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Sweetie? I think that patronizing and condescending way you talk to people who don't share your narrow view of the world pretty much sums up why no one takes you seriously. I have so much more faith in App's generation than I do in mine. Mine is the generation that's made a mess of things and handed the keys to the White House to a raving lunatic. It'll be her generation that comes in 4 or 8 years from now and rebuilds the political, social and economic infrastructure that's being torn down right now. I don't envy the task they face. The way things are going, it's going to be a fucking mess.



But, you really do not know that for a fact, because it has only been a few months. We have no choice but to sit back and watch. We were presented with a poor litter and had to choose the best.

Patronizing and condescending? It seems to me you very much describe your attitude to those that disagree with your opinion.
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For any person, businessman or not, who seriously believes, that work in America should lead to jobs for Americans, the composition of the workforce they'd be hiring by giving a contract, would be an important selection criterium. If Trump wasn't aware he was indirectly hiring foreign labourers, then he obviously didn't care about it then. The fact, that he still actively hires foreign labourers, in spite of the availability of qualified Americans, shows, that he still doesn't care. His statements about it obviously do not reflect his true feelings about it, they are only meant to gather votes and support, to get to and stay in the White House. All he wants to boost, are his power, his wealth, and his enormous ego, the rest is instrumental.


There isn't a politician alive that will not say what he thinks people want to hear to stay in office. Red, yellow black or white.


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The ability to shape the terminology of a debate is the ability to control the debate itself to a certain degree. And that's why people say "pro life" instead of "pro abortion", "gun safety" instead of "gun control".

And so it's important to keep in the front of our brains the fact that "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare) was not about healthcare, it was not about access to healthcare, it was about who paid for the healthcare accessed and how.

The Affordable Care Act was about healthcare insurance. So let's keep the discussion focused on that, shall we?
The people of The United States want socialism. The people of Venezuela want toilet paper.
A recent article in "The Miami Herald" reveals that the food shortages caused by the economic collapse in Venezuela have had at least one positive side effect. Whereas before Venezuelans were having problems being overrun by herds of wild burros (donkeys), they've solved the problem by eating them. Now they have no burros or toilet paper.
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IMHO that sums him up to a 'T'. He doesnt give a shit about the supporters. His ego was really hurt when he realised that Hillary actually got more votes than him and therefore the 'popular vote'. He is still playing make belive and trying to convince himself that he is more popular. Poor deluded narcissist.

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Do you think it will ever change? What about Mark Zuckerberg for 2024 [Democrats]? I think Hillary reinvented for 2020.



Hillary, Put lipstick on a pic and call it a person?
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The ability to shape the terminology of a debate is the ability to control the debate itself to a certain degree. And that's why people say "pro life" instead of "pro abortion", "gun safety" instead of "gun control".

And so it's important to keep in the front of our brains the fact that "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare) was not about healthcare, it was not about access to healthcare, it was about who paid for the healthcare accessed and how.

The Affordable Care Act was about healthcare insurance. So let's keep the discussion focused on that, shall we?



Of course it's abut health care! Your own statement: "The affordable Care Act is about "healthcare" insurance.

So let's keep focused ok?
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Point being your stats are from private research, a good reference not factual . These "research projects" are designed to reflect the beliefs of certain special interest groups, not the interest of the general public. Therefore, the facts are skewed. AS I said before Ruthis, You and I and several others could apply for funding to conduct research, granted funds and begin. Each of us, could if we so desired, include fact we wanted and conveniently ignore those that contest our perception.


I can always use money for research. Facts are facts. That's why we have peer reviews. A fact is provable. Global warming, for instance, is provable. You can ask for funds to prove it isn't, and I would if I had no ethics. A lot of people make good livings giving the oil companies 'research' to defend destroying the environment. Other scientists can point out how flawed their 'studies are, and millions of people believe them anyway. The oil companies don't really care as long as they can hold the environmentalists off long enough to suck every drop of oil they can and make profits. What if it does destroy the atmosphere and kill all life on the planet, they have their money to eat and breathe.

I thought you claimed to be a conservative; What is wrong with private research? Do you think all research should be conducted by the government.

Please learn to put your comment after the . When you type your comment into the quote box people might have trouble discerning your words from the people you are quoting, or worse, thinking the person being quoted is saying whatever point you are trying to make. You have done this on two of your posts on this page of the thread.

The far right is wanting to impose fascism on the rest of us, they haven't been able to do that yet, but they are trying. When they have the power to do it, they will begin culling the herd, as you so gleefully called it. Now they are working on discrediting the press and forcing their religious beliefs down everyone's throats. I know you can't be reasoned with, so I will save myself for those who can.
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But, you really do not know that for a fact, because it has only been a few months. We have no choice but to sit back and watch. We were presented with a poor litter and had to choose the best.

Patronizing and condescending? It seems to me you very much describe your attitude to those that disagree with your opinion.


I remember this type of answer from school - "I Know I am , but what are you?"
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IMHO that sums him up to a 'T'. He doesnt give a shit about the supporters. His ego was really hurt when he realised that Hillary actually got more votes than him and therefore the 'popular vote'. He is still playing make believe and trying to convince himself that he is more popular. Poor deluded narcissist.







Did this one stump you? Are you coming back to edit it later?


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I'd like to point out that the name of the thread is 'Donald Trump for President.' Not that my reminder will do any good, of course, you will continue to go off subject until the thread descends into madness and memes. This thread has really worn itself out. Donald Trump is president. Although, I suppose you could make the point that there are still people who want him to be, Doesn't defending the indefensible ever get boring? Imagine what this thread will look like if we drag it out until the next election.

A thread about the Affordable Care Act would be good for discussing that, or a health care thread. There are pros and cons of the health care issue, some of which might even involve Trump's policies on health care and how they may influence his next election, if there is one. Who knows? The Republic is in real danger. Woman's rights are in real danger. Education is in real danger, The whole fucking world is falling down around us. Start new threads once in awhile, anyone can do it, I would start one myself if I wasn't so angry.



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Given the history of Muslim belief that all who do not submit to the Koran are infidels and deserving of death, it would be a fair assumption that allowing large groups of "refugees" from a demonstrated radical muslim country, said refugees predominantly male with a lack of females, they will continue to espouse their radical beliefs.


There is not one Islam. It's not a monolithic religion. Some Muslim immigrants may turn out to be only cultural Muslims once exposed to a liberal/secular society anyway.


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Nazi Germany was seeking a new world order consisting of white aryan nation with mass disposition of those of Israeli belief.


There is no such thing as Israeli belief. Israel exists, it's a fact. And in Israel, there are many believes, including Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Each in many shapes and forms.


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Of course it's abut health care! Your own statement: "The affordable Care Act is about "healthcare" insurance.

So let's keep focused ok?


Ok..... Let me see if I can clarify this for you.

When your doctor snaps on a glove, lubes up his fingers, shoves one up your behind and checks your prostate, that's healthcare.

When you're all done and cleaned up, except for the KY that never seems to stop leaking out of your violated posterior, you go to the front desk and the lady says the bill is $85.00 but your co-pay is only $10.00. That's health care insurance.

Glad I could help.
The people of The United States want socialism. The people of Venezuela want toilet paper.
A recent article in "The Miami Herald" reveals that the food shortages caused by the economic collapse in Venezuela have had at least one positive side effect. Whereas before Venezuelans were having problems being overrun by herds of wild burros (donkeys), they've solved the problem by eating them. Now they have no burros or toilet paper.
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"Availability of Medical Care" would be reference to Obamacare
No, it would not and it does not. It is about how well America looks after it's own people. When you compare that to the rest of the world, America isn't such a great country. Even countries like Colombia, Chili, Dominica and Costa Rica score better on health care than the almighty USA.
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The ability to shape the terminology of a debate is the ability to control the debate itself to a certain degree. And that's why people say "pro life" instead of "pro abortion", "gun safety" instead of "gun control".

And so it's important to keep in the front of our brains the fact that "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare) was not about healthcare, it was not about access to healthcare, it was about who paid for the healthcare accessed and how.

The Affordable Care Act was about healthcare insurance. So let's keep the discussion focused on that, shall we?

Though you are right that the ACA was about who paid for healthcare and how, that was not the goal of the act, but the means by which to achieve it. It's very simple, if you can't afford healthcare, it's not available to you, and that was the case for far too many Americans. The goal of the ACA was improving that situation, and for many Americans it did. It did not work out so well for everyone though. That's what Trump should focus on, and not on America's ability to destroy the world with its weapons.
A little kindness can be so valuable, yet costs almost nothing

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You know, we can really stop debating this anytime now. the way things are going, in about another month, there's not going to be a lot to support. guy just seems to be hell bent on proving all his detractors right.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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There isn't a politician alive that will not say what he thinks people want to hear to stay in office. Red, yellow black or white.


The almighty buck is the final say
More sincere politicians will try to practice what they preach though. Trump doesn't even try.
A little kindness can be so valuable, yet costs almost nothing

In many countries being gay is a crime, and even in modern societies, politicians try to legalise discrimination. Your voice can make a difference. Have a look at All Out to find out how.

Hey... pssst.... that's an l (as in luscious) at the end of my name, not an i
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You know, we can really stop debating this anytime now. the way things are going, in about another month, there's not going to be a lot to support. guy just seems to be hell bent on proving all his detractors right.


I hate to concur , but the phone tapping incident .............
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Ok..... Let me see if I can clarify this for you.

When your doctor snaps on a glove, lubes up his fingers, shoves one up your behind and checks your prostate, that's healthcare.

When you're all done and cleaned up, except for the KY that never seems to stop leaking out of your violated posterior, you go to the front desk and the lady says the bill is $85.00 but your co-pay is only $10.00. That's health care insurance.

Glad I could help.


your right, I guess I don't have health care insurance, mine cost $15.00, think I shall go out and protest , perhaps burn a few buildings down and block traffic so someone in an ambulance cant get that pesky health care
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More sincere politicians will try to practice what they preach though. Trump doesn't even try.


tell me when that works for you
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IMHO that sums him up to a 'T'. He doesnt give a shit about the supporters. His ego was really hurt when he realised that Hillary actually got more votes than him and therefore the 'popular vote'. He is still playing make believe and trying to convince himself that he is more popular. Poor deluded narcissist.

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to here 38%

Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California 5,860,714 or so to Trumps 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates

So California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and the somewhat tower of pisa leaning press/media
Deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783 and deduct Trumps California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College to prevent the votes of any one heavily populated state from overriding the votes of the others.
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Trump certainly knows the immigration status of the 64 new members of his Mar a Lago staff, for whom he was granted H2B visa last October. He still hires foreign workers, for jobs he claims he can't find Americans for. Yet since 2010, nearly 300 U.S. residents applied or were referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there, but only 17 were hired.

Over the same time period, 500 visas for foreign workers were filed at Mar-a-Lago.

In Palm Beach County, Tom Veenstra, senior director of support services at CareerSource, a job placement service, took issue with Mr. Trump’s contention that he could not staff his clubs with locals. “We have hundreds of qualified applicants for jobs like those,” he said.

After a report by Reuters in July about Mr. Trump’s use of guest workers, executives from Mar-a-Lago met with recruiters from Mr. Veenstra’s agency, promising to request local workers for 50 positions.

But Mar-a-Lago sent over just a single job request, for a banquet server. Mr. Veenstra said CareerSource referred four applicants to the club, and one of them got the job.

Since then, Mr. Veenstra said, “we haven’t received any other job orders.”



That nearly 300 workers were interview and only were hired doesn't surprise me. A new walmart in NC interviewed over 500 fro 140 jobs, they couldn't pass the drug test nor background investigation.

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your right, I guess I don't have health care insurance, mine cost $15.00, think I shall go out and protest , perhaps burn a few buildings down and block traffic so someone in an ambulance cant get that pesky health care

R O F L

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The people of The United States want socialism. The people of Venezuela want toilet paper.
A recent article in "The Miami Herald" reveals that the food shortages caused by the economic collapse in Venezuela have had at least one positive side effect. Whereas before Venezuelans were having problems being overrun by herds of wild burros (donkeys), they've solved the problem by eating them. Now they have no burros or toilet paper.
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Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to here 38%

Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California 5,860,714 or so to Trumps 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates

So California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and the somewhat tower of pisa leaning press/media
Deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783 and deduct Trumps California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College to prevent the votes of any one heavily populated state from overriding the votes of the others.
What's the wisdom. California also is the largest contributor to the country's treasury. Why should their votes weigh less, than that of states that contribute less? And what has this to do with apptobebad's post?
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In many countries being gay is a crime, and even in modern societies, politicians try to legalise discrimination. Your voice can make a difference. Have a look at All Out to find out how.

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What's the wisdom. California also is the largest contributor to the country's treasury. Why should their votes weigh less, than that of states that contribute less? And what has this to do with apptobebad's post?


giggles.. I see you have quoted the 'Golden Rule' ... that those with the gold should make the rules!.... most of the time they do.
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giggles.. I see you have quoted the 'Golden Rule' ... that those with the gold should make the rules!.... most of the time they do.


he didn't say California's votes should count more - he said they should count equally.

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he didn't say California's votes should count more - he said they should count equally.


Then I agree with him... and they do.. through the Electoral College. Isn't that the 'great evenor'? ... think it's meant to be.
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Then I agree with him... and they do.. through the Electoral College. Isn't that the 'great evenor'? ... think it's meant to be.


actually, if you look at populations and how many electoral votes states get, CA's electoral votes are worth less than most other states. 508,344 people per electoral vote.

other states: Idaho. 284,628 people per electoral vote. North Dakota 174k per electoral vote, etc

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Then I agree with him... and they do.. through the Electoral College. Isn't that the 'great evenor'? ... think it's meant to be.


btw, if you're in new york, your vote counts even less than that of Californias. 519k people per electoral vote.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.