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Well, I can’t post anywhere on the forums without you being an asshole and giving a shitty response to most of my forum posts. Your post to me added nothing of value to the thread whatsoever. When people post on these forums they don’t do so to provide you with fodder for your deranged sense of humour. I’m flattered you find my posts so interesting but you know, I wish someone would tell you to fuck off. Stop and think for a minute, what other reasons for not requiring extra folate there might be for a woman of 33 who has no children. The greatest disappointment of my life.

There are a lot of members here who suffer from various forms of mental illness. Some people find it extremely difficult to open up about how it affects them but once encouraged, do so. This often makes them realise they aren’t alone. aren’t we supposed to encourage and support those people? You think nothing of making fun of the subject. That disgusts me. I’m pretty sure that qualifies you for a Masters in how to be a cunt. You’ve called me crazy and psychotic in the past. Don’t you think it’s an insult to those who suffer mental illness, to joke about it? You obviously don’t think about what you write before you write it. Or maybe you do so as to get maximum emotional response to your provocations. Nothing seems to be off limits for you. Have you ever thought about pretending to be a decent human being and just being nice to people? You might even like it.

I’m not going to stop posting on these forums just because your stupid ass trolls me so it would be great if you would leave me the fuck alone when I post. Do you realise that every time you post your sick shit that you show everyone a little more of the nasty person you are. I don’t know anyone who thinks you’re funny.



You are probably right, that this wasn't the forum for that. However you sent me private message as well. I think that if you contact me privately I'm pretty reasonable. Attack me in public, and you're just asking to be made the center of attention. I explained this to you months ago, but yet you still dead set on portraying yourself as victim in a public forum. You do this time and time again. You want people to view your misery. You explained things to me in in private, and I am understanding of that...but attacking me in public will just more of the same. I understand that you're a drama junkie, but pick your battles. You have other things to deal with and I will leave you alone. But I don't want to see you making jabs at me from here on out.

I'm willing to give you a reprieve from here on out. I'll take a non-response as acceptance and consider the case closed.
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You are probably right, that this wasn't the forum for that. However you sent me private message as well. I think that if you contact me privately I'm pretty reasonable. Attack me in public, and you're just asking to be made the center of attention. I explained this to you months ago, but yet you still dead set on portraying yourself as victim in a public forum. You do this time and time again. You want people to view your misery. You explained things to me in in private, and I am understanding of that...but attacking me in public will just more of the same. I understand that you're a drama junkie, but pick your battles. You have other things to deal with and I will leave you alone. But I don't want to see you making jabs at me from here on out.

I'm willing to give you a reprieve from here on out. I'll take a non-response as acceptance and consider the case closed.


Who the fuck do you think you are? Don’t give me ultimatums and lecture me about picking my battles. If you left me alone there wouldn’t BE any. If you don’t want to see any more jabs at you from me then back off and stop trying to provoke me. I actually came over here to edit my post and find this. I made that post because I was upset after reading your tirade. Then thought I would message you.

Attacking YOU in public? You attacked ME but you don’t like getting it back do you? I’m supposed to just let you BE A DRAMA QUEEN without giving it back to you? Messaging you is a complete waste of time.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE JABS AT YOU IF YOU WOULD JUST BACK OFF. UNDERSTAND?
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Who the fuck do you think you are? Don’t give me ultimatums and lecture me about picking my battles. If you left me alone there wouldn’t BE any. If you don’t want to see any more jabs at you from me then back off and stop trying to provoke me. I actually came over here to edit my post and find this. I made that post because I was upset after reading your tirade. Then thought I would message you.

Attacking YOU in public? You attacked ME but you don’t like getting it back do you? I’m supposed to just let you BE A DRAMA QUEEN without giving it back to you? Messaging you is a complete waste of time.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE JABS AT YOU IF YOU WOULD JUST BACK OFF. UNDERSTAND?



I actually like when you attack me. If that's not clearly obvious then you are more dense than I thought. That's what makes your empty threats so laughable.

If you do want to tussle in public, I'm game. But if you want to play the "tough bitch" role in public then stop trying to play the victim by sending sob stories via PM and campaigning behind the seems. Your manipulative garbage doesn't work.

Everyone on this site knows your tricks by now.

PS... maybe you should ask your doctor about Xanax as well.
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I actually like when you attack me. If that's not clearly obvious then you are more dense than I thought. That's what makes your empty threats so laughable.

If you do want to tussle in public, I'm game. But if you want to play the "tough bitch" role in public then stop trying to play the victim by sending sob stories via PM and campaigning behind the seems. Your manipulative garbage doesn't work.

Everyone on this site knows your tricks by now.

PS... maybe you should ask your doctor about Xanax as well.


Aren’t we told by admin that we should keep this kind of thing to PM? I tried that. Find someone else to pick on for your entertainment. I’m done. You’re not worth my energy. Now I’m sure you’ll have the last word.
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Aren’t we told by admin that we should keep this kind of thing to PM? I tried that. Find someone else to pick on for your entertainment. I’m done. You’re not worth my energy. Now I’m sure you’ll have the last word.


As per usually you try to get the last word and then block me. Good thing that they changed the rules so that you can't just block/unblock anymore. As much as I will miss your comments threatening me with strongly worded messages (especially when you capitalize them) I'll enjoy myself nonetheless.

Just a note...If you want to play the sympathy card, try not to go to that well too many times. After a while, you're just pulling up annoyance and resentment.

You can't act like a victim in PM but simultaneously act like a bitch in public.

I would say that you are manipulative, but I don't think you're smart enough for that. Everyone on this site knows your tricks because we've all seen it before. I gave you an out. You chose to pretend to be badass. I don't care if you block me. I don't care if you come up with some make-believe sob story. You've cried wolf way too many times.

Keeping with the topic at hand... what supplements do I think you should take? I suggest a look in the mirror and a daily dose of Vitamin shut the fuck up.
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Do you augment your diet with vitamins, supplements, or exotic foods that are supposed to have special health benefits? Do you take any pills to enhance sexual performance? Please share what you take on a daily basis...


Back on topic, nothing for special health benefits. I take B12 because I was getting down to near-deficient levels at one point so my doctor suggested it (also type 2 diabetic and we tend to be more prone to B12 deficiency per my reading). I take D in the winter because lack of sun makes vitamin D deficiency a risk here in the Great White North, esp. in areas like Southwestern Ontario that tend to be quite cloudy in the winter.
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By all means, please do look into the evidence. But look at everything. Not just the ones that suit your needs. After half a century of study, the general consensus is that vitamin c supplementation has no benefit whatsoever. Please consult with any Phd in nutrition or a registered dietitian. I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who thinks that excessive vitamin C supplementation is beneficial. In fact, if anyone is suggesting that you take vitamin C as a daily supplement... they are probably trying to sell you vitamin C.


Are you seriously suggesting that your own perspective on vitamin C is a scrupulous and all-encompassing one? Dude, you barged into this thread proclaiming loud and proud that only vagrants could possibly present an insufficient intake of vitamins while being totally oblivious to the fact that nearly 50% of adults are ingesting an amount of vitamin C that's below the currently established RDA. Why are you still expecting people to perceive you as an accomplished authority about anything after such absurd statements? Believe me, at this point people are trusting my verifiable evidence quite a bit more than your officious declarations.

Besides, didn't I already corroborate that supplements happen to be a lot more efficient than dietary changes to circumvent those inadequacies in my first post addressed to you? Even if we're simply arguing about meeting minimal requirements of vitamins to avoid a plethora of well-documented complications, my approach of using supplements responsibly encourages people to make 100% sure that they're getting enough essential nutrients with marginal risks/costs; yours only cultivates the deplorable status quo by mocking anyone who'd even dare to think about ingesting a supplement. To say that a registered dietitian would share your irresponsible stance and align with your views more than mine is beyond hilarious.

And the general consensus is that vitamin C supplementation has no benefit whatsoever? Please explain why numerous studies are still being financed in 2018 to uncover the many facets of vitamin C, ranging from its effects on cancer, to cardiovascular conditions, to blood flow/pressure, to insulin sensitivity, to infectious diseases, to bone mineral density, to cognitive functions, to hormone production, a lot of times with doses far beyond the usual nutritional requirements. Why isn't vitamin C considered with the same lack of seriousness as any other mundane thing that you can possibly ingest, like say, gummy bears? And why does the RDA only keep increasing as those studies keep piling up: it was raised from 60mg to 90mg in the year 2000, and quite a few experts are now suggesting an optimal intake of 200mg for reaching near-maximal plasma concentration and averting chronic diseases.

Researches are still being conducted because although vitamin C has a variable role and cannot be established as a proper treatment for anything, its functions are so diverse in the human body that its overall impact on health is without any doubt. The scientific consensus is that many studies are contradicting one another despite several positive outcomes, and that no proper consensus has actually been reached as of yet concerning numerous health factors. The medical consensus is that although meeting the RDA should be the main focus of individuals, vitamin C is so inexpensive and harmless that investing $1.50/month to take full advantage of its conceivable benefits certainly isn't unjustified or senseless.

The fact that you need to rely on a vapid 'trying to sell you something' cliché just hints at how lacking and uninspired your whole argumentation is. On the contrary, it's been demonstrated time and again in plenty of rigorous papers that preventive measures which anybody can undertake/buy outside of the lucrative 'medical realm' always receive a fuckton less scientific merit than patented treatments bolstered by big pharmaceutical companies. If you want to debate in purely economic terms, the reality is that a lot more wealthy spheres would benefit from never ever seeing an accessible/cheap product like vitamin C becoming an effective treatment for anything. At 25$ per tablet, a single dose of Viagra already costs more than a yearly supply of vitamin C. Please make me laugh once more and reaffirm that the vast favorable literature regarding vitamin C only exists because of malevolent financial interests.


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I wasn't waving anything in front of you. I was just surprised that you felt the need to present me with knowledge that you either didn't know I had...or you were just trying to present mass amounts of knowledge to the other people that might read these posts. If I was a dumb person, I would take offence, but really, I realize that you were just trying to impress the last remaining few that haven't been bored to death by your continuous misplaced essays. I would never assume to lecture you on engineering. Please accord me the equivalent professional courtesy when it comes to aspects of academic knowledge that I have education in.


Didn't you tease Seax with the following just a month ago?


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SereneProdigy's essay illustrating your numerous faults would actually get my vote for best post of the year. smile


Seems like the value of my essays is mostly dependent upon whether I'm criticizing your archenemy or yourself. You're not jealous of my essays and my triumph over Seax, are you? I mean, I could fully empathize if you are: you're still striving to impose yourself as his intellectual superior after months of contention while I managed to completely shut him off with one post and one post only.

You absolutely got me pegged though, I'm relentlessly seeking to demonstrate my vast knowledge to others. This explains why I can continually be found in the Think Tank, insistently demonstrating to everybody my past university spells in philosophy, sociology and psychology when I used to write 40-pages papers about a wide variety of topics. What can I say, owning the lowbrow masses that are desperately trying to sound clever by stating the obvious is just so irresistible and satisfying.

My striking lack of modesty is such that when Dani dared argue with me about the effects of cannabis on schizophrenia, rather than being bothered with sharing constructive arguments I instantly jumped on the opportunity to proclaim that I actually completed university courses in neuropsychology, developmental psychology and descriptive pathology (for realz). Undeniably, the estimation of others is of such crucial importance to me that I heavily focus on publicizing my intellectual attributes, while avoiding at all fucking cost sharing my scandalous fantasies of fucking a girl that's drenched in cum or reporting in great details the fun that my girlfriend had when she mischievously penetrated my ass with a strap-on.

Enjoying the sarcasm?

Yes, a few of my intellectual aspirations shine through when I inadvertently find myself debating with someone, but how is that my fucking problem?


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Well, then how would I know that? What a worthless thing to say. Come on guy...you're better than that. And if you have an interest in nutrition, but yet you haven't educated yourself with the basics.. something's wrong. The reason why I suggest people purchase an actual nutrition textbook is because it provides everyone with the basic knowledge that allows people to then pursue the field if they want.


My answer was only as worthless as your own question was. Were you seriously expecting a deep cogent reply to such an inane rhetorical question? What else, do you wander around asking people about their favorite shade of shit hoping to precipitate an insightful philosophical discussion?

And no, you didn't exactly suggest that people inform themselves about basic nutrition: you easily could have posted a link for that, like the Harvard Medical School which offers plenty of free reliable information. You knew full well that absolutely no one reading this thread would ever buy your $100 textbook and the only remaining plausible motivation behind your post was to promote the oh-so-elitist knowledge that only a formidable person such as yourself could ever have access to. If you're still attempting to rally a few gullible people to your eroding cause, I'd at least advise against insulting their intelligence and assuming that they're all a bunch of poor imbeciles.


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I have no idea what your vitamin intake is. Whether or not it's beneficial is another discussion. I guess I'm just "uneducated" compared to you. I guess all the people that have devoted their lives to the study of nutrition are "uneducated" compared to you as well.


We're talking about vitamins, in case you haven't noticed. 'Uneducated' in this context simply illustrates people who aren't all that knowledgeable about vitamins. How many people can honestly say what represents 100 IU of vitamin E in terms of daily requirements? Is it negligible or insanely high? What about 100 IU of vitamin D? A great deal of people ignore what these numbers represent, hence why they'll look at appreciable supplement users (such as myself) and instantly assume that these people are swallowing excessive amounts of vitamins. The reality is that plenty of them are only ingesting moderate amounts to benefit from a few additional benefits which the minimal RDA clearly doesn't provide (such as vitamin D and athletic performances, which is a well-documented example). The only vitamin that I'm taking myself which could be considered 'excessive' is vitamin C itself: but even then, my intake of 1,000mg is well below the Upper Limit, well below what would be considered a 'megadose', and well below what an average monkey gets in a day. It's actually only considered 'excessive' insofar as the current RDA is so excessively low.

You yourself keep equating 'supplementation' with 'immoderation', which really isn't what's being debated here. I understand that your binary intellect is limited to either waving a flag or raging against something, but you might want to consider that you're not being particularly relevant in a discussion which necessitates a tiny bit of discernment. You do realize that there's a great margin between the RDA and the Upper Limit for the majority of vitamins, right? Vitamin C has a RDA of 90mg, and a UL of 2,000mg; vitamin E has a RDA of 20 IU, and a UL of 1,500 IU. Anything between these numbers is perfectly acceptable for fundamental health (which is often a lot easier to achieve with the help of supplements), although a few people are quite a bit more ambitious/exacting than that and will seek a value that the scientific literature suspects to be optimal... which hardly ever coincide with the RDA that's typically established to minimize complications quite a lot more than to maximize benefits.

I was admittedly taken aback that the mere sight of the word 'uneducated' completely got your panties in a wad though. Very sorry about it, I'll make sure to take your tough-guy attitude with an enormous grain of salt in the future, at the very least to preserve your fragile little feelings. #ThinkAboutDamonX


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Correct. And why are those studies not still being held up as the be all and end all from vitamin C advocates? Because in science, results have to be recreated in various populations to be deemed valid. You can't just cherry-pick some bullshit study from 50 years ago and use that as a basis for nutrient recommendations. Which is why every scientist in the world agrees that excessive vitamin C intake is worthless. If you want to use scientific evidence as an argument you need to look at systematic reviews or meta analysis. Any ridiculous theory has some ancient half-assed study to support it. As the highest level of statistical evidence, we evaluate every study, do a statistical regression analysis and make an informed recommendation based on the findings.


Dude (sigh)… the two graphs that I presented concerning 1970s studies were literally extracted from a meta-analysis published in 2017 (page 6 and 24): 46 studies evaluating 11,941 participants. A leading expert on vitamin C conducting a meta-analysis judged pertinent to include these graphs in his paper; how very bigoted of me to do the exact same while arguing on a sex-oriented website. Here's what that meta-analysis revealed (click on the title if you want to see the study for yourself):


Quote by ]We found that in the general community, ≥1 g/day vitamin C had no effect on common cold incidence (risk ratio (RR) 0.98; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.95 to 1.01; I² statistic = 0%; 7308 participants; 20 studies; moderate quality evidence).Within-trial heterogeneity was significant in few trials. Trials involving participants doing intense physical exercise found that vitamin C had a protective effect against colds (RR 0.49; 95% CI 0.37 to 0.64; I² statistic = 0%; 622 participants; 7 studies; high quality evidence; number-needed-to-treat-to-benefit (NNTB) = 3 to 10).

In adults, ≥1 g/day vitamin C shortened cold duration by 8% (95% CI 4% to 12%;I² statistic = 18%; 6672 colds; 17 studies; high quality evidence), and in children by 18% (95% CI 9% to 26%; I² statistic = 48%; 1534 colds; 10 studies; high quality evidence).

Regular ≥1 g/day vitamin C administration reduced numbers of days indoors and off work and school by 13.6% (95% CI 7% to20%; I² statistic = 31%; 4388 colds; 8 studies; high quality evidence), and symptom severity scores by 12.8% (95% CI 4.8% to 21%;I² statistic = 24%; 1730 colds; 7 studies; high quality evidence).

Therapeutic doses of 1.5 to 4 g/day vitamin C (given after cold symptoms appear) did not influence common cold duration (-2%;95% CI -7% to +2%; 3299 colds; 12 studies; high quality evidence), but 8 g on the first day shortened colds by 19% (95% CI 5% to32%; 718 colds; one study; high quality evidence). In therapeutic studies, the difference in the duration of days indoors and off work was 12% shorter (95% CI -25% to 0.8%; 2641 colds; 7 studies; high quality evidence).


In short, regular vitamin C supplementation clearly reduced the duration/severity of colds, but had very little impact on their incidence in the general population. Therapeutic doses (ie. taken at the onset of symptoms) only reduced the severity of symptoms by a moderate margin.

Additionally, a subgroup of 7 studies was compiled to evaluate people subjected to heavy, short-term physical activity. They found that even a modest vitamin C supplementation halved the incidence of colds, which suggests that vitamin C might be particularly beneficial for professional or recreational athletes, or for people working in harsh conditions:


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Vitamin C for preventing and treating the common cold]Analysis 1.1.3 included seven studies with participants undergoing heavy, short-term physical activity. Vitamin C halved the incidence of colds (RR 0.49; 95% CI 0.37 to 0.64; P value 10−6;622 participants; 7 studies; I² = 0%; high quality evidence). Three studies were with marathon runners (Moolla 1996a;Peters 1993a;Peters 1996a), one with students in a skiing school in the Swiss Alps (Ritzel 1961), one with Canadian army troops on subarctic operations (Sabiston 1974), and two very small studies with participants after an exercise test (Carillo 2008a;Carillo 2008b).

All of these seven studies were randomised and double-blind. In three studies, the dose of vitamin C was < 1 g/day (Moolla 1996a;Peters 1993a;Peters 1996a) so that the benefit in this subgroup cannot be explained by particularly high vitamin C doses. Instead the benefits seem to be caused by the extraordinary conditions of the participants.


Contrarily to you, I'll trust people's judgment to decide whether or not these benefits (among several others) are worth $1.50/month to them. And yes, you'll find that many of these benefits only have a modest impact on health, but that certainly doesn't translate to 'having no benefit whatsoever'. Aspirin only reduces pain by a slight subjective margin, but that doesn't stop it from being the go-to medication that people use to reduce aches. Periodically adding spinach to your plate possibly only has a small effect on the development of cancer, but that doesn't stop doctors from qualifying it as a sound practice. Vitamins aren't the be-all-end-all of health, but they can most certainly contribute to a healthy lifestyle. And when comparing a comprehensive healthy lifestyle to an unhealthy one, you'll find that the benefits are quite a bit more than marginal.

Besides, the great irony here is that the widespread medical opinion that vitamin C has no impact on colds whatsoever (which is still perpetuated in plenty of modern textbooks) is actually just as old as the 1975 studies which you previously criticized, and solely based on three small researches that are now recognized for having serious biases. Refer to the long quote of my first post. The findings of these shitty studies have been cultivated by the medical community for decades with very little efforts made to challenge the established consensus (hence the very limited amount of data concerning vitamin C and colds after 1975):


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Although the three papers have serious biases, they have been used singly or in the combinations of two as references in nutritional recommendations, in medical textbooks, in texts on infectious diseases and on nutrition, when the authors claimed that vitamin C had been shown to be ineffective for colds [1] (pp. 21–23, 36–38, 42–45). The American Medical Association, for example, officially stated that “One of the most widely misused vitamins is ascorbic acid. There is no reliable evidence that large doses of ascorbic acid prevent colds or shorten their duration” [113], a statement that was based entirely on Chalmers’s 1975 review.


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I would never suggest that you accept everything I say. I am an expert in a field just like you are an expert in yours. I have a lot of education in nutrition, but it's not my area of expertise. By all means learn all you can if you are interested in the field. The fact that you would discount a university text book, (which is essentially the accumulation of thousands of people's knowledge and a hundred years of study) is a bit disconcerting.


I was actually curious about your book:


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Wardlaw's Contemporary Nutrition[/url]]Contemporary Nutrition is a complete and balanced resource for nutrition information written at a level non-science majors can understand. Current research is at the core of the eleventh edition, with revised statistics, incorporation of new results of clinical trials, and updated recommendations. The text provides students who lack a strong science background the ideal balance of reliable nutrition information and practical consumer-oriented knowledge.


Thanks for the offer buddy, but I'll take my first-hand analysis of scientific papers over your defective reporting of pre-digested knowledge any day of the fucking week. Frankly at this point, you still promoting your book is just likely to make people plunge into heavy skepticism next time you'll feel like telling us that your weekend was spent binging on books about the consecrative customs of Akkadian ecclesiastics during the Mesopotamian era.


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And by the way... if you are really concerned about antioxidants, maybe do some research into the effect of smoking on oxidative effects on the human body. I'm pretty sure that you'll find that smoking cessation has a much more proven track record on anti-oxidation than spending 30 bucks month on orange flavoured pills.


How does that even pertain to the discussion we're having? I mean, aside from pointing out that smokers actually require 40% more vitamin C and that supplements can be particularly valuable to them? And not $30 man... $1.50/month. You're a slow learner, are you?

And I certainly won't object if you want to brag about ruining everything…

Personally I wouldn't include my reputation or credibility in the mix, but hey, whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Could a moderator possibly edit all of that worthless Trinket-drama?

With DamonX and myself exhaustively arguing together (although still fully relevant to this thread), I'm already finding this thread quite a mess to follow.
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I take a multi-vitamin and whey protein and that's it. I try to get as many nutrients as possible from food.
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I need to take B12. Couple of years ago I was diagnosed with severe B12 deficiency. So atm B12 and iron supplements for me.
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Could a moderator possibly edit all of that worthless Trinket-drama?

With DamonX and myself exhaustively arguing together (although still fully relevant to this thread), I'm already finding this thread quite a mess to follow.



Perhaps if you take your time and read a little slower you might be able to follow what’s going on in the thread. Good luck. smile

I’m still popping my multi’s and VitD.
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I take nothing out of a bottle except my glass ( or two) of red wine with meals-not breakfast.
Melatonin - I have used this for jet lag and found it effective. Everywhere is a long way from Australia and there can be a significant time difference to cater for.
I was interested to read about the the sleep problems experienced by Buz and Bethany/Beffer. .
Apart from that only fresh vegetables and fruit provide me with all the vitamins I need. Meat and nuts also contribute in a small way.
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Way too much.




Sorry if that put everyone to sleep.

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Are you seriously suggesting that your own perspective on vitamin C is a scrupulous and all-encompassing one?


Nope. I just agree with every other rational thinking professional on the subject. I don't present anything that hasn't been claimed by the majority of the scientific community for the past 30 years.

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Dude, you barged into this thread proclaiming loud and proud that only vagrants could possibly present an insufficient intake of vitamins while being totally oblivious to the fact that nearly 50% of adults are ingesting an amount of vitamin C that's below the currently established RDA.


Nah.. I just stated that if someone was taking a multivitamin (which provides everyone with more than enough Vitamin C) then an additional vitamin C supplement is a waste of money. All other references to vagrancy or hippy bashing were a product of your own insecurities. Whatever a person's nutritional inefficiencies might be, a multi vitamin would easily take care of it.


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yours only cultivates the deplorable status quo by mocking anyone who'd even dare to think about ingesting a supplement. To say that a registered dietitian would share your irresponsible stance and align with your views more than mine is beyond hilarious.


Nope. But taking a supplement should be made for a valid medical reason. I would advise anyone to consult a registered dietitian. If you want to give money to supplement companies then feel free. I don't think that the "status quo" is to attack supplements. I think that the "status quo" is to spend money on useless shit while ignoring the things that actually make a difference in their health.

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And the general consensus is that vitamin C supplementation has no benefit whatsoever?



Depends on your individual situation. If you eat a normal diet then scientific evidence agrees that there is no benefit. Some people have social or biological conditions that make supplementation required, but for the majority of people... Nope. No benefit.

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Please explain why numerous studies are still being financed in 2018 to uncover the many facets of vitamin C, ranging from its effects on cancer, to cardiovascular conditions, to blood flow/pressure, to insulin sensitivity, to infectious diseases, to bone mineral density, to cognitive functions, to hormone production, a lot of times with doses far beyond the usual nutritional requirements.


Because that's what science is. We are always looking for new things. There will always be studies into the long term effects of vitamin C. But the current consensus is that there is no benefit. I don't think that the case is closed. And if I wasn't doing what I am doing now, I definitely would be involved in nutrition because that is an interest of mine.

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Why isn't vitamin C considered with the same lack of seriousness as any other mundane thing that you can possibly ingest, like say, gummy bears? And why does the RDA only keep increasing as those studies keep piling up: it was raised from 60mg to 90mg in the year 2000, and quite a few experts are now suggesting an optimal intake of 200mg for reaching near-maximal plasma concentration and averting chronic diseases.



Well, you can get vitamin c in gummi bears now so you can hit two birds with one stone. The RDA is to make sure everyone gets enough. I explained this before... but water soluble vitamin recommendations are very liberal. Because there is a very low risk of damage. It's the same reason of the arbitrary recommendations for water intake.

Please don't quote "quite a few experts." You know that's not how science works.

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The fact that you need to rely on a vapid 'trying to sell you something' cliché just hints at how lacking and uninspired your whole argumentation is. On the contrary, it's been demonstrated time and again in plenty of rigorous papers that preventive measures which anybody can undertake/buy outside of the lucrative 'medical realm' always receive a fuckton less scientific merit than patented treatments bolstered by big pharmaceutical companies. If you want to debate in purely economic terms, the reality is that a lot more wealthy spheres would benefit from never ever seeing an accessible/cheap product like vitamin C becoming an effective treatment for anything. At 25$ per tablet, a single dose of Viagra already costs more than a yearly supply of vitamin C. Please make me laugh once more and reaffirm that the vast favorable literature regarding vitamin C only exists because of malevolent financial interests.


You're trying to pivot into a pharma argument, and that is another issue altogether.

If you think that vitamin c is somehow a surrogate for anything medical then you are farther behind than I thought. If something is proven to have a physiological benefit, then drug companies will snap that up and charge 20 times the price. Both drug companies and supplement companies will fuck you over. The difference is that drug companies are actually fucking you over because they have something you need.

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Seems like the value of my essays is mostly dependent upon whether I'm criticizing your archenemy or yourself. You're not jealous of my essays and my triumph over Seax, are you? I mean, I could fully empathize if you are: you're still striving to impose yourself as his intellectual superior after months of contention while I managed to completely shut him off with one post and one post only.


Nah. I can appreciate your posts. Unfortunately, I'm probably the only one that does. I loved that Seax post. But I'm also probably the only one that read the whole thing. Just like I'm the only one reading these posts. I understand that you think that you kill people by writing 10 pages of stuff (even if they are well written) but most people just see it scan can to the bottom. Nobody fucking cares. If you can't make a point in less than a page then just give up.

There's a difference between what I do and what you do. You... read something that sticks in your craw.. then take a couple weeks, do your research, and then come back and blast the thread with a 5 page essay that nobody actually reads. We're both intelligent people obviously... But I'm sensing that you need a bit more prep.

If you want to make yourself seem intellectually superior to others, then stop acting like the nerd who just took a month to prep for middle school debate competition. I don't know if you have ever had to defend a thesis or anything like that, but I feel like you would crumble, run away and hide in a closet while you chain smoke cigarettes....

I love your posts! But when you write 18 pages of shit people tune out... that's just the way it goes. When you post 3 pages of scientific graphs, 99.9% of people lose interest. I like it..but think about other people. You and I are not normal people. I have realized that... but it seems that you haven't yet.

Quote by SereneProdigy

And no, you didn't exactly suggest that people inform themselves about basic nutrition: you easily could have posted a link for that, like the Harvard Medical School which offers plenty of free reliable information. You knew full well that absolutely no one reading this thread would ever buy your $100 textbook and the only remaining plausible motivation behind your post was to promote the oh-so-elitist knowledge that only a formidable person such as yourself could ever have access to. If you're still attempting to rally a few gullible people to your eroding cause, I'd at least advise against insulting their intelligence and assuming that they're all a bunch of poor imbeciles.


Haha. That's what you took from that?

I did everything to state: Seek out the highest level of academic information that that you can.... I feel sorry for you that a text book is considered "elitist." It's just kind of the base of nutritional info that a human being can have.

Proceed with using Wikipedia and supplement companies websites as your main source of scientific information. [/img]

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I was actually curious about your book:


I'm failing to see the problem here....

If you can find something wrong with that text book, then by all means, contact the publisher and get it changed.

It's not "my" book bud. It's just a suggestion for anyone interested in learning the basics in nutrition. Feel free to access any valid source of evidence based information you can. I'm just tired of hearing garbage on the internet from people that have the knowledge of a 3rd grader when it comes to nutrition. I'm not saying that you do... but most are like that.

Now, I'm happy to keep talking about this but nobody else gives a fuck. So if you want to address this further contact me in private.

So just as a recap...

People who think that vitamin C supplementation is necessary? :

Serene Prodigy and supplement companies.

People who think Vitamin C supplementation is unnecessary for the majority of people...? :

DamonX and every nutrition expert in the world.

Make you're own decision.
SereneProdigy
Cryptic Vigilante
Well this whole debate has certainly been entertaining.
Magical_felix
Wild at Heart
Quote by trinket
Awwww here I was just getting interested in the debate.


Trinket... Every time you think you need to say something out of anger, jealousy, frustration, confusion, loneliness, hatred or immaturity I want you to consider taking a big fat veiny dose of vitamin D in your mouth instead.

Take one at night and let me know how you feel in the morning.

- Dr. Felix
MadMartigan
Raised on Blackroot
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Hmmm.... I think if you found a way to color cum it might be more interesting. It might give "Rainbow parties" a whole new lease on life.




Just wanted to say you gave me a hilarious new story idea if I can ever be pissed to write it.
trinket
Convict
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Trinket... Every time you think you need to say something out of anger, jealousy, frustration, confusion, loneliness, hatred or immaturity I want you to consider taking a big fat veiny dose of vitamin D in your mouth instead.

Take one at night and let me know how you feel in the morning.

- Dr. Felix



You need that big, fat veiny dose of VitD more than I do Jack.
Guest
Lurker
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It certainly was and I think you came out winning! Nothing of value, but still winning.


By all means... add your own 2 cents.

Or maybe just look at how SereneProdigy and I debated. We made intelligent points, tossed in a few barbs, and walked away still being friendly being the scenes.

You obviously don't have that ability.

If you want to debate me, please go ahead.

Otherwise, just go back to writing shitty poetry and trying to seduce middle aged divorcees in the chat room.




Why is it that whenever you post on a thread, you never actually write anything of substance that has anything to do with the actual topic?
trinket
Convict
Quote by DamonX

By all means... add your own 2 cents.
Or maybe just look at how SereneProdigy and I debated. We made intelligent points, tossed in a few barbs, and walked away still being friendly being the scenes.
You obviously don't have that ability.
If you want to debate me, please go ahead.
Otherwise, just go back to writing shitty poetry and trying to seduce middle aged divorcees in the chat room.


Why is it that whenever you post on a thread, you never actually write anything of substance that has anything to do with the actual topic?

I actually did post on topic on this very thread stating that I took a multi and a VitD supplement that my GP recommended. Then YOU quoted me and posted:

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Wow. Did your GP get his/her degree from "Cover your own ass University?"
No folate? You must be older than I thought.
You should go back and ask about clozapine, risperidone, and probably some citalopram.


I can’t see any substance in those posts, can you? All I see is you making fun of mental illness and laughing at my doctor. I don’t frequent the chat rooms, don’t have a chat room badge. they aren’t my thing so I wouldn’t know who is in there. You seem to though. Middle aged divorcees your thing are they?

I’m not going to give you the reaction you want anymore. You’re just a peon on the internet and of no consequence to me. Try your hardest, you’ve already called me a cunt, can’t get much worse than that. Only a certain type of low-life would call a woman a cunt after she just asked him to back off because her best friend and dog died, and that her father is in palliative care. I see you just had to make fun of my dog dying. Perhaps SP didn’t wipe the floor with you completely because you didn’t call him any filthy names. This drama queen is tired of your shit. By all means keep wasting your time and trying to inflate your ego by unprovoked attacks on me in the forums, I won’t be reading it or responding to it. I’m going to give everyone a break and make that a promise.

Shitty poetry? A few of my poems have Recommended Reads. Does that mean all Recommended Reads (including yours)on this site are shitty? I have twice the number of RR’s as you do but no EP’s. Are EP’s shittier?

Ok that’s it from me. Still taking that multi and VitD
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I’m not going to give you the reaction you want anymore. You’re just a peon on the internet and of no consequence to me. Try your hardest, you’ve already called me a cunt, can’t get much worse than that. Only a certain type of low-life would call a woman a cunt after she just asked him to back off because her best friend and dog died.

It that what happened? Or was it your cousin and your cat that died? Or was it your hamster?

Usually, people that suffer a tragedy don't go to a sex stories site and use it as a tool to evoke sympathy.

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Perhaps SP didn’t wipe the floor with you completely because you didn’t call him any filthy names.


I'm pretty sure SP isn't on your side. I realize that girls like yourself always look for some intelligent male to be your Knight in shining armour... But we both find you annoying as fuck.

We respect each other intellectually, but unfortunately you have done nothing to earn anyone's respect.

Quote by trinket
This drama queen is tired of your shit. By all means keep wasting your time and trying to inflate your ego by unprovoked attacks on me in the forums, I won’t be reading it or responding to it. I’m going to give everyone a break and make that a promise.


I doubt that. You keep saying that, but yet you keep blocking and unblocking me to send me the same strongly worded messages over and over and over again.

The thing you don't understand is that I truly don't care if you respond to anything I write. I'm going to make fun of you either way. I'm glad to see that you think Serene Prodigy "mopped the floor with me." I'd be willing to guess that you probably understood less than 60% of the words either of us said.

Thank you for your uninformed input on this actual topic though.

I'm sure everyone will appreciate your vast scientific knowledge. I can't wait to hear what you have to say next.
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Now that the Trinket Drama has subsided... the adults can have the floor once again.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a multivitamin supplement. Just think of it as an insurance policy that will yield dividends over an extended period of time. It's not a magic pill though.

I've also noticed that people keep bringing up Vitamin D.

If you live in northern climates (like North America and Europe) or extreme southern climates (like Australia and New Zealand) you do not get enough vitamin D from sunlight. You need to get it from your diet. If you have a diet that is insufficient in vitamin D, then you should take supplements. In Canada, milk is fortified with vitamin D. But if you don't drink milk then you will probably need to use exogenous sources. There is also a recent trend against dairy products that contributes to insufficiency in vitamin D intake.

On average, non white residents have plasma levels of approximately 40% less than white people. For us Northern Europeans, dairy products are kind of a staple. But that's not the case for people from Southern China, Vietnam etc... So people from south Asia or Africa that migrate to England, Canada or the US are more likely to suffer from vitamin D deficiency.

In Australia, milk is not fortified with D. The deficiency rate is around 30%. If you aren't getting the amount that you require then you need to. Whether by change in diet or supplementation, depends on your own situation. Just don't fall into the trap of "the more the better." Because vitamins don't work that way.


Side note: Vitamin D is also much much more important for children. Which is why I get so pissed off at new age parents who damage their children with ridiculous nutritional regimes.
Buz
The Linebacker
During the flu season I do take a multivitamin just in case my immune system could use the boost. I also get a flu shot but some years, like this season, that shot doesn't cover much. I'll keep a pack of immune boost fizzies on hand to use if I encounter anyone that is sick.

Living in Georgia, I probably have been exposed decently to Vitamin D with the sun. We're on the same latitude as Casablanca, Morocco. I can wear shorts at least 8 months of the year, maybe make that 9 some years. But like DamonX mentioned, the milk here is Vitamin D enriched.

I certainly got a lot of sun growing up. We had a swimming pool in the backyard. Then when we moved to our next house when I was 13, we also had a swimming pool in the backyard, plus a boat dock and boats as we lived on a large lake. That's when I got really good at water skiing. I also spent alot of time out on the boat fishing with my shirt off absorbing the sun. But all the sun I got has turned out to be too much for my northwestern European inherited skin. I've already had two bouts of basil skin cancer that required surgical removal. The last one left a pretty good Frankenstein scar on my shoulder, just missing interfering with my upper arm/shoulder tattoo. That would've upset me.
Kee
Sensual Hobgoblin
This is not exactly vitamins but it is important for your health and well being, that being getting the proper immunizations for your age group and staying current with boosters as needed.....

Note: The entire chart with footnotes and relevant info can be found at------- https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html

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Green_Man
Primus Omnium
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This is not exactly vitamins but it is important for your health and well being, that being getting the proper immunizations for your age group and staying current with boosters as needed.....

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This could truly be a lifesaver for numerous folks. Thanks for posting it.