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NOT an official stance, but... prospective poets, please read.

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Quote by trinket


Who suddenly made You an expert on poetry? You haven't even written one so you wouldn't know a good one from a bad one.



Actually I have written poems but I don't post them on Lush because it's Lush STORIES. The second sentence is so asinine that I don't even want to get into the reasons why because you wouldn't even understand.

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You don't like ANY of mine yet 2 of them have Recommended Reads, as do a lot of other poems on lush. A great many poems have EP's. Those aren't given out freely and it is not just the opinion of one mod either. Does that mean you don't know a good poem from a bad one? Or does it mean your EP's and RR's suck?



2 RRs out of the dozens of poems you've pooped out isn't a very good track record to be honest... And those are the opinion of one moderator. According to you the moderator that gave you those should be a poetry poster as well or else they don't mean anything.

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I've never hidden the fact I would be upset if the poetry category was canned but I don't post on the forums saying all stories or one particular category sucks. Don't readers want variety? If I had $1 for every time a reader told me they hadn't bothered reading poetry until they noticed one or two on the home page or elsewhere, I would be able to shout a few gold memberships. They are only the ones who have mentioned it.



I said 99% of the poems suck, not all of them. Two of the people I follow only post poems. I don't follow many people either. If you notice, those poets don't post all the time. They post only quality work.

Readers do want variety... That's why the people that run this site decided to de-clog the front page of endless generic poetry by making a specific tab for it. The only problem I see now is that the poets are going to be annoyed that the poetry tab is now clogged up by the poets that post crap everyday. That's why I believe that people should only post their very best one, once a month. Once a week at the most.

Also, that's not very many dollars trinket...and you're probably exaggerating to begin with.

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So if readers have to specifically look for the poetry my guess is it's going to bring the numbers down on the poetry.



But I thought the poets were saying that their poetry is about their creative expression not numbers...hmmmm. I guess this is why some of them post so many...hmmmm.

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It's evident a lot of members think poetry is easier to write than a story. A lot of people who say that have never tried writing a decent poem.



No, endless BAD poetry (and stories) to fish for comments and votes from friends is easier to write. There was a writer here before that used to post a story everyday too... Guess what? Those sucked also.

You seem to be caught up on, "only people that have published a poem know good poetry". I wish they would only let published poets vote and comment on poems. You guys would get even less attention and post less, even though it's supposedly about your creative expression LOL.

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It doesn't matter now anyway. It's been done.


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I actually agree, I love writing poetry and I only submit what I feel has substance. Some of the poetry I read on here is pretty juvenile and yet it gets great scores and comments. To each his own though...I'm not saying I'm a great writer, It's just my opinion.


It would be nice if more people would do this.

I have canned many stories that I feel just aren't any good. If I feel it is not as good as the last few things I have published I won't post it. Yeah, technically, it would get accepted and posted on the site. It would get views and votes but what is the point of that besides getting some kind of weird ego boost? It's lame.

The truth is that most of the poetry makes my penis yawn. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not good for a sex story site.
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It would be nice if more people would do this.

I have canned many stories that I feel just aren't any good. If I feel it is not as good as the last few things I have published I won't post it. Yeah, technically, it would get accepted and posted on the site. It would get views and votes but what is the point of that besides getting some kind of weird ego boost? It's lame.

The truth is that most of the poetry makes my penis yawn. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not good for a sex story site.



Your penis might yawn but some other people's penis might be erect and hard. I know you hate the daily posters of poems you think are garbage. I have to tell ya, I am not one to beg my friends to vote or score on any of my poems. I know some people don' t like them but I get many emails daily of people that are not my friends telling me how much they like them.

People actually tell me that they like them. They are simple to read. I know you say they are childish or juvenile but a lot of the other poems you need to pull out dictionaries to even find out what they are talking about.

I think what may be one man's garbage can be another man's treasure. That is why its a reader's decision what they like.
IF bad poetry is being posted, then shame on the mod. IF bad stories are being posted, then shame on the mod. IF one thinks poetry is garbage, then they haven't a clue. WHAT difference does it make now, if the site has already passed down the protocol. There are those who pleasure themselves buy getting off on crap and many of those people couldn't write a recipe. LET'S separated facts and truth. Poems have been around since the days of the unicorn. One wanker's snot will not doom the bards. I have fate in Lush hierarchy...REALLY I DO. It's starting to sound like a censorship thing as with the books being burned and libraries emptied. I will be stoned for even suggesting that something's never change among the rebel rousers. The very same one's who just like to spit venom. I can see both sides of the aisle and MIGHT I SUGGEST, "a look in the mirror."
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Your penis might yawn but some other people's penis might be erect and hard. I know you hate the daily posters of poems you think are garbage. I have to tell ya, I am not one to beg my friends to vote or score on any of my poems. I know some people don' t like them but I get many emails daily of people that are not my friends telling me how much they like them.

People actually tell me that they like them. They are simple to read. I know you say they are childish or juvenile but a lot of the other poems you need to pull out dictionaries to even find out what they are talking about.

I think what may be one man's garbage can be another man's treasure. That is why its a reader's decision what they like.


I went to your profile, scrolled down your list of poems and randomly clicked on two of them. I swear they were identical except one of them has words that rhyme with cock and the other has words that rhyme with dick. The comments you recieve on them, also interchangeable. Nothing specific or thought-out about them. Pure fluff.

Hickory dickery dock, come and suck my cock. <-- Poetry.
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It would be nice if more people would do this.

I have canned many stories that I feel just aren't any good. If I feel it is not as good as the last few things I have published I won't post it. Yeah, technically, it would get accepted and posted on the site. It would get views and votes but what is the point of that besides getting some kind of weird ego boost? It's lame.

The truth is that most of the poetry makes my penis yawn. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not good for a sex story site.


I don't have a penis, but other than that I agree.

When I first joined, it was a treat to stumble upon a well written poem by someone like Laura Lee Suga or Shylass, but now there is so much dross to wade through that I rarely even bother reading any poetry, even though I love (some of) it.

Haven't we all written poems for ourselves that probably shouldn't be read by anyone else? It's almost disrespectful to everyone else to post every fucking poem that comes out of your pen.

I am not aiming that at anyone who's posted in this thread BTW. Really and truly!
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I went to your profile, scrolled down your list of poems and randomly clicked on two of them. I swear they were identical except one of them has words that rhyme with cock and the other has words that rhyme with dick. The comments you recieve on them, also interchangeable. Nothing specific or thought out about them. Pure fluff.

Hickory dickery dock, come and suck my cock. <-- Poetry.




I have 2.7 Million views on my stories and poems. What do you have? Not nearly that.

Whatever floats your boat.

To each is own....

xo
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As a few have mentioned, this has drawn too much heat, unnecessarily.

We are going to change the site set up, so that stories only, will be loaded by default on the front page (this is a story site, the bias is being taken away, and that's not ok). Poems will have their own separate tab, so that those who wish to read only poetry, can click the link.

Members will be able to (coding time permitting) choose in their settings, which loads by default on the main page.

I can't think of a better solution. I do enjoy reading quality poetry, however there has to be a balance.


This seems as good a solution as could be had to a problem that seems to be blown out of proportion in Olympian quantities.
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I have 2.7 Million views on my stories and poems. What do you have? Not nearly that.

Whatever floats your boat.

To each is own....

xo


You also have a million poems... I can post a flash erotica story everyday and grind out a million views if I wanted to. It's not hard. It's just a waste of mine and everyone else's time.

You sound a bit thick, come and lick my dick. <-- Poetry.
Quote by Frank_Lee


This seems as good a solution as could be had to a problem that seems to be blown out of proportion in Olympian quantities.


I agree 100%.

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You also have a million poems... I can post a flash erotica story everyday and grind out a million views if I wanted to. It's not hard. It's just a waste of mine and everyone else's time.

You sound a bit thick, come and lick my dick. <-- Poetry.




I have an Omnium badge. I have written in 37 categories. Do you have that badge?

I didn't think so.

I'm not here to fight with you. Toodles...

xo
A solution's been discussed/reached.

Feel free to voice your concerns, but save the low blows or otherwise personal responses for private messages. Please and thanks.

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I went to your profile, scrolled down your list of poems and randomly clicked on two of them. I swear they were identical except one of them has words that rhyme with cock and the other has words that rhyme with dick. The comments you recieve on them, also interchangeable. Nothing specific or thought-out about them. Pure fluff.

Hickory dickery dock, come and suck my cock. <-- Poetry.


The self-important arrogance with which you've approached others in this conversation is beyond offensive, and ultimately negates the credibility of any argument that might've been slumbering beneath the surface of your naive diatribes. Like all the other sites Lush is so often compared with, this is an open writing site providing an outlet to amateurs and hobbyists, staffed by other amateurs and hobbyists. The work is most often roughly skilled in both fiction and poetry here. Obviously. It's not about being better or smarter than someone else. It's about entertainment and a bit of healthy social outreach. So dude, if you're going to go swimming in the ocean, you don't have any call to get pissed off because there are fish in the water.

If we could somehow unanimously determine the absolute worst poet or poem on Lush, could anyone please explain to me how they could possibly have done anyone any actual harm? The bulk of this conversation is ill-informed and soul destroying. Closing this thread would be a blessing, since with a viable solution at hand the point would appear moot.
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So dude, if you're going to go swimming in the ocean, you don't have any call to get pissed off because there are fish in the water.


Are you calling me a shark? That's Awesome. Thank you.
Congrats Felix, you've just insulted EVERY lush mod by saying 99% of the poems they have verified are garbage. Smooth move.

It might help sweeten some of your sourness if you go and write one of your crap poems and let it all out instead of spreading your hate on the forums. Hell, write one about me and you might feel happy for at LEAST an hour.
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Congrats Felix, you've just insulted EVERY lush mod by saying 99% of the poems they have verified are garbage. Smooth move.



Trinket, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of this website I think.

The mods don't verify according to quality of writing. They verify according to wether something technically meets the guidelines which include, length, grammar, age of characters, poem structure, story structure, etc.

In fact, it's you that have insulted their intelligence right now by trying to insinuate that I was aiming that at them.

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It might help sweeten some of your sourness if you go and write one of your crap poems and let it all out instead of spreading your hate on the forums. Hell, write one about me and you might feel happy for at LEAST an hour.



LOL I am not going to write a poem about you. You really need to get over this weird crush you have on me. My crap poems will stay in my crappy poem drawer.
We have split stories / poems on the front page now, via 2 tabs. The default is to load stories. There may be an option coming, to select poems on the home page in your settings. I'm awaiting confirmation.

There's a glitch at the moment where stories are leaking into the poetry section. That will be fixed up soon.