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Quote by adele
Oh, I see. you can take things literally, but I can't? and, btw, I was not the only one that saw the implied threat. "Best leave it alone and move on, IMHO" only leaves out the words, "or else" and the implication isn't that hard to see.


Adding words to other people's statements can make them imply many things other than their original intention.

You're just talking nonsense now.
Quote by NymphWriter
I didn't start two different threads (one that has already been locked) whining about locked or deleted threads, you did. I'm rarely if ever bothered when a thread gets locked or deleted... often I'm surprised locked threads doesn't happen more often with the way they often get derailed. If the Mods felt they should be locked, then so be it... who are you to question this? You should know that thread locked is not done lightly here and there is a purpose to doing it.


Not sure what locked thread about locked/deleted threads that I started you're referring to. At the moment neither this thread, or the one that SJ linked to, are locked. I'm not aware that either one ever was *
And who are you to question what I am to question?

The fact that the thread this was all about is unlocked now and none of the mods seem to know why it was locked in the first place doesn't look good on your "is not done lightly" claim, does it?


* Edit: I see now that Sprite had a bit of playtime there ;)


Quote by NymphWriter
And feel free to have the last word on this one as well as that is truly your nature. Should you choose not to... that too is your choice.


Wait, WUT? You finally let go of your "let it go" command? Damn, it took a while, but it seems you win in the end. Congratulations! Well, we both win of course, because I get to have the last word now. Sometimes it all just works out. It sure took some perseverance though.


===  Not ALL LIVES MATTER until BLACK LIVES MATTER  ===

Anyway, thanks Sprite, for unlocking the thread and being open about it!


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Quote by adele
and yet another mod calling me names.... wonder how nicola feels about people that represent her and her site (on leave or not, still listed as a mod) resorting to name calling. this is the same type of behavior other users get reprimanded for. guess there is a double standard when it comes to mods.


I'll admit, name-calling is quite juvenile (although I'm not convinced calling someone an "asstard" has ever gotten anyone reprimanded), but it's difficult to do much else when faced with someone incapable of making reasoned, logical arguments and who is easily outraged and offended.

I may, to some extent, represent the site in the sense that I am a mod, but I certainly don't represent Nicola herself. And I think it's pretty clear that the comments I make in the forum are my own thoughts and not a direct response from LushStories.com.
Quote by adele


Oh, I see. you can take things literally, but I can't? and, btw, I was not the only one that saw the implied threat. "Best leave it alone and move on, IMHO" only leaves out the words, "or else" and the implication isn't that hard to see.


Because I wasn't making a joke, nor was I implying a threat. I furthermore made it clear I have no authority here to back up this so called 'implied threat', thus the idea I could make one even if I had the desire, is nonsensical.

So, I never made or implied a threat that, as a private member, I could not possibly enforce, yet you are still going on about the possibility that I did. Therefore, you are being an asstard.

I do hope that clears this up.
Quote by clum
I may, to some extent, represent the site in the sense that I am a mod, but I certainly don't represent Nicola herself. And I think it's pretty clear that the comments I make in the forum are my own thoughts and not a direct response from LushStories.com.


I'm not sure how clear that is for many on the outside. And I think that that's what often leads to threads like these. Mods do represent the site. Sure, not like Nicola does, but still. In non-site related threads it's all clear that whatever a mod posts is their personal opinion. But in threads like these it gets very blurry very quickly. So if people (feel they) get attacked by mods for asking a simple question then that will be seen as an offensive/defensive knee jerk response by the team behind the site, not just by that particular mod. Not all will see it that way, but some definitely will.
And to be honest I've seen quite a few remarkable knee jerk reactions by mods over time (and overly sensitive responses from the other side as well of course). It leads to annoyances/distrust on both sides that should not be necessary in my mind. And you know how much I like a good confrontation ;)


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If I may continue to beat a dead horse, I'm glad this thread and threads like these happen.

I'm a fan of open dialogue. I'm also a believer in transparency. I can't recall very many times (if any) where I've locked or deleted a thread or edited a post without giving a reason.

I get that things happen and time may not always permit it, but I feel like a reason should be given as often as possible, not only to keep that element of transparency and approachability, but also so the same mistakes don't get made and people know what to expect going forward.

I don't think we can have much of a site if people feel as if they can't approach us this way.

But also, it helps not to immediately go the suspicious or accusatory route. I personally try not to assume the worst, and I'm naive enough to expect the same in return. I also understand how frustrating it can be when simple inquiries are met with suspicion or are simply dismissed or silenced. Unless all talking points are exhausted and answers have been provided to the extent of one's abilities, "Just drop it!" or "Let it go!" just aren't the makings of good dialogue.

Hopefully whoever locked the thread will come forward (or already has, I haven't looked into it), and for now I can only hope they did so for good reasons. It can't be fair to want others to trust our reasons for taking certain actions (especially one as public and prominent as locking a thread) only to turn around and be unwilling to disclose what those reasons are.

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Quote by Dani
If I may continue to beat a dead horse, I'm glad this thread and threads like these happen.

I'm a fan of open dialogue. I'm also a believer in transparency. I can't recall very many times (if any) where I've locked or deleted a thread or edited a post without giving a reason.

I get that things happen and time may not always permit it, but I feel like a reason should be given as often as possible, not only to keep that element of transparency and approachability, but also so the same mistakes don't get made and people know what to expect going forward.

I don't think we can have much of a site if people feel as if they can't approach us this way.

But also, it helps not to immediately go the suspicious or accusatory route. I personally try not to assume the worst, and I'm naive enough to expect the same in return. I also understand how frustrating it can be when simple inquiries are met with suspicion or are simply dismissed or silenced. Unless all talking points are exhausted and answers have been provided to the extent of one's abilities, "Just drop it!" or "Let it go!" just aren't the makings of good dialogue.

Hopefully whoever locked the thread will come forward (or already has, I haven't looked into it), and for now I can only hope they did so for good reasons. It can't be fair to want others to trust our reasons for taking certain actions (especially one as public and prominent as locking a thread) only to turn around and be unwilling to disclose what those reasons are.



===  Not ALL LIVES MATTER until BLACK LIVES MATTER  ===

Quote by noll
I'm not sure how clear that is for many on the outside. And I think that that's what often leads to threads like these.


For the sake of clarity, if I call someone an idiot or asstard, that's me talking. If I share any relevant information about how the site works, then I'm probably doing that on behalf of the site. It shouldn't be hard to distinguish.

Quote by noll
So if people (feel they) get attacked by mods for asking a simple question then that will be seen as an offensive/defensive knee jerk response by the team behind the site, not just by that particular mod.


In all the years I've been on this site, I have never seen anyone "attacked" for asking a simple question. People do, however, get called on their bullshit for being morons, or at least saying moronic things. Even when I defend the site against criticism, it's not "knee jerk" - it's based on my knowledge of the site.

Quote by noll
It leads to annoyances/distrust on both sides that should not be necessary in my mind. And you know how much I like a good confrontation ;)


The problem probably arises from the fact that people think there are "sides". There are mods to keep the site running as smoothly as possible, not to keep the masses in check. I can't even call someone an asstard without being accused of abusing my supposed fucking power.
Quote by clum


The problem probably arises from the fact that people think there are "sides". There are mods to keep the site running as smoothly as possible, not to keep the masses in check. I can't even call someone an asstard without being accused of abusing my supposed fucking power.


This is also an important point.

The notion that because someone is a mod, they should staunch their self-expression is absurd. As is the notion that any negative opinion or criticism is some sort of abuse of power.

There are quite a few people who I think are turd jugglers. I should be able to express that and have it be a reflection of me. I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to suss out the difference.

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Maybe it was locked by accident. It's certainly not locked now.
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I looked just now, and it wasn't locked.
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Quote by clum
The problem probably arises from the fact that people think there are "sides". There are mods to keep the site running as smoothly as possible, not to keep the masses in check. I can't even call someone an asstard without being accused of abusing my supposed fucking power.


But there are sides. There's an inside and an outside. That may not be as obvious to the ones inside, as they can move on both sides, whereas those on the outside can not. I'm not saying there are opposing sides, but there are sides and at times its easy to perceive them as opposing.


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Quote by Liz


Adding words to other people's statements can make them imply many things other than their original intention.

You're just talking nonsense now.



even without the or else, "Better leave it alone and move on" isn't exactly friendly sounding (or perhaps he thinks he is Obi Wan Kenobi, and is trying to control my mind with the force, LOL). it was not posed as a question, but rather as a statement and I took it literally, something apparently only milik is allowed to do.

I was prepared to just leave this thread alone, as the thread that prompted this was unlocked, but when mods continue saying things like only an asstard would think he was serious, a definite reference to me, and another mod agreeing with that and adding only an idiot would have thought what milki said was a threat (again me, and perhaps a few others) well, now I am getting a bit outraged. this is not mod-like behavior. I might expect it from some posters, but not from the mods. they are supposed to set a good example. I do think a few of them owe me (and by extension, the others that agreed with me) an apology.
Quote by Dani


This is also an important point.

The notion that because someone is a mod, they should staunch their self-expression is absurd. As is the notion that any negative opinion or criticism is some sort of abuse of power.

There are quite a few people who I think are turd jugglers. I should be able to express that and have it be a reflection of me. I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to suss out the difference.


no, see, it's cool to censor mods. that's different.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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run for cover before it's too late! the mod squad is gonna getcha, girl!

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by adele



even without the or else, "Better leave it alone and move on" isn't exactly friendly sounding (or perhaps he thinks he is Obi Wan Kenobi, and is trying to control my mind with the force, LOL). it was not posed as a question, but rather as a statement and I took it literally, something apparently only milik is allowed to do.

I was prepared to just leave this thread alone, as the thread that prompted this was unlocked, but when mods continue saying things like only an asstard would think he was serious, a definite reference to me, and another mod agreeing with that and adding only an idiot would have thought what milki said was a threat (again me, and perhaps a few others) well, now I am getting a bit outraged. this is not mod-like behavior. I might expect it from some posters, but not from the mods. they are supposed to set a good example. I do think a few of them owe me (and by extension, the others that agreed with me) an apology.


i'm sorry i implied that you're an asstard.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

It could've been accidentally locked for all we know. It's easy to hit a wrong box when using a phone and not even know it. Phone screens can get very jumpy at times, especially Samsung phones. I have one. Trying to click a link or a box can be like playing a video game at times. Who the fuck knows?

Quote by clum


I'll admit, name-calling is quite juvenile (although I'm not convinced calling someone an "asstard" has ever gotten anyone reprimanded), but it's difficult to do much else when faced with someone incapable of making reasoned, logical arguments and who is easily outraged and offended.

I may, to some extent, represent the site in the sense that I am a mod, but I certainly don't represent Nicola herself. And I think it's pretty clear that the comments I make in the forum are my own thoughts and not a direct response from LushStories.com.


which of my arguments, and I use that term only because you did... I asked a question, quite a reasonable question at that, in a polite tone. in response, I got condescending replies, insults and accusations, but not one mod was able to answer my question. plus, I have been accused several times of being outraged. show me exactly where I say or show outrage. and easily offended? I think I let an awful lot be said before I finally said I think I am owed an apology.

and I didn't say you represent nicola, i said you represent her site, and as a mod, you do. mods should be held to a higher standard than an average user to set an example for the others. I think snarkiness and insulting comments are something you give up the right to when you take a position as a mod, unless it is made extremely clear it is an attempt at humor, and not after the fact to CYA. and you as well as several other mods and site admins have not done that, in both this thread or in the other thread asking the same question I did.
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Because I wasn't making a joke, nor was I implying a threat. I furthermore made it clear I have no authority here to back up this so called 'implied threat', thus the idea I could make one even if I had the desire, is nonsensical.

So, I never made or implied a threat that, as a private member, I could not possibly enforce, yet you are still going on about the possibility that I did. Therefore, you are being an asstard.

I do hope that clears this up.


you could still be privy to the inner workings of Lush, so even if you personally could not carry out a threat, you could have knowledge that a threat could be carried out by someone else
. but you certainly just now put yourself in the same league with the rest of the mods, even if you no longer are one.
I would of thought it was obvious. Not one person here is qualified to make any kind of judgements on the state of a person's mental health because they don't like their politics. Trump is your President, get over it ! I happen to think Liberalism is a mental illness.
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Quote by noll
The thread "Does the new American President seem mentally ill to you?" was locked earlier today, without any warnings beforehand or a note stating why. Can we please get some info as to why this thread was locked? Thx.


No one knows. Was it a glitch or an accident?

But it was unlocked as soon as we determined that no one had intentionally locked it.

But there should always be someone to blame and this person/thing has been identified as a suspect. (Damn! There goes my Bermuda Shorts Triangle theory.)





CASE CLOSED!
Quote by Dani
If I may continue to beat a dead horse, I'm glad this thread and threads like these happen.

I'm a fan of open dialogue. I'm also a believer in transparency. I can't recall very many times (if any) where I've locked or deleted a thread or edited a post without giving a reason.

I get that things happen and time may not always permit it, but I feel like a reason should be given as often as possible, not only to keep that element of transparency and approachability, but also so the same mistakes don't get made and people know what to expect going forward.

I don't think we can have much of a site if people feel as if they can't approach us this way.

But also, it helps not to immediately go the suspicious or accusatory route. I personally try not to assume the worst, and I'm naive enough to expect the same in return. I also understand how frustrating it can be when simple inquiries are met with suspicion or are simply dismissed or silenced. Unless all talking points are exhausted and answers have been provided to the extent of one's abilities, "Just drop it!" or "Let it go!" just aren't the makings of good dialogue.

Hopefully whoever locked the thread will come forward (or already has, I haven't looked into it), and for now I can only hope they did so for good reasons. It can't be fair to want others to trust our reasons for taking certain actions (especially one as public and prominent as locking a thread) only to turn around and be unwilling to disclose what those reasons are.


First voice of reason I have heard. This is exactly correct. Thank You.
Quote by adele


First voice of reason I have heard.


ditto.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by adele


you could still be privy to the inner workings of Lush, so even if you personally could not carry out a threat, you could have knowledge that a threat could be carried out by someone else
. but you certainly just now put yourself in the same league with the rest of the mods, even if you no longer are one.


anyone on my friend's list could be privy to the inner workings of lush. *que sinister music*.

hell, anyone who asks me could be. it's not like it's some complicated machine. people post, people chat, people send in stories. here's the deal. Milik and i don't always see eye to eye. it's just a thing that happened. that said, i will be the first to admit that the man's integrity is above reproach. he wouldn't pull a cheap stunt like that, not even threaten it. anyone who knows anything about him knows that, so really, you might want to lay off that line of accusation. btw, that's not a threat, just a thought, cause in the long run, it's just going to make you look silly.

ps. we stopped employing the men in black after the 'Marylbone incident' of '09.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Buz


No one knows. Was it a glitch or an accident?

But it was unlocked as soon as we determined that no one had intentionally locked it.

But there should always be someone to blame and this person/thing has been identified as a suspect. (Damn! There goes my Bermuda Shorts Triangle theory.)





CASE CLOSED!


but we don't know that at all. we still don't know who closed it or why. sprite unlocked it cause she could not find the reason why. and for all we know, the person who locked it in the first place could come back and lock it again, or as sprite said (and yes I know it was in jest) she was just gonna randomly lock and unlock it.

I am happy it is unlocked. I still think the transparency was sadly lacking on this issue, and that lack led to a lot of unnecessary posting as well as rudeness on the part of some people that should know better. let's hope next time, any similar situation is handled better by those supposedly in charge.
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i'm sorry i implied that you're an asstard.


I will choose to accept that as an apology.
Quote by Buz
No one knows. Was it a glitch or an accident?


A glitchident? Where no one knows who or why, but it most certainly wasn't arbitrarily ;)


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