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Pence could be more dangerous than Cheney. With Cheney it was all about enormous profits for his business interests and friends (oil and military supplier & weapons corporations), which was accomplished through war in Iraq.


I don't want tot diminish the awful consequences of prohibition of abortion or the possible reversal of same sex marriage, but isn't war not more dangerous, for its violent nature alone?


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“There does not appear to be an underlying economic problem that necessitates the inclusion of ISDS provisions within agreements. Available evidence does not suggest that ISDS provisions have a significant impact on investment flows. Experience in other countries demonstrates that there are considerable policy and financial risks arising from ISDS provisions.”
The Australian government refused to include ISDS in its free trade deal with the US in 2005, and under their Labour-led government had a investor-state policy not to sign up to any more ISDS obligations including in the TPPA:


If the TPPA comes into force, an investor from any of the TPPA countries (Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam) will be able to sue the New Zealand government for millions in damages in secretive offshore tribunals.  Under ISDS foreign investors could claim that new laws and regulations introduced by the New Zealand government have breached their special rights under the TPPA and undermined the value of their investments.  “Investment” is defined extremely widely in the TPPA, to include almost anything a foreign company has spent money on in New Zealand — including shares, businesses, contracts, land, intellectual property rights, and even government bonds. Putting corporate rights above New Zealand’s democracy. If the TPPA is ratified the ISDS provisions in the agreement would seriously fetter New Zealand’s sovereignty.

So much for the TPP.
The author of your quote apparently had no idea of the safeguards New Zealand had negotiated under TTP and other investment treaties, to protect their right to regulate. If your interested: http://insider.thomsonreuters.co.nz/2016/10/investment-negotiations-walking-the-tightrope-between-offensive-and-defensive-interests/

That said, this thread is, as far as I can tell, about the United States of America, not about New Zealand. Let's stick to that.
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I don't want tot diminish the awful consequences of prohibition of abortion or the possible reversal of same sex marriage, but isn't war not more dangerous, for its violent nature alone?


War kills people and in mass quantities, yes but that's twisting what I was talking about. However, with Pence's views, I wouldn't doubt that he is very pro-war also. Trump has already mentioned exterminating all terrorists. How does one accomplish that without military escalation?
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War kills people and in mass quantities, yes but that's twisting what I was talking about. However, with Pence's views, I wouldn't doubt that he is very pro-war also. Trump has already mentioned exterminating all terrorists. How does one accomplish that without military escalation?


Wasn't trying to twist what you were talking about.

I'm not sure what Trump will/will not do. He did indeed say he'd destroy ISIS, but he also promotes isolationism and even wants countries where the US is fighting to pay for it.


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Week 1:

• Gave a terrible inauguration speech with authoritarian overtones that did little to unite the country
• Lied about crowd sizes, was called out on the stupid & obvious lie, insisted that it was true when everyone could see that it wasn't, and then kept whining about it for the rest of the week
• Will be haunted by the phrase "alternative facts" for the rest of his presidency
• Disrespected and pissed off the CIA by inappropriate grandstanding
• Removed pages on climate change, LGBT issues, and other civil rights from White House website
• Was embarrassed by confirmation hearings that exposed corruption and lack of qualification in appointees for cabinet positions.
• Attempted to silence a number of departments who are critical of his policies - departments have gone 'rogue' creating alternative accounts to promote scientific facts on climate change, health, etc.
• Pissed off Mexico to the point that the Mexican president cancelled their meeting
• Considering launching a federal investigation into voter fraud that NO ONE believes actually happened
• Lost all the senior officials (and their experience) managing the Department of State
• Re-launched the Dakota Access Pipeline, reigniting controversy, and the accompanying protests that had been calmed by Obama
• Threatened imposition of martial law in Chicago

Of course this is all the fault of the liberal elites, but it seems like the new administration is not off to a great start.

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if you don't think Pence is going to be informing a lot of his policies, you're forgetting Dick Cheny's run as VP. as for who really researches the VPs? Sprites do.

And it's not really about getting rid of Trump. it's about forcing him to jetison his cabinet picks and make more reasonable ones. it's about pushing him to moderate his policies into something that benefits americans, you know, like he promised? you do know that he just signed an act into being that will totally screw the VA? you remember the veterans, the people he told us all he loved and who he was going to help out by fixing the VA? well, he just undid the efforts of the Obama's and Biden's to help them - they had a measure in place that helped vets with job placement within the federal govt. it's gone now. hiring freeze. all those empty positions that need to be filled within the VA to help care for vets? frozen.

banning the national park system from tweeting? that's one of his first moves? RIP freedom of speech. fixing the americn infrastructure? naw - rather spend the money on building a wall - remember that one? the one that Mexico was going to pay for? guess again. tax payer dollars, baby. not sure what he's going to do about the fact that some of the land that he proposes to build it on is private. oh, right, ask the Sioux at Standing Rock what his plans most likely are.

speaking of which, has anyone noticed that the investigation into the Flint Michigan water issue has quietly been closed? so there's a big fuck you to the "common american's" in Flint that Trump told us he was going to look out for.

news for you all. you wanted a change, you're getting it, but i don't think it's going to be the one you wanted. going to be a lot of buyer's remorse out there by the end of the year.


Yes, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. He really stuck it to us with his cabinet picks. You know what's really awful is being someone who has some voters remorse. He did lie to us on many things. He used to be a democrat and from all his 'narrative' he presented himself as progressive moderate.

I'm glad he got rid of the TPP and I still hope he improves our relationship with Russia.

He and Bernie had some really important things in common, like taxing the one percent. I believed he would make it easier for middle class kids to get a higher education with those taxes on Wall Street, just as Bernie wanted to do. If you'll recall, they both wanted to recind the TPP. As for Citizens United, I can see Trump getting rid of that too. He did pay for his own campaign, for the most part.

I would be willing to pay higher taxes (which I said earlier in another post) for more social programs, such as welfare and planned parenthood.

I sure as shit never expected someone like Steve Bannon to be in the mix. it made me sick, as did just about every ultra concervitive he appointed. The far right is against everything I believe in.

He's taking on abortion...I mean, I accept he doesn't want federal funds paying for it, or even planned paranthood offering it as a solution. But if he were to repeal Roe V Wade or get rid of planned parenthood I'll be sick as anyone else. Abortion is an entirely different argument so that's all I have to say about that.

I still don't like Hillary. As far as I can tell, pretty much anyone could have beat her (let's face it, Trump beat her.) Everyday I wake up and think "what stupid shit has he done today?" He can't make the National Parks not tweet, they can. Let him try because that'll go to the Supreme Court. There are still some things he cannot do. Someone needs to tell him he shouldn't be tweeting.

I was laying in bed last night thinking I'd like to post a survey thread, to see which ammendments can people think shoud be trashed. I'll bet there would be many different opinions. Again, a whole other thread, but it'd be an interesting one.

As far as the wall goes...well...all I can say is when he was running, and still is saying that he'd take the tariff money we'd get from trade, in the long run. His focus is on those American business's that went to Mexico for cheaper labor, making it cost effective to bring jobs back here. I know, I know...nobody needs to point out how they're sure it's not gonna happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed it does. He's still saying this, so I haven't given up on that yet.

I haven't totally given up on him. How can I? I did vote for the man, and to say I have given up completely would be highly hypocritical of me. I'm hoping he froze hiring with the VA because he's making changes to improve it. I'm hoping he put a freeze on immigration from Muslim countries to create a better vetting system and that it'll only take a few months, like he promised.

I've been watching him since the first debate, and when he talked about deporting illegals, for one, anyone with common sense knows you can't deport eleven million people, so those law abiding people with homes and businesses will be able to stay. He said prior to the election he was looking at a more humane way to handle this than major deportation. He's been saying quite a long time that he want's to deport those with criminal records and I don't find that unreasonable.

Santuary cities...I know you live in one, and I don't so all I can say is this. I am worried that the funding will harm our homeless population. Scared to death about that because I have personally made them a priority in my area. I have headed up a collection of warm clothing with my main focus being on heavy coats, blankets and shoes, every year during the holidays for the last 5 years. As for illegal criminals, well, they need to go. Period. He has said he's only looking at deporting criminals. By definition a criminal is ' illicit, lawless, felonious, delinquent, fraudulent, etc.' He'll most likely create a registry for those here illegally to process them here.

I still have hope, but so far honestly, I have some misgivings, so if ya'll see me criticzize him from here on out now and then, please try and refrain from calling me a hypocrite. I really had faith he'd do the right thing. I'm still hoping things will turn out alright. Time will tell.


PS. as I write this, the freeze on the EPA has been lifted. Just a little more info, for what it's worth

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I'm not sure what Trump will/will not do. He did indeed say he'd destroy ISIS, but he also promotes isolationism and even wants countries where the US is fighting to pay for it.



We can't be complete isolationists and still want other countries to pay their fair share. That insinuates we back out entirely.

We should not have to carry so much of the weight and expecting assistance doesn't seem unreasonalbe to me at all. We are the major protectorates of the free world and it'd be good for our economy.

We can stay super power, sure, but expecting other countries pitch in more isn't really asking to much.

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As far as reversing gay marriage, he said in the first debate that it is a dead issue, and has shown support of the LGBT community in his speeches. When the GOP forced the candidates to sign a pledge to do so, he refused at first and then relented. You don't think he did that just to get the GOP vote? I do.

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The author of your quote apparently had no idea of the safeguards New Zealand had negotiated under TTP and other investment treaties, to protect their right to regulate. If your interested: http://insider.thomsonreuters.co.nz/2016/10/investment-negotiations-walking-the-tightrope-between-offensive-and-defensive-interests/

That said, this thread is, as far as I can tell, about the United States of America, not about New Zealand. Let's stick to that.


Oh my... did I hit a raw nerve? Wasn't intentional I assure you.
This thread isn't about America ... it's about President Trump and the reincorporation of the USA into the British colonial system ... now called the Commonwealth ... of which Australia and New Zealand are part.
I read your reference, twice. Seems to agree with mine.
The actions of President Trump and their effect on Commonwealth Countries certainly belong here I believe. But that's just me.

Meanwhile, if your ego needs you to have some sort of last word and assume the mantle of self appointed Moderator, go for it. I shall go high while you go low!
Strangest thing is.... none of my posts are directed in anyway to contradicting what you say... so I really don't know how you got your knickers in a twist sweet man. I was not trying to score points. And my original post was to Trink. It was you that butted in with all your Holland stuff. What on earth has that to do with President Trump, TPP, British colonies ... even America? Beside I am not happy with The Netherlands right now. Or perhaps it's just the way you depict your country as scroungers.
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This thread isn't about America ... it's about President Trump and the reincorporation of the USA into the British colonial system ... now called the Commonwealth ... of which Australia and New Zealand are part.
The actions of President Trump and their effect on Commonwealth Countries certainly belong here I believe. But that's just me.


Very well said. I have considered this as well, but you put it better than I ever could have.

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Oh my... did I hit a raw nerve? Wasn't intentional I assure you.
This thread isn't about America ... it's about President Trump and the reincorporation of the USA into the British colonial system ... now called the Commonwealth ... of which Australia and New Zealand are part.
I read your reference, twice. Seems to agree with mine.
The actions of President Trump and their effect on Commonwealth Countries certainly belong here I believe. But that's just me.

Meanwhile, if your ego needs you to have some sort of last word and assume the mantle of self appointed Moderator, go for it. I shall go high while you go low!
Strangest thing is.... none of my posts are directed in anyway to contradicting what you say... so I really don't know how you got your knickers in a twist sweet man. I was not trying to score points. And my original post was to Trink. It was you that butted in with all your Holland stuff. What on earth has that to do with President Trump, TPP, British colonies ... even America? Beside I am not happy with The Netherlands right now. Or perhaps it's just the way you depict your country as scroungers.

No, you didn't hit a nerve. I just wondered why you specifically focused on New Zealand in such detail, while TPP was much broader. You implied, that without TPP, ISDS would have no impact in NZ, but TPP was not the first and only treaty with ISDS for NZ, and my reference states, that New Zealand actually had negotiated an acceptable balance in protecting foreign investors while still maintaining its right to regulate.

All my Holland stuff? You said a law, I mentioned as an example, was actually implemented in Australia and NZ. I only said, that such was the case in the Netherlands too, and when you said that was interesting, I told a little bit more about it, after which I returned to the discussion at hand. In what way does that depict my country as scroungers?

And why are you unhappy with the Netherlands right now?
As far as I see it, I'm simply discussing something with you
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I feel the same way. While Trump may currently be popular among GOP voters, as led by Paul Ryan, he is not popular among GOP politicians. They may or may not agree with his opinions, but they certainly don't like that he is an outsider who cannot be trusted to stay with the program. He has not built any loyalty with them, nor do they owe him anything that might cause them to stick their necks out for him. The Democrats, of course, would love to boil him in his own juices right now. Trump has no friends in congress.

In short, to them, he is expendable. Mike Pence, on the other hand, is a golden boy to the GOP. The first time Trump becomes a liability, they will find one of those ethics issues or conflict of interests that I have no doubt he will commit and he will get dumped and impeached by a hugely one sided vote. Remember how minor White Water really was? Yet that was enough to impeach Clinton, though he wasn't removed from office. Trump will be, and its one low polling report away from happening.


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It was so good you posted it twice.

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