Personally, your Not thinking of the many clients over 50 whom do-not use any other platforms , some are not even on Facebook ,I trust you will lose a lot of your older clients whom had it rough enough with the last Big change , now your at it again, why not let sleeping dogs lye ,wait until they catch up with the last change ,which some are still doing ?
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Personally, your Not thinking of the many clients over 50 whom do-not use any other platforms , some are not even on Facebook ,I trust you will lose a lot of your older clients whom had it rough enough with the last Big change , now your at it again, why not let sleeping dogs lye ,wait until they catch up with the last change ,which some are still doing ?
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Lips
Frankly, I am a member over 50 who wants a better messaging system, including the features they are talking about. And I do use other platforms. I am even a forum admin. So please don't lump us all into some stereotype of being a bunch of technophobes. People my age first encountered personal computers in high school so they aren't exactly new to us.
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Personally, your Not thinking of the many clients over 50 whom do-not use any other platforms , some are not even on Facebook ,I trust you will lose a lot of your older clients whom had it rough enough with the last Big change , now your at it again, why not let sleeping dogs lye ,wait until they catch up with the last change ,which some are still doing ?
Kindest regards
Lips
And I thought Facebook was only for 50 and up.
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Personally, your Not thinking of the many clients over 50 whom do-not use any other platforms , some are not even on Facebook ,I trust you will lose a lot of your older clients whom had it rough enough with the last Big change , now your at it again, why not let sleeping dogs lye ,wait until they catch up with the last change ,which some are still doing ?
Kindest regards
Lips
You'll catch up.
- All of your messages to another member will be combined into a single message.
Not being one of the cool kids and therefore not using any of the applications mentioned, I just cannot fathom how this is a good idea. Several above have noted this as well. Yes, I'm old fashioned, but I like things grouped by subject more than sender. Maybe (quite possibly) I don't understand something about this combining of messages, but it just seems on the surface that it will be rather difficult to manage.
Along with others, I lamented the loss of folders, and this seems the next step in obfuscation.
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- All of your messages to another member will be combined into a single message.
Not being one of the cool kids and therefore not using any of the applications mentioned, I just cannot fathom how this is a good idea. Several above have noted this as well. Yes, I'm old fashioned, but I like things grouped by subject more than sender. Maybe (quite possibly) I don't understand something about this combining of messages, but it just seems on the surface that it will be rather difficult to manage.
Along with others, I lamented the loss of folders, and this seems the next step in obfuscation.
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Hey
Your messages are not grouped by subject, even now.
Messages are currently set in chronological order (unless there is a trick i have missed).
For the technophobes:
I find it hard to believe that so many "clients over 50 whom do-not use any other platforms" are on Lush but do not, or have never used one or a combination of;
, I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger, or even standard SMS messages which have been around for literally decades.
That is without the likes of MSN, or AOL messengers which dominated the first decade of the 2000's.
I see that many people on Lush also request to move to " ", even that uses a similar platform to the new Lush messenger when you get to the basics.
The majority of the most successul messaging platforms in the world are currently using a version similar to that which is proposed and Lush are soon adopting.
My parents are nearing their 60's, they are in the same age bracket as these clients and currently use/have used most, if not all of the examples which I have mentioned above.
My Nanny Tilly is 81 yearls old and uses Facebook and almost each day to message us.
When people are not told about an update, they are livid (I know was when Lush initially changed).
Now that people are told about an update - well in advance, people manufacture issues, assume that the owners, admin and developers haven't thought about potential transitional issues.
There is just no pleasing some people.
The real problem here though is that people do not like being told what is happening, they believe that they should have a say in the matter, largely without a technological background of the current or proposed system.
I seem to write a story every 1.5 years on average.
You might as well check them out: https://www.lushstories.com/profile/Georgia_27_8/stories
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Now that people are told about an update - well in advance, people manufacture issues, assume that the owners, admin and developers haven't thought about potential transitional issues.
Honestly? After 20+ years in IT I just expect this. You fix something that is broken or could work better and there will be someone whose first reaction is, "but that's not how I want it" or "I liked it better the old broken way." Solution is to focus on the majority. If most are cool with the change, the rest will eventually follow.
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Now that people are told about an update - well in advance, people manufacture issues, assume that the owners, admin and developers haven't thought about potential transitional issues.Honestly? After 20+ years in IT I just expect this. You fix something that is broken or could work better and there will be someone whose first reaction is, "but that's not how I want it" or "I liked it better the old broken way." Solution is to focus on the majority. If most are cool with the change, the rest will eventually follow.
Away from Lush i work in technology.
Although my job isn't "IT" as most would associate it with what IT is typically known as being, I work within technology services for one of the worlds top 5 business within its designated sector.
I don't think there is a competitor within our sector which changes its tech more than we do.
I see the above reactions all the time with our migrations and upgrades.
Upgrading technology to what is either popular and/or or bleeding edge, is what keeps organisations relevant in 2022 against its competitors.
Lush is considered (personally at least) as one of those leaders in its own sector, so Lush needs to do what it has to do to stay up there.
I seem to write a story every 1.5 years on average.
You might as well check them out: https://www.lushstories.com/profile/Georgia_27_8/stories
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Sounds good. Time will tell. is fine. Also, please don't wait too long before taking a look at and modifying the "Gallery", so those of us looking for real people can find them!
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Honestly? After 20+ years in IT I just expect this. You fix something that is broken or could work better and there will be someone whose first reaction is, "but that's not how I want it" or "I liked it better the old broken way." Solution is to focus on the majority. If most are cool with the change, the rest will eventually follow.
Aye, I believe that's the point griffers was making in the original post. I think some people are just resistant to change regardless of what it is.
Given how many of my patients over age 70 have figured out how to use telemedicine features thanks to the pandemic, I'm sure our other older Lush patrons will figure this out too.
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Given how many of my patients over age 70 have figured out how to use telemedicine features thanks to the pandemic, I'm sure our other older Lush patrons will figure this out too.
We are seeing this at work, too (home oxygen).
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Sounds good. Time will tell. is fine. Also, please don't wait too long before taking a look at and modifying the "Gallery", so those of us looking for real people can find them!
Wait! Those aren't all real Lush people doing real Lush things??? I want my money back!
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The current mailbox doesn't support folders, so all messages were just put into your inbox when we migrated. Everything should be there, just not in a separate folder.
Plenty of conversations got lost for me unfortunately.
Were they starred before the migration occurred. If not ...
Why i asked if we needed to star anything new we want saved and carried
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The current mailbox doesn't support folders, so all messages were just put into your inbox when we migrated. Everything should be there, just not in a separate folder.
Plenty of conversations got lost for me unfortunately.
Were they starred before the migration occurred. If not ...
Why i asked if we needed to star anything new we want saved and carried
At this point I don't know. And I still don't know what starring would have to do with keeping or losing messages. Is there any info somewhere about this? Because to me giving a message a star would just mean it's easy to filter. I don't see any info that it has additional consequences.
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With this new system will there be any kind of Tutorials on how to use it for those NOT familiar with , I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger
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The current mailbox doesn't support folders, so all messages were just put into your inbox when we migrated. Everything should be there, just not in a separate folder.
Plenty of conversations got lost for me unfortunately.
Were they starred before the migration occurred. If not ...
Why i asked if we needed to star anything new we want saved and carried
At this point I don't know. And I still don't know what starring would have to do with keeping or losing messages. Is there any info somewhere about this? Because to me giving a message a star would just mean it's easy to filter. I don't see any info that it has additional consequences.
With the current version of messnenger, if you "star" a message, it does not get deleted.
When we moved from V1 to V2, we all had a number of weeks to "star" certain messages we wanted to keep.
This was a space saving excercise so that messages that we didn't want to be kept could be removed - saving both storage space and running costs.
You are correct in regards to filtering, you are able to filter between the ones that have a star (permanently keep) and do not.
There was a banner message at the top of the Lushmail page for a while and also another Forum thread somewhere telling us all that this was the case with putting a "star" to messages.
If you have seriously not used; , I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger, , MSN, or AOL messengers then I would genuinely love some insight on what Social Media platforms, Instant chat and messengers services you have used over the last 20 years.
I would love if you could Lushmail that to me as I am actually really interested.
I seem to write a story every 1.5 years on average.
You might as well check them out: https://www.lushstories.com/profile/Georgia_27_8/stories
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If you have seriously not used; , I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger, , MSN, or AOL messengers then I would genuinely love some insight on what Social Media platforms, Instant chat and messengers services you have used over the last 20 years.
I would love if you could Lushmail that to me as I am actually really interested.
I know that you are not asking me but I will answer for me.
Of the things that you list the only one that I use and have ever used is .
Other than that I communicate by basic email.
I do not have a smart phone, my mobile is antiquated and seldom used.
I am not a young person.
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With this new system will there be any kind of Tutorials on how to use it for those NOT familiar with , I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger
If you have used BBs or PMs on lush previously I suspect you'll be fine, but there will be plenty of people to ask if the occasion arises.
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The current mailbox doesn't support folders, so all messages were just put into your inbox when we migrated. Everything should be there, just not in a separate folder.
Plenty of conversations got lost for me unfortunately.
Were they starred before the migration occurred. If not ...
Why i asked if we needed to star anything new we want saved and carried
At this point I don't know. And I still don't know what starring would have to do with keeping or losing messages. Is there any info somewhere about this? Because to me giving a message a star would just mean it's easy to filter. I don't see any info that it has additional consequences.
With the current version of messnenger, if you "star" a message, it does not get deleted.
When we moved from V1 to V2, we all had a number of weeks to "star" certain messages we wanted to keep.
This was a space saving excercise so that messages that we didn't want to be kept could be removed - saving both storage space and running costs.
You are correct in regards to filtering, you are able to filter between the ones that have a star (permanently keep) and do not.
There was a banner message at the top of the Lushmail page for a while and also another Forum thread somewhere telling us all that this was the case with putting a "star" to messages.
If you have seriously not used; , I-message, Facebook, , Twitter, BlackBerry Messenger, , MSN, or AOL messengers then I would genuinely love some insight on what Social Media platforms, Instant chat and messengers services you have used over the last 20 years.
I would love if you could Lushmail that to me as I am actually really interested.
I must have missed the banner about the need for starring messages then. Can't remember I had heard about it until it was mentioned here in this thread.
As I mentioned before I have no issue with the proposed messaging format. I've even implemented a similar system in an app myself. All I'm concerned about is what it will do with existing conversations. If those will remain readable in a meaningful way, then all is fine by me. If all posts just get added in chronological order, then simultaneous conversation with the same person may become pretty meaningless. But if there's a fix to prevent that, then I see no issue with the new system.
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When should we expect this to happen?
Can we also be able to create personal folders so we can sort them how we like? How soon should we expect this to be done? I think the anticipation of these changes will be more feared than warranted if waiting too long.
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- All of your messages to another member will be combined into a single message.
Hey
Your messages are not grouped by subject, even now.
Messages are currently set in chronological order (unless there is a trick i have missed).
For the technophobes:
A true statement. However, I DO have message subjects and often different subjects from the same correspondent. I scroll through the messages and locate that of interest fairly easily (though folders, as I said are a lamented loss).
I expressly reviewed the information at the start of this thread and, while I admit that I could have missed it, did not find anything which would seem to indicate somehow emulating that capability. Reading above it seems that others share this view.
Surely something of that sort must be there, otherwise it will be difficult to locate the messages regarding a specific topic.
Other than the examples noted, is there another source illustrating what capabilities will be available?
I'm not fighting change. I am genuinely interested in functionality.
Technophobe... Unfortunately, my degrees and professional career disqualify me from claiming that distinction 🙃
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The mail system is being tested at the moment, so barring any hiccups, I would expect it within the next few weeks.
No, there won't be folders. The old lush mail system was a stand alone internal thing, built and added to over the years, but the email addresses, e.g. jen@lushstories.com were just internal. While it mimicked , or etc, it wasn't. If you want or prefer to use a traditional mailing service, you'd be better using one off site.
This new system is more like (other messaging services are available - probably). You'll see a list of recently contacted people, or you can search for someone's name to write a new message to them, and you'll then see any previous messages to them in the thread (unless you've deleted them).
That being said, you will now have the ability to write a group message and add people to the group. There is no lower limit to the number of people you can add, so it's possible to create a group message, give it a group/thread title, add one other person and that way you will still have defined individual conversations with someone, if you want these to be separate to just your main thread with them.
I would strongly recommend saving any individual sentimental messages you want to keep off-site, as these will be merged into one long string. I don't know if it's possible for them to be merged by subject, then date, given these strings will not have subjects going forward.
Thank you. I think that very clearly states how it will work. And that we will need to manage things for ourselves.
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Thank you. I think that very clearly states how it will work. And that we will need to manage things for ourselves.
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Expect conversation groups named Lynn/Rob0001, Lynn/Rob0002 etc. from now on. Along with five years of historical messages all lumped into one. Bet you thought they couldn't make it worse, didn't you?
