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noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by Milik_the_Red



Are you threatening me?


===  Not ALL LIVES MATTER until BLACK LIVES MATTER  ===
Milik_the_Red
Internet Philosopher
Quote by noll


Are you threatening me?


Hmm. Where have I heard that before?

Oh yes... El Cornholio!
Buz
The Linebacker
Quote by adele


but we don't know that at all. we still don't know who closed it or why. sprite unlocked it cause she could not find the reason why. and for all we know, the person who locked it in the first place could come back and lock it again, or as sprite said (and yes I know it was in jest) she was just gonna randomly lock and unlock it.

I am happy it is unlocked. I still think the transparency was sadly lacking on this issue, and that lack led to a lot of unnecessary posting as well as rudeness on the part of some people that should know better. let's hope next time, any similar situation is handled better by those supposedly in charge.


If it was a glitch, Gav will figure it out. If it was an accident, the person who did it does not know they did it. Transparency?

We unlocked it as soon as we deduced that it wasn't locked on purpose. It is a minor problem that was addressed.

I hope in the future people will show some patience. The mods are member volunteers on duty as we are able.

And frankly, there are many more important issues that we deal with. A simple inquiry message to the Forum mods is all that is necessary if you see a thread has been locked. If it is something inadvertent then as soon as that is determined the thread will be unlocked. If it has been locked you will eventually get an explanation but do show patience as we are not a 24/7 tech help service.

In the meantime please show some lighthearted humor.
sprite
Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by adele


but we don't know that at all. we still don't know who closed it or why. sprite unlocked it cause she could not find the reason why. and for all we know, the person who locked it in the first place could come back and lock it again, or as sprite said (and yes I know it was in jest) she was just gonna randomly lock and unlock it.

I am happy it is unlocked. I still think the transparency was sadly lacking on this issue, and that lack led to a lot of unnecessary posting as well as rudeness on the part of some people that should know better. let's hope next time, any similar situation is handled better by those supposedly in charge.


I also choose to accept this as an apology.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by Liz
Он был заблокирован, потому что товарищ Путин хочет, что она заперта.



see, that's funny, (unless you are a conspiracy theorist, then maybe not as funny as you might think, LOL)
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by Buz


If it was a glitch, Gav will figure it out. If it was an accident, the person who did it does not know they did it. Transparency?

We unlocked it as soon as we deduced that it wasn't locked on purpose. It is a minor problem that was addressed.

I hope in the future people will show some patience. The mods are member volunteers on duty as we are able.

And frankly, there are many more important issues that we deal with. A simple inquiry message to the Forum mods is all that is necessary if you see a thread has been locked. If it is something inadvertent then as soon as that is determined the thread will be unlocked. If it has been locked you will eventually get an explanation but do show patience as we are not a 24/7 tech help service.

In the meantime please show some lighthearted humor.


it was started as a simple inquiry, a politely posed question that only required either a simple answer, or a simple "sorry, not sure why, but we are looking into it." however, almost immediately, mods started saying that basically there had to be a reason for it or it would not have been locked and therefore it didn't matter if the users knew or not. anyone that seemed to think that we should be told something was criticized, told to let it go or accused of being outraged and called names. the mods spent more time trying not to give us a reason, then to try and find out why. as far as i could tell, not one of the mods, save sprite (eventually) did anything more than repeatedly telling us there was no conspiracy and/or that it didn't matter and worse. I am well aware that the mods are all volunteers and feel that for the most part, they do an amazing job. however in this instance, a number of them fell incredibly short of that goal.
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by sprite


I also choose to accept this as an apology.


an apology for what? I did not call you a name. I did nothing more than respond (and politely in every case) to things you had said. my statement you want to take as an apology was a thank you for unlocking the thread, because if in fact, it was an accident, then unlocking it was the right thing to do, and i was expressing appreciation.
clum
Clumeleon
Quote by adele
which of my arguments, and I use that term only because you did...


I can't give an example due your aforementioned inability to make one.

Quote by adele
I asked a question, quite a reasonable question at that, in a polite tone. in response, I got condescending replies, insults and accusations, but not one mod was able to answer my question. plus, I have been accused several times of being outraged. show me exactly where I say or show outrage. and easily offended? I think I let an awful lot be said before I finally said I think I am owed an apology.


Actually, you never got any condescension or insults for asking the question. In this particular thread, your altercation began with me when you chose to assume that a post I wrote about people being outraged was directed at you.

In fact, the first time I've said anything that could be be construed as insulting was when I implied you were an idiot for thinking Milik's post implied a threat. That was not about you asking a simple question, polite or not - that was about you being an idiot.

(I'm not sure what you mean by accusations).

And your whole tone has, to me, conveyed outrage. You might not be using capital letters or multiple question marks, but it's clear you've got a wasp in your cunt about something. I don't know what you think you've let slide because I can't remember the last time you shut up.

Quote by adele
and I didn't say you represent nicola


Yes you did:

Quote by adele
wonder how nicola feels about people that represent her and her site


Idiot.

Quote by adele
mods should be held to a higher standard than an average user to set an example for the others. I think snarkiness and insulting comments are something you give up the right to when you take a position as a mod, unless it is made extremely clear it is an attempt at humor, and not after the fact to CYA. and you as well as several other mods and site admins have not done that, in both this thread or in the other thread asking the same question I did.


While it's lovely to hear your opinion on what a mod should and shouldn't do, I frankly don't give a fuck. I do what I can to help members on this site, but I don't sacrifice my personality or stop calling out morons. I certainly didn't sign away my right to be snarky.

Nowhere have I tried to cover my ass. I make no apologies for the things I have said to you. You are an idiot, an asstard and a moron, and you've done nothing to make me think otherwise.

If I felt you deserved a higher level of respect, I would certainly give it to you. I don't.
Burquette
Bug
You know if mods aren't allowed to have outbursts in the forums, and they're expected to explain why a story did/didn't get a RR or EP, all while taking it in stride while they're called unfairly judged (or worse) in competition entries...all this without compensation, why the fuck would anyone want this job?

And if nobody wants the job, who will you bitch about when the world doesn't go as you want it to?
sprite
Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by Burquette
You know if mods aren't allowed to have outbursts in the forums, and they're expected to explain why a story did/didn't get a RR or EP, all while taking it in stride while they're called unfairly judged (or worse) in competition entries...all this without compensation, why the fuck would anyone want this job?

And if nobody wants the job, who will you bitch about when the world doesn't go as you want it to?


*post of the day*

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by NymphWriter

Quote by adele


Quote by Milik_the_Red

I have no idea why it was locked, but as a former mod, I can say if it was, there was a good reason for it. These things are never done arbitrarily. And it certainly wasn't done to protect Trump.

The mods have far more to do than to defend themselves against this sort of thing, so if it was locked, it was a decision made or backed at the highest levels, and it was done after some discussion. Best leave it alone and move on, IMHO



Sounds a bit like a threat, IMHO



Please explain how what Milik said was a threat because I don't see one. I see him defending the Mods decision and I, for one, agree with him. You are allowed to disagree... but don't accuse him of doing something he didn't do.


If you and some friends were standing on a street corner talking, and an ex-cop came up to you and said "someone doesn't like you standing here. I think you best move on." just how would you take that? as a joke? as friendly advice? or possibly as an implied threat? I don't know milik, and therefore don't know his sense of humor. I read what he said. he could have said it a lot of different ways, but he chose to say it that way. and I interpreted it literally. of course, I could always back track and say my statement was also said facetiously. but no one took it that way, now did they? everyone took it literally, even though it was put in the same format as his statement (i.e. ending in IMHO). why take his statement as a joke or harmless and mine seriously? different rules for different people? or assumptions made just because you know someone?

and, as it turns out, it seems his entire statement about the thread not being locked arbitrarily, that the locking was discussed and made or backed at the highest levels is not even true. later statements by others use the words glitch and accidental. and maybe even the mod that locked it didn't know they did it. and thus it was unlocked because no one could find the reason it was locked in the first place.
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by Burquette
You know if mods aren't allowed to have outbursts in the forums, and they're expected to explain why a story did/didn't get a RR or EP, all while taking it in stride while they're called unfairly judged (or worse) in competition entries...all this without compensation, why the fuck would anyone want this job?

And if nobody wants the job, who will you bitch about when the world doesn't go as you want it to?


As another user put it, a mod expressing their opinion in a non-site related thread is perfectly acceptable and it is quite obvious that any rants or outburst in there are their personal opinion. but this thread is asking a question about a site related issue, and thus, most people would assume that any mod responding is representing the site. In that capacity, I would expect them to be professional in any responses and perhaps a statement from the first mod responding saying that while locking a thread generally has a good reason, the matter is being investigated. but not one mod ever said that. it wasn't until it was unlocked that a mod said they unlocked it because they don't know why it was locked in the first place.

And why did you bring up all the stuff about RRs and EPs and competitions? (which I note you have a multitude of, so no reason to question how they are given or judged.) not one word has been mentioned about this in either of the threads asking why the one thread was locked without an explanation. In fact, I even said I know how hard the mods work, and all on a volunteer basis. the initial question asked was just why was no sort of explanation, or possibly a warning given or an offensive post just deleted rather than just locking the thread. and my complaint is the unprofessional attitude a number of the mods have used in this particular thread calling people names and swearing and just a general avoidance of the original issue.
sprite
Her Royal Spriteness
Now that i took my horse out of the race, this is getting kind of entertaining.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
JessicaX
Story Verifier

You said it Sprite!
Burquette
Bug
Quote by adele


As another user put it, a mod expressing their opinion in a non-site related thread is perfectly acceptable and it is quite obvious that any rants or outburst in there are their personal opinion. but this thread is asking a question about a site related issue, and thus, most people would assume that any mod responding is representing the site. In that capacity, I would expect them to be professional in any responses and perhaps a statement from the first mod responding saying that while locking a thread generally has a good reason, the matter is being investigated. but not one mod ever said that. it wasn't until it was unlocked that a mod said they unlocked it because they don't know why it was locked in the first place.

And why did you bring up all the stuff about RRs and EPs and competitions? (which I note you have a multitude of, so no reason to question how they are given or judged.) not one word has been mentioned about this in either of the threads asking why the one thread was locked without an explanation. In fact, I even said I know how hard the mods work, and all on a volunteer basis. the initial question asked was just why was no sort of explanation, or possibly a warning given or an offensive post just deleted rather than just locking the thread. and my complaint is the unprofessional attitude a number of the mods have used in this particular thread calling people names and swearing and just a general avoidance of the original issue.


I brought up the stuff about the EP and RR because along with competitions and locking/unlocking threads, that's what mods usually get bashed for. I was suggesting that this is more piling on. And it is.

For some reason, you seem to think you have a right to know why a thread is locked. You don't. You're not at a customer service counter at Best Buy. You seem to think you have the right to tell mods how they should act. You don't. You've not the owner of this site.

I think you've actually been treated pretty well, all things considered.
noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by adele
As another user put it, a mod expressing their opinion in a non-site related thread is perfectly acceptable and it is quite obvious that any rants or outburst in there are their personal opinion. but this thread is asking a question about a site related issue, and thus, most people would assume that any mod responding is representing the site. In that capacity, I would expect them to be professional in any responses and perhaps a statement from the first mod responding saying that while locking a thread generally has a good reason, the matter is being investigated. but not one mod ever said that. it wasn't until it was unlocked that a mod said they unlocked it because they don't know why it was locked in the first place.


I'm pretty sure I'm the other user you're referring to. I wasn't talking about acceptable or non-acceptable mod behavior though. I was referring to the way their posts may sometimes be interpreted by users because of their mod status, and how that might lead to more drama than needed. Does that mean I think mods should behave in a certain way? No. But I think it's naive to think that their posts will not be interpreted in the context of their role as mods. In site-related threads that is.


===  Not ALL LIVES MATTER until BLACK LIVES MATTER  ===
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by Burquette


I brought up the stuff about the EP and RR because along with competitions and locking/unlocking threads, that's what mods usually get bashed for. I was suggesting that this is more piling on. And it is.

For some reason, you seem to think you have a right to know why a thread is locked. You don't. You're not at a customer service counter at Best Buy. You seem to think you have the right to tell mods how they should act. You don't. You've not the owner of this site.

I think you've actually been treated pretty well, all things considered.


what they get bashed for in other threads has nothing to do with this thread. a simple question was asked, and every answer that was given was vague and non-responsive. do I have a right to know why a thread was locked? maybe, maybe not. but I was not the only person that wondered, and initially it was just a question, not a demand. and even the mods (most importantly the one actual forum mod that replied) agreed in whole or part that transparency elicits trust in the site by the users and in general is a good thing. and I don't know about you, but if a clerk in a store treated me, as a customer (and I am a customer of Lush), with the same lack of respect that some of the mods showed me, you're damned right I have a right to expect more. even more than that, I would head right to the store manager and report it. I stayed civil and my tone remained polite for a lot longer than others would have. I expressed that I do appreciate the work the mods do. I thanked sprite when she unlocked the thread. I was ready to set the whole thing aside at that point, because the thread was unlocked. but the abuse got even worse after that and was escalated by clum in particular.

"all things considered"? what things? and if you think being called an asstard and an idiot, being told that I am outraged (which I was not at first, but certainly am now) and that not one thing I said made any sense is being treated well, then I would hate to see what you consider abuse.
adele
Weaver of Words
Quote by noll


I'm pretty sure I'm the other user you're referring to. I wasn't talking about acceptable or non-acceptable mod behavior though. I was referring to the way their posts may sometimes be interpreted by users because of their mod status, and how that might lead to more drama than needed. Does that mean I think mods should behave in a certain way? No. But I think it's naive to think that their posts will not be interpreted in the context of their role as mods. In site-related threads that is.


and I agree with you. they have a right to express their opinions, and even to rant, but not when they are presenting themselves as representatives of the site. this was a site related issue, in a site related thread, and don't see that many of the comments made were mod-like in the least. and though at one point or another, they said they were story mods, not forum mods, or on leave of absence from moderating anything, they still all inserted themselves in the discussion as an authority. even the site mods got involved, and though they are in authority, gave no better answers than anyone else. and did little to nothing to diffuse the situation. since they presented themselves as mods, I don't find it unreasonable to expect them to behave as such.
Buz
The Linebacker
I would vote for locking this thread since it no longer serves a useful purpose and has become a bane of negativity.

I won't, though. That would be up to the Forum mods. But it is my opinion.

I'd like to see everyone move on and try and take a more positive attitude toward things.
Liz
Scarlet Seductress
Quote by Buz
I won't, though.


I will.

I think it's run its course now. Asstards and wasps and shit...