Have you come out to family/parents?

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

Yeah, not like new members feeling like they can't post because there's a particular complete and utter fucking asshole who repeatedly goes into threads, usually when he's drunk and/or stoned, and calls other people offensive names.

Oh my God trinket I was defending you from that other person calling you a bully and you act all mean again. Now I see what she meant.

Rude.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by Magical_felix

Oh my God trinket I was defending you from that other person calling you a bully and you act all mean again. Now I see what she meant.

Rude.

I only saw one person call me a bully, and who said I was talking about you?

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

I only saw one person call me a bully, and who said I was talking about you?

I know, I saw her call you a bully too! That's why I was like hey hey, leave trinket alone, she isn't intimidating new members! She's just saying, guys!

I don't know what you mean by the "who said I was talking about you?" part of what you said.. I was just saying, jeez, you're making it hard to defend you when you are all mean!

10 Dec 2013

Quote by SummerKiss

Can you believe on the second day here I had people warning me and giving me examples of how you have to be careful about what you post and who you talk too
I tend to make my own opinions of course just like in real life :) I am sure there's A LOT I haven't seen but the links that was shared with me showed bullies and people being attacked.
I figured it should be a fun place and relaxing for all ...don't you agree? Shouldn't lush be fun and informative? Or do you think this is a place for people to be scared to share their opinions or curiosity?
I just think its silly for adults to thrive on negativity and rude manners or childish drama :) hopefully you will agree and be someone who can make lush fun too for us newbies:)

Lush is like life, just approach to it is a wee different. In life, as here, we talk to people and people respond to us. It is called comunication, sometimes we like what others are saying sometimes we cannot deal with it, but in no case we can stop people to respond to us. You, JohnC, I and all of other Lushies have the right to oppinion and you, JohnC and I have the same right to dissagree with them. Right?

Here and in life people tend to push their own will to others, and it happened to you when you were warned. Lush is place for fun, and it will give you what you need or want, however you cannot stop people of expressing themselves. Lush will give you whatever ilusion you want to create for yourself, and if you want everything on high manners level, you will avoid certain parts of forum and hang out with people that will give you that, but in no way you can ask for perfect comunity of over 200.000 people, perfect in your eyes that is, because perfect for me is something else.

welcome to Lush, hopefully you will stick around.TCDtaYmPSwVDZmJ4

10 Dec 2013

Quote by sprite
straight people have no need to come out. it's assumed that you're straight unless you make a point of coming out. i mean, seriously, how many of you grew up with your parent's thinking that you're gay and then, one day, surprised them at the dinner table with "mom? dad? i'm seeing someone of the opposite sex?"

like anything else, you may empathize with gay people, but you'll never quite know what it feels like to be gay just like i have a good idea of what it is like to be black, but i will never experience it and so can only empathize. there are things that hurt, that prick, that remind us that we are a minority that you just don't see or hear or feel in the same way. that's understandable, but please, don't tell me that it's not a big thing to come out to family and friends, because you're dead wrong.

It is most probably just me, but I read this as I have to be apologising because am not gay. Unfortunately, there are dark clouds above gay people, I personaly blame institution of religion for it. However, if you think about it, being gay in physical, reproductive way is out of ordenary and people in general don't do well with out of ordenary, unfortunately.
I don't know how it is to be gay, but I believe that every each of us has something out of ordenary that was needed to be said to family. I, for instance, have told them that I don't want children, will not have them and will not be married, specially not in white dress with all the fuss around it. This was my personal comming out to my parents, you have something else, that is who you have sex with and luckaly for you, you are not the only one who feels attraction to the same gender, so you can if you want to have feeling that you belong somevhere, even though that is being gay.
I don't know how it feels to be black, however, I traveled enough that I know that being white is same as being black.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by Magical_felix

Oh I see, I just read that thread. One could say Trinket does bully people a lot in that thread. Or you can say that it's funny how she attacks everyone. I think it's funny for sure. Without trinket's bullying, that thread would have gotten like 7 generic replies and it would have just been another boring thread. I really don't think any new members will feel they can't post because trinket is such a battle axe, I think they will just find it amusing and more interesting.

I'd like to add Felix, that with your comment above, you did exactly what Summerkiss is telling you she was warned about. looking at that one thread, and pointing out how 'I' am supposedly a bully etc... when there were plenty of people on that thread who agreed with me and debated the topic as much as I did yet you singled me out so you could once again insult me on an open forum, without provocation. So you see, it does happen. You also brought me into a thread that up until you mentioned my name, had nothing to do with me. Thanks for the perfect example.

10 Dec 2013

Jack, below I have copied and posted every insult you threw at various people on this thread. What makes you so special that you can call people rude and derogatory names, tell them how stupid they are, compare them to hitler, twist people's words to say something they didn't mean, drag other people into a thread that has nothing to do with them.

EVERY person on any lush forum is entitled to their own opinion without having you throwing insult after insult at them because YOU don't agree with their opinion. Who died and made you the judge of all things forum? Just go through and read the things you've said to people on this thread, including myself. yes I'll admit i threw a couple of rude bombs at you too but you started it. Why is it essential that you be so rude to people and tear their opinions to shreds?

I used to try to refrain from calling you names also, but nobody ever tells you to quit your filthy insults to people so why should I refrain either and you've called me some awful names on these forums and I've kept a record of every one of them. Do you want me to give you a list of all the people that think you are a bully? That think you're rude? That think you spoil the fun of the forums? I can, absolutely. it might take me a year to write them all though.

I wonder if Lush has any idea of just how much you have spoiled the forums for so many people. They should have, enough people have told them so. So in one thread, you said ALL of the rude and insulting things to the other posters on this thread. Congratulations, you win the award for Lush's biggest loser. ok come on, now it's your turn to insult the fuck out of me again if it makes you feel better.

Now, let's see how long it takes someone to berate ME for insulting one person..., the same person who once called me A "stanky woman slut" among other things. What gives me the right to say all this to you? I gained the right the second you called me a "stanky woman slut" and my complaints fell on deaf ears.

let's see if this post or the whole thread gets deleted quickly because of what I've said.... none of the insults from you that I complained about ever got deleted, not one of them.

Here are a selection of your pearls of wisdom.

This kind of answer doesn't surprise me coming form someone who is also a slut shamer...

Why is that? Why isn't there a need to come out? Because all gays are flaming as fuck and it's obvious?

Really? Try this experiment. Come out as gay to everyone you know and then let me know 6 months later if no one really cared. What an idiot.

This is like saying racism doesn't exist and it's just black/muslims/hispanics/asians making shit up and dwelling on shit. How fucking ignorant. I hope to live long enough to see this kind of stupidity die off eventually and if I have a gay son or daughter one day, they wont have to deal with people like this saying that it's gays themselves causing problems for other gays.

I have stupid friends so I'm cool with stupid people. No disrespect meant. Don't go crying and tattling on me now. Be a big boy.

You seem too dense to understand what I was saying. It's over your head and that is fine.

And to be honest... I do tell people they are stupid offline as well. Not because I can, because I need to. I like to too though, don't get me wrong. It feels good to not stay silent.

I fear for all of you if you are this sensitive online. Makes me think you are doormats in person.

What you said in your previous posts is ignorant and stupid. Those are the proper words to use. Why would I say something else than what your thoughts are? You would rather me say they are lacking understanding? What is the difference except being disingenuous and cowardly by choosing different words? It means the same thing no matter how I say it.

Why don't you explain some of the shit you said. Like when you said there is no need for coming out and that gays tend to make more of their sexual preference than others. You know why it seems that way to you? because you are prejudiced. You sound like someone that would say "I hate when gays throw their gayness in your face" when you see two girls holding hands or two boys kissing. Your excuse for your way of thinking being okay because of what part of the country you are from is ridiculous as well. There are bigots were I am from a too but I am not one... Gee how did that happen. People choose to be bigots.

Then why are you answering me and going out of your way to tell me you don't care... That makes no sense. You and the other bigot above you answer nothing to do with the topic. You are just focusing on me. Not anything else. That is funny since you don't care what I think.

The image of you filing your nails and listening to classical music while pretending to not get upset on the internet is funny by the way. What a scene. laughing8

Yes it does actually, because by doing this you avoid explaining the dumbass things you said by focusing on me. (in an indirect and cowardly way)

Because you knew that what you were saying was stupid and you anticipated people saying so.

Hitler's friends thought he wasn't a bad guy either... It's an irrelevant statement.

It may seem like I "bait" you because my replies to you question the ridiculous things you say. It makes you embarrassed and it stays in your mind making it seem like it happens more often than it does.

Just by admitting I have "baited" you before is like comparing yourself to a dumb animal by the way, just saying.

Oh I see, I just read that thread. One could say Trinket does bully people a lot in that thread. Or you can say that it's funny how she attacks everyone. I think it's funny for sure. Without trinket's bullying, that thread would have gotten like 7 generic replies and it would have just been another boring thread. I really don't think any new members will feel they can't post because trinket is such a battle axe, I think they will just find it amusing and more interesting.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by SummerKiss
...I am new here but I do READ and it seems there's a pattern of a select few who target others and turns a good topic into their own vindictive openings to bash on someone they don't like. That makes it very hard for new people to feel comfortable in making posts or threads.
Hopefully the few "bullies" will be told to calm it down so others can enjoy LUSH.

*And no I am not pointing fingers or talking about one person I mean in a whole, I saw in other threads that this has happen before.

I really wish I could disagree with you here, but your point has been proven repeatedly in my opinion.

10 Dec 2013

i think i just got a brainerysm from reading the 3rd page. :B

so what's going on now? felix came out and trinket was a bully about it? too lazy to read the rest. geek

10 Dec 2013

Quote by pricklypear
i think i just got a brainerysm from reading the 3rd page. :B

so what's going on now? felix came out and trinket was a bully about it? too lazy to read the rest.

I was in the Coming Out thread before it hit the wormhole and spiralled to who knows where?
I don't know if it's died out or bubbling up for a final explosion.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket
Jack, below I have copied and posted every insult you threw at various people on this thread. What makes you so special that you can call people rude and derogatory names, tell them how stupid they are, compare them to hitler, twist people's words to say something they didn't mean, drag other people into a thread that has nothing to do with them.

EVERY person on any lush forum is entitled to their own opinion without having you throwing insult after insult at them because YOU don't agree with their opinion. Who died and made you the judge of all things forum? Just go through and read the things you've said to people on this thread, including myself. yes I'll admit i threw a couple of rude bombs at you too but you started it. Why is it essential that you be so rude to people and tear their opinions to shreds?

I used to try to refrain from calling you names also, but nobody ever tells you to quit your filthy insults to people so why should I refrain either and you've called me some awful names on these forums and I've kept a record of every one of them. Do you want me to give you a list of all the people that think you are a bully? That think you're rude? That think you spoil the fun of the forums? I can, absolutely. it might take me a year to write them all though.

I wonder if Lush has any idea of just how much you have spoiled the forums for so many people. They should have, enough people have told them so. So in one thread, you said ALL of the rude and insulting things to the other posters on this thread. Congratulations, you win the award for Lush's biggest loser. ok come on, now it's your turn to insult the fuck out of me again if it makes you feel better.

Now, let's see how long it takes someone to berate ME for insulting one person..., the same person who once called me A "stanky woman slut" among other things. What gives me the right to say all this to you? I gained the right the second you called me a "stanky woman slut" and my complaints fell on deaf ears.

let's see if this post or the whole thread gets deleted quickly because of what I've said.... none of the insults from you that I complained about ever got deleted, not one of them.

Here are a selection of your pearls of wisdom.

This kind of answer doesn't surprise me coming form someone who is also a slut shamer...

Why is that? Why isn't there a need to come out? Because all gays are flaming as fuck and it's obvious?

Really? Try this experiment. Come out as gay to everyone you know and then let me know 6 months later if no one really cared. What an idiot.

This is like saying racism doesn't exist and it's just black/muslims/hispanics/asians making shit up and dwelling on shit. How fucking ignorant. I hope to live long enough to see this kind of stupidity die off eventually and if I have a gay son or daughter one day, they wont have to deal with people like this saying that it's gays themselves causing problems for other gays.

I have stupid friends so I'm cool with stupid people. No disrespect meant. Don't go crying and tattling on me now. Be a big boy.

You seem too dense to understand what I was saying. It's over your head and that is fine.

And to be honest... I do tell people they are stupid offline as well. Not because I can, because I need to. I like to too though, don't get me wrong. It feels good to not stay silent.

I fear for all of you if you are this sensitive online. Makes me think you are doormats in person.

What you said in your previous posts is ignorant and stupid. Those are the proper words to use. Why would I say something else than what your thoughts are? You would rather me say they are lacking understanding? What is the difference except being disingenuous and cowardly by choosing different words? It means the same thing no matter how I say it.

Why don't you explain some of the shit you said. Like when you said there is no need for coming out and that gays tend to make more of their sexual preference than others. You know why it seems that way to you? because you are prejudiced. You sound like someone that would say "I hate when gays throw their gayness in your face" when you see two girls holding hands or two boys kissing. Your excuse for your way of thinking being okay because of what part of the country you are from is ridiculous as well. There are bigots were I am from a too but I am not one... Gee how did that happen. People choose to be bigots.

Then why are you answering me and going out of your way to tell me you don't care... That makes no sense. You and the other bigot above you answer nothing to do with the topic. You are just focusing on me. Not anything else. That is funny since you don't care what I think.

The image of you filing your nails and listening to classical music while pretending to not get upset on the internet is funny by the way. What a scene. laughing8

Yes it does actually, because by doing this you avoid explaining the dumbass things you said by focusing on me. (in an indirect and cowardly way)

Because you knew that what you were saying was stupid and you anticipated people saying so.

Hitler's friends thought he wasn't a bad guy either... It's an irrelevant statement.

It may seem like I "bait" you because my replies to you question the ridiculous things you say. It makes you embarrassed and it stays in your mind making it seem like it happens more often than it does.

Just by admitting I have "baited" you before is like comparing yourself to a dumb animal by the way, just saying.

Oh I see, I just read that thread. One could say Trinket does bully people a lot in that thread. Or you can say that it's funny how she attacks everyone. I think it's funny for sure. Without trinket's bullying, that thread would have gotten like 7 generic replies and it would have just been another boring thread. I really don't think any new members will feel they can't post because trinket is such a battle axe, I think they will just find it amusing and more interesting.

Great Job Trinket. I do not know this magical cat at all, but I have seen his comments enough to be fairly certain that he is over compensating for something in his real life...

My Stories

No Ordinary Gal

Fucked and Taken

That Special Evening

10 Dec 2013

Back to the orginial question... Just for fun.

I didn't so much come out as I was accidently outted by a friend. My parents found out through family friends before i even got home, but it was no big deal to them. Most of my family were good with it, the rest don't really matter to me.

10 Dec 2013

He may be just a touch heart broken... Perhaps he had to dump someone else so he could have a serious relationship, or perhaps his serious girlfriend set him on the curb recently? We all have feelings... maybe we should offer him a hug and some freshened up litter for his box.

Quote by curious3045
Great Job Trinket. I do not know this magical cat at all, but I have seen his comments enough to be fairly certain that he is over compensating for something in his real life...

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

10 Dec 2013

whoa!!!

I am getting quite sick and tired of someone bickering

to quote someone ...

Quote by slipperywhenwet2012
This shouldn't have to be said in multiple threads throughout the site: If you have a personal issue with someone, take it up in private.

good grief .... give it fucking up already

coffee

10 Dec 2013

Quote by PersonalAssistant

good grief .... give it fucking up already

Spoil sport, although I think it'll fall on deaf ears when puss awakes!
kekekegay

10 Dec 2013

Quote by WellMadeMale
He may be just a touch heart broken... Perhaps he had to dump someone else so he could have a serious relationship, or perhaps his serious girlfriend set him on the curb recently? We all have feelings... maybe we should offer him a hug and some freshened up litter for his box.

Thank you. A little compassion people?

We're all part of one race- the human race. We need each other, you guys. Come on, group hug.
Hugs

10 Dec 2013

Quote by LadyX

Thank you. A little compassion people?

We're all part of one race- the human race. We need each other, you guys. Come on, group hug.

If I'm group hugging I want to be between two guys or I'm not playing!
3some

10 Dec 2013

*locks hands with everyone and begins chorus of Kumbaya* Boo hoo!

░P░U░S░S░Y░ ░I░N░ ░B░I░O░

10 Dec 2013

You can hug any of the guys you want as long as I can be between lady x and Raq!

ETA: and slippery too!

10 Dec 2013

Quote by LadyX

Thank you. A little compassion people?

We're all part of one race- the human race. We need each other, you guys. Come on, group hug.

What you said is true, I totally agree with you, however where was everyone sticking up for me or anyone else when they were being trolled by him., everyone just sat back and watched. I've never had any one person tell him to shut it when I've been attacked by him on a thread.

Why is it different now the tables are turned? It's obvious i'm not the only one who is tired of the bullshit , not being given enough respect to give our own opinions without having someone call us names and/or dissect our opinions to prove our opinion WRONG,, usually targeting the same people over and over again.

Personal Assistant quoted slippery's forum post, AGAIN. Why is that?

10 Dec 2013

Quote by naughtynurse
You can hug any of the guys you want as long as I can be between lady x and Raq!

ETA: and slippery too!

Sure, you can have one side of the LadyX, I'll squeeze on the other side and maybe we can convince her not to be so much of a Lady 2407_group_hug

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

EVERY person on any lush forum is entitled to their own opinion

The stuff you bolded were my opinions.

Quote by trinket
Just go through and read the things you've said to people on this thread, including myself.

Quote by trinket
yes I'll admit i threw a couple of rude bombs at you too

So then why are you crying?

Quote by trinket
Do you want me to give you a list of all the people that think you are a bully? That think you're rude? That think you spoil the fun of the forums? I can, absolutely.

Oh my god, yes. That would be the best!

Quote by trinket

I wonder if Lush has any idea of just how much you have spoiled the forums for so many people. They should have, enough people have told them so.

You guys cry wolf too often probably.

Quote by trinket

Now, let's see how long it takes someone to berate ME for insulting one person..., the same person who once called me A "stanky woman slut" among other things. What gives me the right to say all this to you? I gained the right the second you called me a "stanky woman slut" and my complaints fell on deaf ears.

Quote by trinket

let's see if this post or the whole thread gets deleted quickly because of what I've said.... none of the insults from you that I complained about ever got deleted, not one of them.

Again, probably because you cry wolf all the time. Plus I was defending you when that other person was blaming you for bullying in that other thread.

Quote by magical_felix

I really don't think any new members will feel they can't post because trinket is such a battle axe, I think they will just find it amusing and more interesting.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

What you said is true, I totally agree with you, however where was everyone sticking up for me or anyone else when they were being trolled by him., everyone just sat back and watched. I've never had any one person tell him to shut it when I've been attacked by him on a thread.

Why is it different now the tables are turned? It's obvious i'm not the only one who is tired of the bullshit , not being given enough respect to give our own opinions without having someone call us names and/or dissect our opinions to prove our opinion WRONG,, usually targeting the same people over and over again.

Personal Assistant quoted slippery's forum post, AGAIN. Why is that?

I can solve none of these issues, nor am I giving further credence to an internet slap-fight. I don't care who's wrong, the whole thing is a beating. I like you both, but let's all be real here: the chances of me (or anyone) wading in and bringing this to a good resolution are roughly that of winning a winter land war in Asia. So let's all have a drink, shall we? 3601

10 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

The fact that I'm gay isn't what defines me, it is incidental. There's a lot more to me than what sex I sleep with.
I don't understand the need to put gayness at the top of the agenda, it's as though they want a negative reaction.
As I said there are some gay guys, I don't pretend to know about lesbians, who feel the need to push the fact that they're gay into every conversation. So what we're gay! what makes you think that everybody cares?

Quote by dpw

If I'm group hugging I want to be between two guys or I'm not playing!

^^^ see, you do it too.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by WellMadeMale
He may be just a touch heart broken... Perhaps he had to dump someone else so he could have a serious relationship, or perhaps his serious girlfriend set him on the curb recently? We all have feelings... maybe we should offer him a hug and some freshened up litter for his box.

I saw gravity and I really liked it... I got a new respect for sandra bullock that I didn't have before and saw that gif with that quote I found insightful... The quote can be about anything...

I didn't answer your PM you sent me where you were screaming about being annoyed that I had a white girlfriend and how I don't need to mention that. That was an example I used in a thread to illustrate a point of instances where people think you are shoving something down their throats. Like interracial relationships. I was empathizing in a way of what it must feel like (to a lesser degree) when a gay person brings their boyfriend or girlfriend home to their family. Sometimes parents are like, "here we go... Madison is bringing her boyfriend Juanito home for christmas. Why does she always have to ruin the holidays!"

10 Dec 2013

Quote by LadyX

I can solve none of these issues, nor am I giving further credence to an internet slap-fight. I don't care who's wrong, the whole thing is a beating. I like you both, but let's all be real here: the chances of me (or anyone) wading in and bringing this to a good resolution are roughly that of winning a winter land war in Asia. So let's all have a drink, shall we?

Here is my point again, With all due respect LadyX, I have never seen a mod or anyone intervene when it was the other way around, but as soon as someone jacks up about how rude he is, oh lets all have some compassion, lets sing kumbaya. NOBODY did that for me and there were plenty of times i asked a mod for help during the middle of a tirade from Felix and was given none, even though i was being called filthy names.

What ever happened to respect? What ever happened to having some manners and letting people post without being harassed by someone who gets away with it time after time after time.

I'm done, I can't say anymore on the subject. i've had it, and so have a lot of other people. they keep telling you but nobody does anything.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by Magical_felix

I saw gravity and I really liked it... I got a new respect for sandra bullock that I didn't have before and saw that gif with that quote I found insightful... The quote can be about anything...

I didn't answer your PM you sent me where you were screaming about being annoyed that I had a white girlfriend and how I don't need to mention that. That was an example I used in a thread to illustrate a point of instances where people think you are shoving something down their throats. Like interracial relationships. I was empathizing in a way of what it must feel like (to a lesser degree) when a gay person brings their boyfriend or girlfriend home to their family. Sometimes parents are like, "here we go... Madison is bringing her boyfriend Juanito home for christmas. Why does she always have to ruin the holidays!"

You would always be welcome in my house, Juanito. We're here to heal the hurt.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by LadyX

You would always be welcome in my house, Juanito. We're here to heal the hurt.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

Here is my point again, With all due respect LadyX, I have never seen a mod or anyone intervene when it was the other way around, but as soon as someone jacks up about how rude he is, oh lets all have some compassion, lets sing kumbaya. NOBODY did that for me and there were plenty of times i asked a mod for help during the middle of a tirade from Felix and was given none, even though i was being called filthy names.

What ever happened to respect? What ever happened to having some manners and letting people post without being harassed by someone who gets away with it time after time after time.

I'm done, I can't say anymore on the subject. i've had it, and so have a lot of other people. they keep telling you but nobody does anything.

All who never front any attitude, get a little extra edgy, throw a little too much snark, hit a little too hard, or lob one sarcastic post too many please step forward. We've all done it, Trinket, and then when people retaliate we aren't victims because of it. The more it escalates the less anyone is victimized and the more everyone rolls their eyes that "it" is happening again. It's old. Aren't you tired of trying to sort out petty fights and prove that you're right? None of this even matters. Yes, people complain about him. People complain about you, too. People bitch and moan about all kinds of people. We let both slide because usually- such as this occasion- it's really not worth anyone's time to get in the middle of a "he hurt my feelings/he did it first" forum scrum. In fact, I've spent too much time already by addressing it.

Everybody chill.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

Here is my point again, With all due respect LadyX, I have never seen a mod or anyone intervene when it was the other way around, but as soon as someone jacks up about how rude he is, oh lets all have some compassion, lets sing kumbaya. NOBODY did that for me and there were plenty of times i asked a mod for help during the middle of a tirade from Felix and was given none, even though i was being called filthy names.

What ever happened to respect? What ever happened to having some manners and letting people post without being harassed by someone who gets away with it time after time after time.

I'm done, I can't say anymore on the subject. i've had it, and so have a lot of other people. they keep telling you but nobody does anything.

You are the only one who is actually making it hard for yourself. I will not go personal and analize you, however, Jack is going nowhere just because you dislike him and half of Lush, because and I know this is mind blowing, because the other half likes him and his humor and his inteligence. There really is nothing you can do about it, except making it worse for youreself.

EDIT: or what X said..I type too freaking slow.