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latecomer91364
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Now, I smoke one small bowl of pot every day after dinner. I did tons of acid in high school and college, but won't anymore. Will still snort coke (the only way I would ever take it in), but haven't done it for a long while. Dis Seconal once, didn't like it, did speed (Black Beauties) in college, usually cramming for exams, but no more. I might try extasy if in the right moment.

I put opium on a bong hit a few times, but never tried (or want to) heroin, morphine, crack, crystal meth or anything else addictive.

If, God forbid, I was ever given six months left to live, I would absolutely try heroin, having nothing to lose in the venture.

For my only drug, pot which I use in extremely small amounts, I always say that I like it to be the frame, not the picture.

Cheers!

Edit for: I forgot - shrooms, peyote, and that synthetic shrooms thing (I forget what it's called) angel dust, cannabinoll, THC (pure form) and some other things whose names I forget - all memories, not in current practice.
Dancing_Doll
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Since when is a thread title irrelevant? It may be helpful under a prescribed/medical situation but it's not the same as lighting a joint of your own accord smoking whatever kind of pot it is you Can buy on the street. Do you want people using recreational drugs as self medication thinking they are helping themselves when they could be making themselves feel worse?

Marijuana has been linked to schizophrenia and it is a fact that it can worsen symptoms.

Yes if someone is going to tell people (especially someone they know has anxiety problems) that marijuana can be helpful for depression/anxiety then I think they are an idiot.

EDIT: it would be more responsible to say "medical marijuana" to avoid the assumption of them meaning to just pack a bowl.


LOL.. Dude, relax, I'm not trying to fight with you - I'm trying to provide info to someone who asked about marijuana being used for a medical health issue. You dismissed the whole thing with broad condemnation (ie. "whoever said this is an idiot"). I think this is faulty logic and am showing that it is being used as legit medical treatment for this particular condition.

You will also notice that I clearly stated that the strain genetics and THC % is key when looking at treating a specific health condition in my original post. Did I say go buy some unknown shit from a street dealer and find an easy cure? No. Did I say "pack a bowl" or was I not clear that I was talking about medical marijuana in my post? Aside from the screen shots from a medical clinic, how many times did I need to say "medical" for it to be clear and 'responsible'? More than the 3 times I did? Come on. Don't put words in my mouth. Good grief.
Magical_felix
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I used to be a big pot head but don't touch it anymore. Makes me want to eat cat food. Tried acid once, someone gave me too much and I freaked out for a week and never touched it again. I liked speed far too much so made a decision to stay away from it.


This really does explain a lot.
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I guess I pretty much tried everything at one time or another. Back when I was a teen I was a pretty big pot head. Then in my late teens coke was my drug of choice, especially when I spent about a year partying in the Hollywood rock clubs after I graduated HS. I even may have done a thing or two to get it that I am not proud of. Was pretty much drug free through my 20's but after my divorce I occasionally indulged in coke when I was enjoying my freedom. Been mostly drug free for last 5 yrs except for a few times.
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Marijuana has been linked to schizophrenia and it is a fact that it can worsen symptoms.





Are you serious? What century do you think you are living in?





Buz
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Whoever told you it's helpful for depression/anxiety is an idiot. Especially stay away from rec drugs if you are on any type of mental health/anxiety medications.


A person suffering from those issues already has brain chemistry problems. So they should only adhere to prescription drugs legally prescribed by their physician/psychiatrist.

Most everyone else will probably not suffer at all from toking some marijuana. It might mellow them out. However, heroin, opioids, meth, etc. are usually a problem for anyone.

I have never heard of marijuana being linked to schizophrenia.
VanGogh
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Marijuana has been linked to schizophrenia and it is a fact that it can worsen symptoms.

Yes if someone is going to tell people (especially someone they know has anxiety problems) that marijuana can be helpful for depression/anxiety then I think they are an idiot.


holy shit!

If you think most people would tell or suggest a certified schizophrenic person or a clinically depressed person to go get some bud to alleviate their medical problem, you are mistaken. Most people would hope and suggest that they continue to see their doctor. But maybe, hearing some of the benefits of pot, they may include cannabis into the conversation with their doctor, to see if it helps or not.

Way better than self-medicating on alcohol.

Van
WellMadeMale
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I used to be a big pot head but don't touch it anymore. Makes me want to eat cat food.


Which kind? The dry biscuit stuff that leaves powdered kibble on your fingers if you touch it, or the stinky, wet glop that is scraped from the floor at dog food factories, repackaged and sold to unsuspecting cat lurvers?

That sounds like some baaaad weed, babe. Maybe laced with something else. You sure you weren't overdosing on dry mushrooms at the same time?

I miss firing up a potent joint or toking on a one hitter. I love getting stoned, but couldn't stand the coughing fit it always triggered.

Oh, that and the fact that 99% of employers now urine test us, either at new hire or sometimes just because they want to.

That stuff stays in our bodies a long time, sadly. Been several years since I last lit up.

Cocaine on the other hand...that's out of our system relatively quickly. Provided you're not addicted to a gram plus a day.

But I'm not recommending one drug over the other and if you're easily convinced to eat cat food while gronked, then for fucks sake, stay the hell away from cocaine. Who knows WHAT that would turn you into.
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This is an interesting conversation.
SereneProdigy
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Marijuana has been linked to schizophrenia and it is a fact that it can worsen symptoms.

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Are you serious? What century do you think you are living in?

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I have never heard of marijuana being linked to schizophrenia.

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holy shit!


With all due respect, trinket (which I rarely if ever associate with) didn't advocate that cannabis is the primary cause of psychotic disorders or the root of all evil in this world; she merely mentioned a 'link' between marijuana and schizophrenia. And a myriad of recently published scientific papers actually support her claim.

From a mere 15-minutes stroll over the world-wide-web:


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Cannabis use in adolescence leads to a two-to-threefold increase in relative risk for schizophrenia or schizophreniform disorder in adulthood. The earlier the age of onset of cannabis use, the greater the risk for psychotic outcomes.

Cannabis does not appear to represent a sufficient or a necessary cause for the development of psychosis but forms part of a causal constellation.

A minority of individuals experience harmful outcome consequent to their use of cannabis. However, this minority is significant both from a clinical point of view and at a population level. It is estimated that about 8% of schizophrenia could be prevented by elimination of cannabis use in the population. Source

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The results of this systematic review and meta-analysis represent strong scientific evidence for an association between substance use, particularly the use of cannabis, and an earlier age at onset of psychotic illnesses. The association between the extent of cannabis use in the substance-using group and the effect size as well as the weaker association between earlier age at onset and alcohol use support the hypothesis that cannabis use is a causal factor in psychotic disorders. The finding raises the important questions of whether cannabis and other substances can trigger psychosis by direct neurotoxic effects, by alterations in dopamine activity, or by other changes in neurotransmission and the extent to which any adverse effects on the brain are reversible. These results confirm the need for further neurobiological research to find the mechanisms by which cannabis use triggers or brings forward psychotic illness.

The results of this study provide strong evidence that reducing cannabis use could delay or even prevent some cases of psychosis. Reducing the use of cannabis could be one of the few ways of altering the outcome of the illness because earlier onset of schizophrenia is associated with a worse prognosis and because other factors associated with age at onset, such as family history and sex, cannot be changed. Building on several decades of research, this finding is an important breakthrough in our understanding of the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis. It raises the question of whether those substance users would still have gone on to develop psychosis a few years later. Source

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Although a small fraction of teens that use cannabis develop schizoaffective disorders, a number of epidemiological studies repeatedly demonstrate elevated risk to develop these psychiatric disorders in association with early-life cannabis use. Longitudinal studies assessing the relationship between early-life cannabis exposure and schizotypal personality disorder demonstrated that early adolescent use increases adulthood symptomatology. Moreover, the presence and severity of schizophrenic endophenotypes, such as psychotic symptoms and prepulse inhibition, were predicted by adolescent cannabis use. Source

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Early use of cannabis did appear to increase the risk of psychosis. For psychotic symptoms, a dose-related effect of cannabis use was seen, with vulnerable groups including individuals who used cannabis during adolescence, those who had previously experienced psychotic symptoms, and those at high genetic risk of developing schizophrenia. In conclusion, the available evidence supports the hypothesis that cannabis is an independent risk factor, both for psychosis and the development of psychotic symptoms. Addressing cannabis use, particularly in vulnerable populations, is likely to have beneficial effects on psychiatric morbidity. Source

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The evidence is consistent with the view that cannabis increases risk of psychotic outcomes independently of confounding and transient intoxication effects, although evidence for affective outcomes is less strong. The uncertainty about whether cannabis causes psychosis is unlikely to be resolved by further longitudinal studies such as those reviewed here. However, we conclude that there is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life.Ht0VKKKRnXI6


And before anyone is tempted to dismiss all those findings as scientific falsification and/or conservative lobbying, please be advised that countless of similar reports have been published by completely unrelated health/scientific organizations all around the globe in recent years. In short, you might end up looking just as silly as an old corporate shark who's dismissing global warming as some kind of economically-motivated fallacy.

I'm really not the type to demonize cannabis (or drugs in general), but to me presenting it as some sort of jolly substance that's completely harmless is just as ill-informed and dishonest. Omega-3 reportedly improve memory, chamomile is anecdotally relaxing, even lavender can supposedly alleviate depression through aromatherapy; these are all substances that hardly have any direct tangible effect on consciousness. Cannabis is considered a 'light' drug in the realm of drugs, but a substance that can alter one's cognition/perception in such a manifest and pervasive way is far from being a 'light substance' in the grand scheme of things, at all. And that's especially true when said substance is readily accessible and any broke recluse can effortlessly spend the majority of his days in such an altered state (and I'm talking from first-hand observations here). And therefore, it's certainly not a substance to be taken lightly either when it comes to mental health or psychiatric disorders.

(He says while duplicitously passing the joint around.)
SereneProdigy
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trinket
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LOL.. Dude, relax, I'm not trying to fight with you - I'm trying to provide info to someone who asked about marijuana being used for a medical health issue. You dismissed the whole thing with broad condemnation (ie. "whoever said this is an idiot"). I think this is faulty logic and am showing that it is being used as legit medical treatment for this particular condition.

You will also notice that I clearly stated that the strain genetics and THC % is key when looking at treating a specific health condition in my original post. Did I say go buy some unknown shit from a street dealer and find an easy cure? No. Did I say "pack a bowl" or was I not clear that I was talking about medical marijuana in my post? Aside from the screen shots from a medical clinic, how many times did I need to say "medical" for it to be clear and 'responsible'? More than the 3 times I did? Come on. Don't put words in my mouth. Good grief.


Seriously I am relaxed, you need to chill. You've misunderstood me. We are on the same side. I didn't say YOU were saying to pack a bowl and smoke any old shit, I was referring to my original post, where I said an idiot would say weed can be helpful for anxiety and depression. It's reckless to say that to someone without clearly explaining it the way you did. That is what my post meant. You can't just light up and expect it to help you.

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Are you serious? What century do you think you are living in?

Quite serious. Make google your friend.

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holy shit!

If you think most people would tell or suggest a certified schizophrenic person or a clinically depressed person to go get some bud to alleviate their medical problem, you are mistaken. Most people would hope and suggest that they continue to see their doctor. But maybe, hearing some of the benefits of pot, they may include cannabis into the conversation with their doctor, to see if it helps or not.

Way better than self-medicating on alcohol.

Van


How would I know if most people would say it? I dont and neither do you. It shouldn't happen at all and That's why I made the first post. I didn't want someone suffering from some type of mental illness thinking it was ok to go smoke a joint. As for the schizophrenia thing, perhaps you could've googled it before saying i was talking bullshit.

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Which kind? The dry biscuit stuff that leaves powered kibble on your fingers if you touch it, or the stinky, wet glop that is scraped from the floor at dog food factories, repackaged and sold to unsuspecting cat lurvers.


The dry biscuit stuff. I lied. I've never eaten dry cat food but I watched someone else eat it. He had the munchies so bad and there was nothing else. He was after the "crunch" factor. I never got that desperate but I came close.

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Thank you.


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This really does explain a lot.

Shut up.
Verbal
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I LIKE cat food.
LaylaJune
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I LIKE cat food.



Decided: we will eat out A LOT
Verbal
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The dry stuff or the sardines?



I like to make a casserole - a layer of the crunchy stuff, a layer of the wet stuff, a layer of kitty treats, a layer of sardines, topped with cheese. Bake at 375 for 30 minutes, or until your kitchen smells disgusting.

Getting high first makes it taste better, but hey, any port in a storm.
Verbal
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Decided: we will eat out A LOT


I won't ask you to eat it. But while watching Netflix and chilling (heh) I like a nice big bowl of it to munch on, like popcorn. It's great buttered!
LaylaJune
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I won't ask you to eat it. But while watching Netflix and chilling (heh) I like a nice big bowl of it to munch on, like popcorn. It's great buttered!





Buz
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I do have to agree that the idea of a schizophrenic smoking marijuana doesn't sound good. They have enough problems, anything even slightly hallucinogenic could be bad.
VanGogh
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With all due respect, trinket (which I rarely if ever associate with) didn't advocate that cannabis is the primary cause of psychotic disorders or the root of all evil in this world; she merely mentioned a 'link' between marijuana and schizophrenia. And a myriad of recently published scientific papers actually support her claim.

And before anyone is tempted to dismiss all those findings as scientific falsification and/or conservative lobbying, please be advised that countless of similar reports have been published by completely unrelated health/scientific organizations all around the globe in recent years.


As we all know, google can find the opposite to one's hopeful search. Google, although amazing, does not have definitive and absolute answers.

Here's a well respected (I guess? ) site/mag that says that Cannabis may not be such a fucking no-no for those with schizophrenia. But, fuck, what do I know? Apparently, fuck all.

Psychology Today


To date, all of the positive evidence supporting the use of medical marijuana in humans has come from studies of the entire plant or experimental investigations of THC. A recent study published in the Journal of Neuroscience (4 May 2016, 36(18): 5160-5169) has shown CBD has significant therapeutic efficacy for the treatment of schizophrenia. These scientists have also identified where CBD likely acts in the brains of schizophrenics, the nucleus accumbens (the brain’s primary pleasure center), and how it is able to produce effects similar to standard antipsychotic medications.

This discovery stands in stark contrast to previous claims that marijuana induces psychosis. Overall, today’s scientists are being more open-minded about the benefits of marijuana and are trying to bring less bias to their investigations. One recent study asked whether marijuana use was associated with an earlier age of onset for the first episode of schizophrenia. The researchers concluded that there was no significant relationship between the onset of illness and marijuana use that could not be accounted for by other demographic and clinical variables. Meaning, once again it is important to take notice of all of the other variables that contribute to developing psychosis.


That's all I got.

On a personal note, with my ordeal with PMR, when "standard RA meds" did nothing but make me sicker and in considerable more pain, I thank god I found a lovely lady that bakes bud 2bite brownies for a few us that have to live a life with considerable pain. I can't smoke bud because I get a terrible cough and it doesn't produce the same relief from my intense muscle fatigue and pain.

On that note, I'm off for a cuppa and a half of a bud brownie.

Van
Magical_felix
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I do have to agree that the idea of a schizophrenic smoking marijuana doesn't sound good. They have enough problems, anything even slightly hallucinogenic could be bad.


That's why trinket doesn't smoke it. I do agree, it's a bad idea.
VanGogh
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Sadly, there's another viewpoint with recreational drugs that hasn't been discussed in any way like the cat food has.

Fentanyl Crisis

This shit is cut into drugs of all types, not just heroin.

Vancouver Sun - Spike in ODs

and

CBC - Fentanyl Crisis

This isn't just in my little corner of the world.

The City of Vancouver released new overdose numbers Friday that reflect a grim and escalating crisis. So far this year, 170 lives have been lost in Vancouver because of opioids. That adds up to 400 deaths projected by year's end.

Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson pulled no punches in describing how dire the situation has become.

"The near-record number of drug overdose deaths in the fentanyl crisis is a bloodbath in all corners of Vancouver with no end in sight," Robertson said in a statement.

Drug policy advocates say Vancouver's new overdose numbers are a wake-up call for emergency measures to be implemented.

"It's really a disaster that's unfolding. It's a public policy failure of a great extent," said Don MacPherson with the Canadian Drug Policy Coalition.

MacPherson characterized the incremental expansion of treatment and harm reduction services as painfully slow.

"We need that emergency mentality and the creation of a workforce that can deliver these broadly-based interventions," he said. "And [then] we might begin to turn this around."


stay safe out there

Van
Buz
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That's why trinket doesn't smoke it. I do agree, it's a bad idea.


Well, since neither of us, get those fucking voices out of my head, are schizophrenic we'll have to sit down and partake in some of northern California's finest.

Oh, I was wearing headphones and forgot. Good thing, I thought I was being possessed by the devil and he sounded like Mick Jagger. It was Sympathy For The Devil. Think I've smoked too much weed today and a few shots of Jack Daniels doesn't help. It's my bedtime.
Magical_felix
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Well, since neither of us, get those fucking voices out of my head, are schizophrenic we'll have to sit down and partake in some of northern California's finest.

Oh, I was wearing headphones and forgot. Good thing, I thought I was being possessed by the devil and he sounded like Mick Jagger. It was Sympathy For The Devil. Think I've smoked too much weed today and a few shots of Jack Daniels doesn't help. It's my bedtime.


Goodnight.
Dani
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With all due respect, trinket (which I rarely if ever associate with) didn't advocate that cannabis is the primary cause of psychotic disorders or the root of all evil in this world; she merely mentioned a 'link' between marijuana and schizophrenia. And a myriad of recently published scientific papers actually support her claim.


What a lot of those sources won't tell you is that links to marijuana and any medical/mental conditions down the line are related to adolescent use of marijuana.

Marijuana use risk factors during adolescence (which is a crucial time for brain development) are virtually non-existent once one reaches adulthood (or when the brain is fully developed, for the most part).

So check the ages of the participants of those studies.

I will say that none of this negates the fact that most recreational drug use begins in adolescence, so this sort of awareness of the long-term effects of recreational drug use is extremely important. But doing the whole 'drugs are bad' thing and listing their effects without any nuance is also irresponsible.

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Verbal
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I heard just last week that traffic fatalities have gone down in every state that has made medical/recreational marijuana legal. 11% over 28 states. I assume the inference in NOT that marijuana makes you a better driver (although an image of staring straight ahead driving 10 mph comes to mind), but that a percentage of people are choosing marijuana over alcohol or prescription opioids, both which make you a much worse driver.
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Never have done any drugs, and the five-or-so times I've tried various alcohol I've been crushingly disappointed, especially because it all tastes like floor wax to me. Also, having to watch my friend down 8 Jagerbombs and then run to the bathroom so I could hold her purse as she threw up is a turn-off as well.

One time, though, I transcended time and space by being extremely sick and taking Nyquil, and was able to pass Freebird on expert on GH with four stars.
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One time, though, I transcended time and space by being extremely sick and taking Nyquil, and was able to pass Freebird on expert on GH with four stars.


LOL.

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Buz
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I heard just last week that traffic fatalities have gone down in every state that has made medical/recreational marijuana legal. 11% over 28 states. I assume the inference in NOT that marijuana makes you a better driver (although an image of staring straight ahead driving 10 mph comes to mind), but that a percentage of people are choosing marijuana over alcohol or prescription opioids, both which make you a much worse driver.


I believe it's that most stoned people choose to stay where they are, usually a sofa or an easy chair, and not to drive. Driving stoned is still driving impaired. Driving way below the speed limit is very dangerous and stoned drivers only think they are driving straight. Stoned drovers don't do well with road signs, and can you imagine being totally fried while trying to follow your GPS?

Legalize marijuana but treat it much the same way as alcohol is treated. The sale of pot would make for great tax revenue on all tax levels, income tax, sales tax, business tax, etc. Legal marijuana could provide a large source for legal jobs if legalized from farm workers, to management, to marketing, to hiring more state troopers to control impaired riving.
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It depends on what the recreational drugs are. There is a shit load of differences between pot and drugs like Ecstasy, meth, cocaine and crack. The prescription drug phenomenal has made the news quite a bit lately. Where do you draw the line from recreational, social, and addictive substances? I have no problem taking a drink now and then but for many alcohol is a real problem.

The way most drugs work is to change brain chemistry or to deprive brain cells of oxygen. I stopped most of that when I got out college and started raising a family. My lava lamp went to the Goodwill along with my Brick and plank bookshelves.