no real excuse except to say, 'who really researches the VP?' Most of the 'Vote for Hllary' bumper stickers didn't even have Tim Kaines name anywhere on them. He was unheard of, for the most part, until she chose him as her running mate. So, no, I didn't know he was that dirty. I know nothing about Joe Biden or Dick Cheney. No, I knew Dick Cheney accidentally shot his hunting buddy and has a gay daughter...

I sure as hell don't want him to be president, especially now that I know that. Why are all of you 'snowflakes' (ok, that's kinda cute...) so eager to get rid of Trump if you KNOW Pence is next in line? If you know Pence is in the passenger seat, why do you want to get rid of the driver?

I humbly admit I didn't know. It's not something I am proud of, but I don't argue just to be right. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. Again, however, I sure as shit don't want to see Trump impeached even more now, so when someone says "give the guy a chance" it feels even more important to me now, that we do.





if you don't think Pence is going to be informing a lot of his policies, you're forgetting Dick Cheny's run as VP. as for who really researches the VPs? Sprites do.

And it's not really about getting rid of Trump. it's about forcing him to jetison his cabinet picks and make more reasonable ones. it's about pushing him to moderate his policies into something that benefits americans, you know, like he promised? you do know that he just signed an act into being that will totally screw the VA? you remember the veterans, the people he told us all he loved and who he was going to help out by fixing the VA? well, he just undid the efforts of the Obama's and Biden's to help them - they had a measure in place that helped vets with job placement within the federal govt. it's gone now. hiring freeze. all those empty positions that need to be filled within the VA to help care for vets? frozen.

banning the national park system from tweeting? that's one of his first moves? RIP freedom of speech. fixing the americn infrastructure? naw - rather spend the money on building a wall - remember that one? the one that Mexico was going to pay for? guess again. tax payer dollars, baby. not sure what he's going to do about the fact that some of the land that he proposes to build it on is private. oh, right, ask the Sioux at Standing Rock what his plans most likely are.

speaking of which, has anyone noticed that the investigation into the Flint Michigan water issue has quietly been closed? so there's a big fuck you to the "common american's" in Flint that Trump told us he was going to look out for.

news for you all. you wanted a change, you're getting it, but i don't think it's going to be the one you wanted. going to be a lot of buyer's remorse out there by the end of the year.

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Sprite is very right about Pence as VP. He is highly intelligent and very political savvy. He has excellent on-camera presence. He has the ear of Trump who will really heavily on him. And Pence has an agenda. Pence believes very strongly in getting his agenda accomplished.

Pence is ultra rightwing. He is strongly anti-LGBT and anti-abortion. He is very pro states rights. Pence absolutely believes abortion should be outlawed all together. He also believes that all advances in gay rights, especially gay marriage should be totally reversed.

If you had the wherewithal to notice, Trump was totally okay with abortion and gay marriage early in his campaign. It was after hooking up with Pence that Trump started leaning the other way, and now he says he is opposed to both.

Pence could be more dangerous than Cheney. With Cheney it was all about enormous profits for his business interests and friends (oil and military supplier & weapons corporations), which was accomplished through war in Iraq.
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You sounded as if you compared Australia and those Isles to the US, and you explicitely mentioned American courts and American jobs, so it certainly wasn't all "not about America". Btw, Dutch law also generally forbids prescribing branded medication and controls the prices of both medicine and medical care.

That protection against loss of profit you mentioned is called Investor-state dispute settlement or ISDS. It protects foreign investors against unreasonable government measures that negatively impact their profits.

ISDS does not exist by the grace of TTP alone. It is part of international law. The legal protection of foreign direct investment is guaranteed by a network of more than 2750 bilateral and multilateral investment treaties and a number of free trade agreements(e.g. NAFTA and CETA). What ISDS does not do, is restrict the power of a government over domestic investors and industries. That's a matter of national law, which in America apparently protects big business better than it does the general public.


Thanks for your comment. What you say about your country is interesting. If the TPP had gone ahead the protection, as it exists in America, would have been increased even more under the TPP, in favour of big corporates as you so rightly point out. Sorry about the court thing. What I meant was that all disputes under the TPP were to be decided not by a court, but by a tribunal. That tribunal was to have three corporate lawyers and was to be based in the US.
What you said about branded medicines is interesting. That is not the case in Australia and New Zealand where branded products can be prescibed. Fortunately for the citizens, but unfortunately for big pharma, the health systems in both Aussie and NZ [called the Shakey Isles by Aussies because of the frequency of earthquakes and tremors] certain drugs are chosen for subsidy and only those chosen are 'fully' subsidised. That subsidy can lasts for up to three years. So it creates a monopoly of supply. Very much a no-no under the TPP if it had happened.
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In the Netherlands, with very few exceptions, prescription of branded medicine is prohibited and apothecaries are obliged to give out the cheapest medicine that fits the prescription. Exceptions to that rule are patients who need a specific medicine because of interactions or allergic reactions. When a brand adjusts it prices to become the cheapest, it automatically becomes the prefered brand. Not all apothecaries have the same brands and many have a cheap "house brand". Competition is definitely encouraged by that, and a "monopoly" only exists as long as a medicine is cheapest.
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Thanks for your comment. What you say about your country is interesting. If the TPP had gone ahead the protection, as it exists in America, would have been increased even more under the TPP, in favour of big corporates as you so rightly point out. Sorry about the court thing. What I meant was that all disputes under the TPP were to be decided not by a court, but by a tribunal. That tribunal was to have three corporate lawyers and was to be based in the US.
What you said about branded medicines is interesting. That is not the case in Australia and New Zealand where branded products can be prescibed. Fortunately for the citizens, but unfortunately for big pharma, the health systems in both Aussie and NZ [called the Shakey Isles by Aussies because of the frequency of earthquakes and tremors] certain drugs are chosen for subsidy and only those chosen are 'fully' subsidised. That subsidy can lasts for up to three years. So it creates a monopoly of supply. Very much a no-no under the TPP if it had happened.
TTP would not have increased ISDS, because that very protection already exists as part of NAFTA and international law.
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TTP would not have increased ISDS, because that very protection already exists as part of NAFTA and international law.


“There does not appear to be an underlying economic problem that necessitates the inclusion of ISDS provisions within agreements. Available evidence does not suggest that ISDS provisions have a significant impact on investment flows. Experience in other countries demonstrates that there are considerable policy and financial risks arising from ISDS provisions.”
The Australian government refused to include ISDS in its free trade deal with the US in 2005, and under their Labour-led government had a investor-state policy not to sign up to any more ISDS obligations including in the TPPA:


If the TPPA comes into force, an investor from any of the TPPA countries (Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam) will be able to sue the New Zealand government for millions in damages in secretive offshore tribunals.  Under ISDS foreign investors could claim that new laws and regulations introduced by the New Zealand government have breached their special rights under the TPPA and undermined the value of their investments.  “Investment” is defined extremely widely in the TPPA, to include almost anything a foreign company has spent money on in New Zealand — including shares, businesses, contracts, land, intellectual property rights, and even government bonds. Putting corporate rights above New Zealand’s democracy. If the TPPA is ratified the ISDS provisions in the agreement would seriously fetter New Zealand’s sovereignty.

So much for the TPP.