Can some programming be added to disallow males from entering the ladies room?

28 Feb 2014

Really I wont repeat what I said above but if you see this as an issue then you can of course report that and through the available routes as I suggest. Just because we are having this discussion I will not be reporting this on your behalf and furthermore moderators and site admin do no trawl through general threads looking for posts that indicate a member or members have a problem or issue.

I truly do not intend to cause problems, only clarify a point made. In another thread when I said to contact specific forum staff about issues that they were the only ones who could truly take care of the problem, you pointed out that ALL staff could be contacted and they would then forward the issue to those who could take care of it. Is not talking on the open forum a form of "contact"? And if any staff member sees a general member who has a problem, wouldn't that generally mean the staff member should forward that to others who might be able to take care of it as well?

Kind of like if someone in a position of authority or power is not purposely looking for something, but they see it happening, shouldn't they be obligated to take care of it anyways, even if it was not "reported" in another way? dontknow

Again, I ask not to cause a problem, but this seems to be a bold contradiction to what was stated in the past. Of course I don't expect staff members to trawl threads LOOKING for problems, but if one is before them, isn't it their responsibility to at least attempt to take care of it? Or does the staff ONLY deal with things that are reported via other ways? dontknow

Wouldn't that be kind of like the police saying all police can handle any issues you may have, but if you come up to them on the street, they tell you to call 911 for assistance?

28 Feb 2014

Here is the link: http://www.lushstories.com/contact-us.aspx

Anyone is welcome to use it, otherwise it would be the one of the threads as mentioned above by John.

@Lizerotica

28 Feb 2014

Quote by simplyjohn

Really I wont repeat what I said above but if you see this as an issue then you can of course report that and through the available routes as I suggest. Just because we are having this discussion I will not be reporting this on your behalf and furthermore moderators and site admin do no trawl through general threads looking for posts that indicate a member or members have a problem or issue.

That may well be true but the thread is Feedback site issues!
Hardly a general thread.

28 Feb 2014

Fine .. thats enough for me since I have tried (I believe) to be helpful and I think you are looking to turn this into an argument now about whether your posts above should be seen as reporting a problem.

I am simply not going there.

Have a good day smile

28 Feb 2014

Quote by Liz

Here is the link: http://www.lushstories.com/contact-us.aspx

Anyone is welcome to use it, otherwise it would be the one of the threads as mentioned above by John.

I don't understand why there's a feedback forum if feedback is not wanted? This whole thread was noted by Nicola et al, why would I be treated any different?

28 Feb 2014

Quote by dpw

That may well be true but the thread is Feedback site issues!
Hardly a general thread.

I have explained the background, as I understand it, to the Mens and Ladies rooms in the context of your question for you. I have suggested what you should do if you wish to report the ‘problem’ you have with members other than men being able to join the Mens Room.

In summary I am happy that I have tried to help you.

I now perceive that you wish to engage me in an argument about whether your posts in this thread constitute having reported the problem.

I am simply not going there.

Have a good day.

28 Feb 2014

I am sorry --- I will do my best to lift the seat and then put it down when done!!

28 Feb 2014

Quote by Eodman
I am sorry --- I will do my best to lift the seat and then put it down when done!!

As a gold member one of the perks is that you do not have to put the seat down when you have finished .. hell the ladies never do anyway gold or not!

28 Feb 2014

Quote by simplyjohn

I have explained the background, as I understand it, to the Mens and Ladies rooms in the context of your question for you. I have suggested what you should do if you wish to report the ‘problem’ you have with members other than men being able to join the Mens Room.

In summary I am happy that I have tried to help you.

I now perceive that you wish to engage me in an argument about whether your posts in this thread constitute having reported the problem.

I am simply not going there.

Have a good day.

I really don't understand your post. Firstly I offered to take this off thread and you thought it better in public not me.
I simply asked what the site feedback forum was for if feedback isn't picked up?

28 Feb 2014

Quote by nicola

Absolutely.

Hi Nicola, I was wondering if you could revisit this thread. I was just wondering why the change to the Men's Room never went ahead? As the original thread was in the feedback forum I thought it correct to ask here as it is already part of the discussion.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by dpw

Looking through the thread it says that in the interests of equality the Men's Room would be for guys exclusively. If guys don't go in there then surely that's a problem. Just because a problem isn't reported it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You are right in that it was discussed as a feature to be added to both the men's and ladies room. I am not sure why it wasn't, but I do have a theory. When guys were coming into the ladies room, they were often disruptive and tended to do what a lot of guys do in the other rooms, that is whisper unsolicited, try to pick the ladies up, sit and lurk, etc. If asked to leave they often wouldn't and the kick function did not always work. Sometimes we had to resort to finding a mod to come and make them leave.

I do know a few women who go into the men's room on occasion, and just about every one of them says when they enter the room, they ask if they can stay, and if anyone objects, they leave. Also women do not tend to act the same way with whispering and immediately asking the men what are they wearing, what are they into, who wants to fuck or go private. In other words, women are just more polite, at least than the guys who tended to crash the ladies room.

And as simplyjohn said, most of the guys don't mind the company of ladies. All that being said, i think if the men want their room to be male exclusive, they should have it. Perhaps you should start a survey in the Ask the Guys thred and see what the results are.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by adele

You are right in that it was discussed as a feature to be added to both the men's and ladies room. I am not sure why it wasn't, but I do have a theory. When guys were coming into the ladies room, they were often disruptive and tended to do what a lot of guys do in the other rooms, that is whisper unsolicited, try to pick the ladies up, sit and lurk, etc. If asked to leave they often wouldn't and the kick function did not always work. Sometimes we had to resort to finding a mod to come and make them leave.

I do know a few women who go into the men's room on occasion, and just about every one of them says when they enter the room, they ask if they can stay, and if anyone objects, they leave. Also women do not tend to act the same way with whispering and immediately asking the men what are they wearing, what are they into, who wants to fuck or go private. In other words, women are just more polite, at least than the guys who tended to crash the ladies room.

And as simplyjohn said, most of the guys don't mind the company of ladies. All that being said, i think if the men want their room to be male exclusive, they should have it. Perhaps you should start a survey in the Ask the Guys thred and see what the results are.

If I could start with the survey idea first, there is no point asking a bunch of straight guys if women should be allowed into a Men's Room, it would be like asking them if a stripper should take all her clothes off. From what I've seen a lot of guys who visit the chatroom don,t post in the forum, so it's highly unlikely to illicit a true sentiment.
I can't comment on the behaviour of men going into the Ladies Room but I suspect that you are right, equally I don't know how women act in the Men's Room because I would use it if one was in there. That is the whole crux of my arguement along with fairness. It is impossible to say how many guy or bi guys don't or won't go in the room because women are in or could come into the room, the point is there may be some.
You say that women tend to be more polite and in general I'd agree but in general men tend to complain less which is why the point hasn't been raised again.
The point that simplyjohn made that men don't mind the company of ladies is to be expected from a heterosexual male, I'm gay and I don't mind the company of women but not in the Men's Room if I want to talk to like minded guys.
You say that women ask the guys if it's ok to enter but what about the one's that arrive later who won,t go in and what is the criteria of the consensus, does she stay if a simple majority are ok with it?
In the interest of fairness the two rooms should have been treated the same.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by dpw
Hi Nicola, I was wondering if you could revisit this thread. I was just wondering why the change to the Men's Room never went ahead? As the original thread was in the feedback forum I thought it correct to ask here as it is already part of the discussion.

Here's the thing.

We have 1/4 million odd members. They all have their needs.

I work full-time, outside of this site, and have a limited amount of "free" time (evenings and weekends) to keep track of everything. We have around 60 volunteer moderators, who do a fantastic job of keeping on top of all the important issues and day to day running of the site.

There are 1.5 million forum posts. Do you think I have this one bookmarked?

I personally deal with hundreds of pms per week, as well as look at dozens of moderator forum posts, and scan the forums, in case we've missed any issues.

Those that make the most noise (or even send me a polite pm), are often given priority, because it's clear there's a pressing issue to deal with.

I have not had a single message from any male, requesting "The Men's Room" should be gender locked.

The opposite is true for the ladies only room.

With that in mind, I suggest you create a new poll (men only, who frequent "The Men's Room"), if they'd like the option to block out female members.

If the majority of guys who frequent that chat room wish for it to be men only, it can be made so.

I have several gay male friends, and we love a good natter. I would have thought that translated to the chat rooms as well (I know nothing about them to be frank).

So, please set up a new thread and a poll dpw, and this matter can be decided by the membership, as it usually is. icon_smile

1 Mar 2014

Quote by nicola

Here's the thing.

We have 1/4 million odd members. They all have their needs.

I work full-time, outside of this site, and have a limited amount of "free" time (evenings and weekends) to keep track of everything. We have around 60 volunteer moderators, who do a fantastic job of keeping on top of all the important issues and day to day running of the site.

There are 1.5 million forum posts. Do you think I have this one bookmarked?

I personally deal with hundreds of pms per week, as well as look at dozens of moderator forum posts, and scan the forums, in case we've missed any issues.

Those that make the most noise (or even send me a polite pm), are often given priority, because it's clear there's a pressing issue to deal with.

I have not had a single message from any male, requesting "The Men's Room" should be gender locked.

The opposite is true for the ladies only room.

With that in mind, I suggest you create a new poll (men only, who frequent "The Men's Room"), if they'd like the option to block out female members.

If the majority of guys who frequent that chat room wish for it to be men only, it can be made so.

I have several gay male friends, and we love a good natter. I would have thought that translated to the chat rooms as well (I know nothing about them to be frank).

So, please set up a new thread and a poll dpw, and this matter can be decided by the membership, as it usually is.

Thank you for your time, sorry to be a nuisance.

1 Mar 2014

If I may I think Adele’s suggestion of a survey (thread with a poll) reasonably assumed that the thread would be targeted and thus completed by the men who use the room. I appreciate that you may get members take the poll that do not use the room but you can only do your best to try and mitigate that via the opening post. If you do this perhaps you could encourage the men who do use the room to complete the poll by popping into the room occasionally and asking the room to participate by sending the link to everyone.

Another idea of course would be to setup your own room now that we have the ‘Restricted to’ option.

I am all for equality but fairness to me is different. With equality in mind we could in theory just apply the men only to the room and subsequently get complaints from those men who like the ladies company. From the fairness perspective lets say the poll reveals that more men want to continue to let the ladies in than do not; what then?.

One more thing I would like to say which is food for thought. I personally as a site chat room moderator have never been called to the Mens room to deal with a lady in that room for whatever reason. Furthermore in the time that the Report functions have been available to chat room members, the relevant one in this case being the Member Report, once again I have never seen a report from someone in that room complaining of a female presence.

edit - this was posted around the same time as Nicola's post hence some duplication on my part since I did not see Nicola's before hand.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by simplyjohn
If I may I think Adele’s suggestion of a survey (thread with a poll) reasonably assumed that the thread would be targeted and thus completed by the men who use the room. I appreciate that you may get members take the poll that do not use the room but you can only do your best to try and mitigate that via the opening post. If you do this perhaps you could encourage the men who do use the room to complete the poll by popping into the room occasionally and asking the room to participate by sending the link to everyone.

Another idea of course would be to setup your own room now that we have the ‘Restricted to’ option.

I am all for equality but fairness to me is different. With equality in mind we could in theory just apply the men only to the room and subsequently get complaints from those men who like the ladies company. From the fairness perspective lets say the poll reveals that more men want to continue to let the ladies in than do not; what then?.

One more thing I would like to say which is food for thought. I personally as a site chat room moderator have never been called to the Mens room to deal with a lady in that room for whatever reason. Furthermore in the time that the Report functions have been available to chat room members, the relevant one in this case being the Member Report, once again I have never seen a report from someone in that room complaining of a female presence.

edit - this was posted around the same time as Nicola's post hence some duplication on my part since I did not see Nicola's before hand.

What happens to the transexual guys and the crossdressers that identify themselves as female?

1 Mar 2014

Quote by dpw

Thank you for your time, sorry to be a nuisance.

No nuisance at all. Stop playing the martyr.

Ask the question with a poll attached, in a separate thread, job done.

If transexual guys and crossdressers identify themselves as female (rare in my experience the latter do), they should sign up here as such. Then there's no issue.

We can't set up permanent rooms for anyone and everyone, it's a pareto's law approach to keep most people happy, most of the time. Anyone can set up a custom room with all the little rules they want.

I get the feeling you'd rather this issue wasn't solved and you could nitpick some more. Please don't, it's getting tiresome. You have been given solutions, please take them and quit complaining.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by dpw

What happens to the transexual guys and the crossdressers that identify themselves as female?

As you know whilst there are 6 choices for the 'Orientation', transsexual is one of those but crossdressers is not (I have seen the latter suggested as an extra choice I think in this forum and the enhancement/ideas thread) in ones profile, there are only 2 for gender which can not be changed after the account is created.

If the room is restricted it will be based on the gender and not orientation.

In anticipation of your possible response I personally dont have a view! smile

1 Mar 2014

Quote by simplyjohn

As you know whilst there are 6 choices for the 'Orientation', transsexual is one of those but crossdressers is not (I have seen the latter suggested as an extra choice I think in this forum and the enhancement/ideas thread) in ones profile, there are only 2 for gender which can not be changed after the account is created.

If the room is restricted it will be based on the gender and not orientation.

In anticipation of your possible response I personally dont have a view!

Thanks, I did try to post a poll in the LGBT forum but it didn't take. Now I'm glad of that in view of this, it was a concern as I know that there are male cd's that identify as female and they use the room, in fact are regular visitors.
Ok, I'll either think about the wording or maybe even drop the idea. I wouldn't want to be the one to stop their enjoyment.
Thanks again.

1 Mar 2014

Why not add a choice button on the profile page so that people can choose who they will accept emails, online messages and chat requests from?

1. Men only
2. Women only
3. Men or women
4. No one

Then everybody can choose the level of interaction that is acceptable to them.

1 Mar 2014

Use an identifier and a alarm penis............... blah5

1 Mar 2014

Quote by Willyc2licu
Why not add a choice button on the profile page so that people can choose who they will accept emails, online messages and chat requests from?

1. Men only
2. Women only
3. Men or women
4. No one

Then everybody can choose the level of interaction that is acceptable to them.

If you wish to post that as a suggestion/improvement please do so in this thread ...

http://www.lushstories.com/forum/yaf_postst12279_Which-improvements-or-features-would-you-like-to-see-added.aspx

Thank you smile

1 Mar 2014

Quote by Sandrita48
Use an identifier and a alarm penis...............

Please see my post above to Willyc2licu.

However having read you biography I would wager you aren't serious smile

1 Mar 2014

Quote by simplyjohn

Please see my post above to.

However having read you biography I would wager you aren't serious .

Do I look serious? Noooooo

1 Mar 2014

Quote by dpw

If I could start with the survey idea first, there is no point asking a bunch of straight guys if women should be allowed into a Men's Room, it would be like asking them if a stripper should take all her clothes off. From what I've seen a lot of guys who visit the chatroom don,t post in the forum, so it's highly unlikely to illicit a true sentiment.
I can't comment on the behaviour of men going into the Ladies Room but I suspect that you are right, equally I don't know how women act in the Men's Room because I would use it if one was in there. That is the whole crux of my arguement along with fairness. It is impossible to say how many guy or bi guys don't or won't go in the room because women are in or could come into the room, the point is there may be some.
You say that women tend to be more polite and in general I'd agree but in general men tend to complain less which is why the point hasn't been raised again.
The point that simplyjohn made that men don't mind the company of ladies is to be expected from a heterosexual male, I'm gay and I don't mind the company of women but not in the Men's Room if I want to talk to like minded guys.
You say that women ask the guys if it's ok to enter but what about the one's that arrive later who won,t go in and what is the criteria of the consensus, does she stay if a simple majority are ok with it?
In the interest of fairness the two rooms should have been treated the same.

You do have some valid points, and I do agree with you, as I said. (I bet that there will be far fewer posers - ladies making male profiles to get in there - than there are men with female profiles here on Lush.) So I will make it official. Gav, in the interest of equality, the Men's room should have the same feature as the Ladies room, and be restricted to male only profiles.

One other point though that I don't agree with is that men don't complain as much as women. First, they have far less to complain about; and second, I've heard plenty of men complain that not enough women submit to their advances because they are bisexual or lesbians.

1 Mar 2014

Quote by Willyc2licu
Why not add a choice button on the profile page so that people can choose who they will accept emails, online messages and chat requests from?

1. Men only
2. Women only
3. Men or women
4. No one

Then everybody can choose the level of interaction that is acceptable to them.

This, and a block feature for individuals. Gender isn't binary.

=== Not ALL LIVES MATTER until BLACK LIVES MATTER ===

1 Mar 2014

Quote by BiMale73

This, and a block feature for individuals. Gender isn't binary.

Block feature for individual members..

Go Profile drop down list.. Settings .. Blocked ..

1 Mar 2014

OK Gav. I have another one for you, very small (but quite annoying)... should be easy. In the chat rooms, and I think private windows possibly, when you type the double quotation mark, it is preceded by a \. this started sometime last year after one of the upgrades. has to just be a typo somewhere in the code.`

1 Mar 2014

Quote by adele
So I will make it official. Gav, in the interest of equality, the Men's room should have the same feature as the Ladies room, and be restricted to male only profiles.

I'm sorry, who are you to determine what is set as policy here?

I have clearly stated, that once the opinions of MEN who frequent The MEN'S ROOM, are garnered in a poll, we will see if they actually want the room set to men only.

Until that time, it should remain open to all.

1 Mar 2014

Nonsense. I'm STEPHANIE a four year member. Look at my Avatar. (I'm a straight, Irish 51 year-old guy...)

You can't police that shit.

Grow up.

xx SF

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