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hello lushies.

in an attempt to be more inclusive with those who don't identify as Male or Female, we have included a pull-down list of gender options on your Personal Details page. please take a look and feel free to give me feedback on your thoughts. it's a bit of work in progress, but i like to think that it's a step in the right direction for all our non CIS members to feel like they are welcome to be themselves here.

and please, if you have any comments to post here, in this thread, please realize that for a lot of people it's a sensitive subject and be respectful. thanks.

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We will also shortly be including an option that will allow you to hide the 'Sex' attribute from your profile page if you wish.



Probably a silly question but just for clarifcation. So if a member uses the hide option and in addition makes no reference within their profile to their actual sex, members will not know whether they are male or female?

Also an assumption that this will not affect the Ladies chat room given 'Sex' is checked and only those that state Female are permitted entry.
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Probably a silly question but just for clarifcation. So if a member uses the hide option and in addition makes no reference within their profile to their actual sex, members will not know whether they are male or female?

Also an assumption that this will not affect the Ladies chat room given 'Sex' is checked and only those that state Female are permitted entry.


it will be hidden, but it will still exist.

and no, they will not, unless they ask or it's made obvious in other ways. user name, profile blog, etc. i don't see this as being an issue and it might even be nice for some of the new female members who tend to get swarmed when they first join.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

First, I want to say thank you for taking the time to implement this. I think it's a great first step.

I do think it would be preferable for new users to not have to choose between male or female to set up an account (although if impossible, an asterisk denoting that this can be hidden, when that becomes doable, would make it more inclusive.)

The drop-down box is also a good start. I can tell you all put a lot of time and effort to cover as many bases as possible and it's much better than the simple binary. Now, this might not be popular opinion, but I think a fill-in-the-blank would be most ideal for both gender and sexuality. There are a few reasons for this.

One, terms change, users from different cultures may prefer a term not used often, and no matter how hard we try to include everyone in a label and a list, someone will always be left out.

Secondly, I understand some may be concerned that users will abuse fill-in-the-blanks, but I don't think this is a bad thing. No one will stop users from filling the blank as 'straight' 'cis male' 'woman' 'non-binary' 'bi' etc etc, but many find these labels as something to deconstruct, to take back and, in some cases, destroy. As long as each individual makes their own choice how to label themselves, then they maintain autonomy over their labels (if they desire any) as well as any statement they may wish to make towards them. Who are we to get offended if a user wants to label themselves as a wolf-kin furry, a princess bitch, or gender=unapologetic sexuality=queer?

Again, I think it's a great step in making Lush a more inclusive, more diverse place. Thank you for your efforts behind the scenes.
As with many well-intentioned listings of gender identities and expressions, this is trying to capture an essentially infinite number of descriptors into a relatively small number of terms. The terms have to express the cross product of assigned sex at birth, self identification of gender, variability of sex/gender identities over time, who you like to be with emotionally, sexually, physically, how intense your libido is (and variations of that over time), etc. although some of these are categorical variables (generally only 2-3 sexual assignments at birth), many are more nuanced, on a spectrum rather than a finite number of choices.

If part of the reason for this is to allow others to search for kindred spirits then it might enable finding someone else who has a label that attracts you. It could also be used to exclude people in categories you don’t want to explore.

A fill in blank allows more nuanced choices and less easily excluded individuals. And of course you might be delightfully surprised by a person in a category you might not have chosen to search out.
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Thank you all for addressing this issue!

I also think that "sex" should not have to be chosen (even if you are able to hide it) and that sex/gender/etc should be fill in the blank.

It has been great to join this site! but I did so upon personal recommendation and would not have considered joining otherwise simply becasue choosing a sex, either male or female, is required.
I think this is a great forward step for the site and the community.
When I started here I intended to be a genderless account, just a notebook that posted stories.
The site didn't allow me to do that, I had to chose to be a person who happened to write.
I had to choose from limited options, and went through the process to become the account that I have at the moment.
Part of me very nearly didn't want me to complete the account process, because I'd have to be defined as something.
That anything I wrote or posted would be viewed through the prism of gender and sexuality.
Don't get me wrong I'm an out proud queer woman, but I don't want everything I do to be a reflection of that.

As for the use of gender as a lock for places. I've been in chat a long time on a lot of places and having a gender restriction never works.
You either end up with a room that's empty a lot of the time, because there aren't enough people there to make others wander in.
Or you end up with people wearing a disguise to enter the room. Since I fully accept that not all the people I talk to will be what they claim to be, why not remove gender itself as a restriction.

I understand some of my queer kin want rooms for people who are more like them, and that's a perfectly valid request. However do I need to have a listing on my account that says my gender, my orientation and my lifestyle to find others like me?

I'd join with Violet and respectfully ask, could it be considered having the gender, lifestyle, and anything similar as free boxes. That anything can be put in them.
Then if people abuse that feature, those accounts can quite rightly be punished for breaking the rules and for behaving like idiots.
How many people are we keeping from joining us because we make them define what they are, instead of just being people.

I know from an engineering perspective that not all of these things are always possible. Some databases once set to require something, can't have that requirement removed.
It's entirely possible that not all of this something that can be done without an awful lot of work.
I'd just ask, nicely and respectfully can we consider making it possible to have whatever gender, lifestyle, or identity we wish.
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