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----Original Message-----
"...I don't think erotica can support an entire novel by itself, but I think it can be a very effective element in larger works.
-- N
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This just begs the question: Why not?

Why do you think Erotica Can't support an Entire Novel?
-----Original Message-----
"... The main reason that erotica can't sustain an entire novel is the same reason that action or description or any other element can't sustain an entire novel. People want some buildup, they want rising tension and denouement and resolution and all those other fancy literary things. There has to be something more than just a related series of sex scenes. The sex scenes can be strung together like pearls on a necklace, but there still has to be a thread to hold it together."
-- N
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Ah, I think I understand.
-- You're saying: 'A string of sex scenes does not a novel make'. If so, then I agree.

Erotica is NOT defined by how many sex scenes a story has.

However, from what I can surmise, you see 'erotica' as merely "an element", something that decorates a story, and/or flavors it; rather like an exotic spice added to plain chicken soup, or frosting added to a cake.

This leads me to think that you build your stories first and then add erotic elements where they suit the storyline. Sex is the Results of your scenes, actions and character interactions. This also means that you could quite easily remove all the sex and still have a viable story.

That may make an erotic story -- but not Erotica.

"If you can remove the Erotic from your Fiction in your Erotic Fiction, and still have a viable story in another genre,
you did it WRONG."
-- Edo Von Belkom

To make Erotica, the "erotic" should be the thread that holds the pearls of action, setting, and character together. Rather than being the Result of action, setting, and character, it should be the Motivation, the WHY all those actions, settings, and characters happen. In Erotica, Sex is the driving force that makes the story happen -- not something tossed in as flavoring.

Don't add Sex Scenes to the story. Add Story to make the sex scenes happen.

Sex & Plot
People talk about 'forwarding the plot' or 'intrinsic to the plot', but not a whole lot of people talk about what those actually mean.

* "Forwarding the plot" means: Motivational Force: nothing happens without this reason to push events into happening.
* "Intrinsic to the plot" means: Important Element: the story needs this to fulfill its plot.

The statue 'The Maltese Falcon' is intrinsic to that story's plot. It is absolutely necessary to fulfill that story, but it's not what makes the plot happen. You could pull out that statue and replace it with just about any other object and the story wouldn't even flinch. (The interchangeable object is commonly known as a macguffin.)

However, the pursuit of this object is what forwards the plot -- not the object itself.

An element 'Intrinsic to the plot' can be REPLACED.
Something that 'Forwards the Plot' can NOT
.

This is why I say: A story with sex in it is Erotic -- but not Erotica.

It's not just Sex. It's what the Sex Does.

If you can take out your sex scenes and replace them with another action, such as a single kiss or even an act of violence - it's 'intrinsic to the plot', but not something that 'forwards the plot'.

For example, if we make the Maltese Falcon a Maltese Dildo and every single person in possession of said object has sex with it, the story become erotic, but it still wouldn't be Erotica.

Why not?

Because Pursuit of the object is still the motivational factor. The plot would not actually need to change. In fact, you can still leave out the sex completely with no harm to the story's plotline what-so-ever.

On the other hand, if we CHANGE the Motivational Factor to "the Pursuit of the Ultimate Sexual Experience" with this object as the key to said experience, then the plot Would change, and so would ALL of the main characters -- into nymphomaniacs.

With this one shift, SEX suddenly becomes the Reason to chase the Maltese Dildo. In addition, the main characters would have to have sex at least once to discover that the object was the key to the "ultimate sexual experience", instantly making Sex Scenes absolutely necessary for the plot to move forward -- making the story Erotica.

You can STILL swap out the Maltese Dildo with any other object your heart desires, but as long as the reason you want it remains SEX it's Erotica -- even if the sex is offstage!

In Conclusion...
Coming up with a viable reason to make sex important to a story's plot can be a tough challenge. Most stories tend to be goal-driven toward an accomplishment (save the world, save my family, escape the bad-guys...) or toward a prize, (if I do this I get the kingdom, I get the girl, I get the Maltese Falcon...)

Making sex part of a story's plot is MUCH harder. An easy way is to make sex necessary to get to their goal. However, the Best way is by making Sex the CAUSE or the RESULT of everything that happens in the story.

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DISCLAIMER: As with all advice, take what you can use and throw out the rest. As a multi-published author, I have been taught some fairly rigid rules on what is publishable and what is not. If my rather straight-laced (and occasionally snotty,) advice does not suit your creative style, by all means, IGNORE IT.
Morgan Hawke
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Purveyor of fine Smut.
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Very well-said on all counts.

Quote by MorganHawke

Making sex part of a story's plot is MUCH harder. An easy way is to make sex necessary to get to their goal. However, the Best way is by making Sex the CAUSE or the RESULT of everything that happens in the story.


Agreed, agreed, 1,000 times agreed. I rather like the approach of making sex necessary to reach the goal. One of my own books is pretty much a non-stop sex-fest. If I recall correctly, it's something like 4 sex scenes for every 1 non-sex scene. But every scene is necessary for the main character to reach the other end of her character arc, which is getting from "sexually-frustrated with no clue how to change it" to "confident enough to know what she wants and get what she wants." Each sex scene is a step away from her shy, naive self and toward her bolder, more confident self. There was simply no other way to show that journey. Similarly, I have another book in which sex scenes (progressively more intense kink scenes, specifically) are used to help a woman past previous trauma. She's a survivor who wants to reclaim her sexuality from the traumatic past experience, and in her situation, having a trusted male friend ease her back into sex is the way to go.

So...yeah. Sex as a means to reach a goal works.
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Agreed, agreed, 1,000 times agreed. I rather like the approach of making sex necessary to reach the goal. One of my own books is pretty much a non-stop sex-fest. If I recall correctly, it's something like 4 sex scenes for every 1 non-sex scene. But every scene is necessary for the main character to reach the other end of her character arc, which is getting from "sexually-frustrated with no clue how to change it" to "confident enough to know what she wants and get what she wants." Each sex scene is a step away from her shy, naive self and toward her bolder, more confident self. There was simply no other way to show that journey.


In this one, sex is not only the Goal but the Cause, the Reason why the story happened. BECAUSE she didn't have the confidence to get the SEX she wanted, she embarked on a journey that Also helped her grow as a person. So, in this case, Sex did Triple-duty in your story.

Quote by GallagherWitt
Similarly, I have another book in which sex scenes (progressively more intense kink scenes, specifically) are used to help a woman past previous trauma. She's a survivor who wants to reclaim her sexuality from the traumatic past experience, and in her situation, having a trusted male friend ease her back into sex is the way to go.


Again, Sex isn't merely the Goal but the Cause behind everything that happens in your story.

Quote by GallagherWitt
So...yeah. Sex as a means to reach a goal works.


Absolutely!
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Agreed, agreed, 1,000 times agreed. I rather like the approach of making sex necessary to reach the goal. One of my own books is pretty much a non-stop sex-fest. If I recall correctly, it's something like 4 sex scenes for every 1 non-sex scene. But every scene is necessary for the main character to reach the other end of her character arc, which is getting from "sexually-frustrated with no clue how to change it" to "confident enough to know what she wants and get what she wants." Each sex scene is a step away from her shy, naive self and toward her bolder, more confident self. There was simply no other way to show that journey.


In this one, sex is not only the Goal but the Cause, the Reason why the story happened. BECAUSE she didn't have the confidence to get the SEX she wanted, she embarked on a journey that Also helped her grow as a person. So, in this case, Sex did Triple-duty in your story.


Ahh, good point. Triple-duty sex...I like that. biggrin

Again, Sex isn't merely the Goal but the Cause behind everything that happens in your story.


Kinda sounds like life in general...*snerk*
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Ahh, good point. Triple-duty sex...I like that. biggrin

You're a damned fine writer. OF COURSE the sex in your erotic stories is going to have more than one function. You're nothing of not Thorough.

Quote by GallagherWitt
Again, Sex isn't merely the Goal but the Cause behind everything that happens in your story.

Kinda sounds like life in general...*snerk*


The kind of life "I" enjoy, definitely.
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Ahh, good point. Triple-duty sex...I like that. biggrin

You're a damned fine writer. OF COURSE the sex in your erotic stories is going to have more than one function. You're nothing of not Thorough.


Coming from you, that's an awesome compliment, and I am currently pasting it into my Ego Band-aids file. WHAT? I know, I'm pathetic...lol



The kind of life "I" enjoy, definitely.



AAAAAAMEN. :D
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Coming from you, that's an awesome compliment, and I am currently pasting it into my Ego Band-aids file. WHAT? I know, I'm pathetic...lol


It wasn't a compliment. It was the Truth.

Ego Band-aids file...? Oooo... I need one of those too!
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
Coming from you, that's an awesome compliment, and I am currently pasting it into my Ego Band-aids file. WHAT? I know, I'm pathetic...lol


It wasn't a compliment. It was the Truth.


Thank you. smile

Ego Band-aids file...? Oooo... I need one of those too!


They're quite nice!! I mean, it sounds kinda silly, but they REALLY are nice to have around on those "OMG I suck" days.
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
They're quite nice!! I mean, it sounds kinda silly, but they REALLY are nice to have around on those "OMG I suck" days.


I get those too, and they're crushing. They can freeze all my work up really bad. It's frustrating.
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
They're quite nice!! I mean, it sounds kinda silly, but they REALLY are nice to have around on those "OMG I suck" days.


I get those too, and they're crushing. They can freeze all my work up really bad. It's frustrating.


YES. They're awful. I know some people get them as a result of negative reviews, rejections, etc., and once in a while I do, but usually it's just a moment of "No, really, I suck" for no apparent reason. The Band-aids help. biggrin
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
YES. They're awful. I know some people get them as a result of negative reviews, rejections, etc., and once in a while I do, but usually it's just a moment of "No, really, I suck" for no apparent reason. The Band-aids help. biggrin


I get the 'I suck for no apparent reason' ones myself. Those are frikken hard to deal with.
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
YES. They're awful. I know some people get them as a result of negative reviews, rejections, etc., and once in a while I do, but usually it's just a moment of "No, really, I suck" for no apparent reason. The Band-aids help. biggrin


I get the 'I suck for no apparent reason' ones myself. Those are frikken hard to deal with.


Those are evil. They are the main reason for my Ego Band-Aids. I've been told it's stupid to have it now that I have a writing career, but honestly? I think I need it more now than I did as a beginner. lol
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
"I suck for no apparent reason..."
Those are evil. They are the main reason for my Ego Band-Aids. I've been told it's stupid to have it now that I have a writing career, but honestly? I think I need it more now than I did as a beginner. lol


It's not stupid at all. I swear that my ego has developed major fractures since I became semi-popular. I worry a lot more than I did when I was just tossing stuff up at whim.
Morgan Hawke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Purveyor of fine Smut.
Morgan Hawke's DarkErotica ~ My Website
DarkErotica Blog ~ My Writers' blog

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
Quote by MorganHawke
Quote by GallagherWitt
"I suck for no apparent reason..."
Those are evil. They are the main reason for my Ego Band-Aids. I've been told it's stupid to have it now that I have a writing career, but honestly? I think I need it more now than I did as a beginner. lol


It's not stupid at all. I swear that my ego has developed major fractures since I became semi-popular. I worry a lot more than I did when I was just tossing stuff up at whim.


Man, isn't that the truth...
Lori
L. A. Witt (gay male erotic romance)
Lauren Gallagher (heterosexual erotic romance)
Twitter: GallagherWitt
My Website * My Blog * Marginally Unhinged (my webcomic)

"Service with a Smirk, that's you." - Morgan Hawke