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LOL right? Poor Terry, just wanted to hear how what part of the rainbow the girls like to taste, and ended up in a sociology study group!
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I feel like getting a bit racial.
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LOL right? Poor Terry, just wanted to hear how what part of the rainbow the girls like to taste, and ended up in a sociology study group!
Probably he's just given up and is tasting the rainbow as we type.
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quite honestly, no. hotness is hotness to me - i grew up in a black neighborhood, dated blacks, mexicans, slept with asians, had crushes on indian girls, there's no preference for me, i love people of all color.
ps - if Jack is reading this, i just thought i'd toss this in: from my experience, Mexican men have small penises. The rest of you can ignore that remark :)
And white girls are full of shit! Plus, when they say that it's only cause the want to see it really bad...
And yeah it doesnt make you racist to not be attracted to a certain race. I'd go one step further and say that I am attracted to a specific type WITHIN a race. Like for example, I've mostly had crushes and dated brunette women. It is what I am most attracted to, if you see my track record, I prefer lighter skinned women. That goes for mexican and asian women too. I am just attracted to light skinned brunette women. Race has nothing to do with it really.
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Probably he's just given up and is tasting the rainbow as we type.
Sorry, but no. Going though a dry spell. And I never thought people would get into it like they did. But I'm actually glad. Nothing I love more than intelligent conversation. Keep it up, please.
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Wow! Things got a little crazy...
A hot sexy woman is a hot sexy woman! Thank God for different races, that gives us some delicious spice in life!
Chocolate, Strawberry, Peach, Vanilla, Moca, Banana, etc. ain't nothin' like a hot naked swirl.
A hot sexy woman is a hot sexy woman! Thank God for different races, that gives us some delicious spice in life!
Chocolate, Strawberry, Peach, Vanilla, Moca, Banana, etc. ain't nothin' like a hot naked swirl.
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I love swirls!!!! lol
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I love swirls!!!! lol
Don't we all
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As I was El Geekoid in my youth, I didn't care, as long as a guy actually paid some attention to me I was happy. (Pathetic, yes) In college I dated both a Hispanic guy and an Asian guy and my folks went insane over it. Both of them treated me nicely, both of them made me happy (at the time) so I just didn't see any big deal. Still don't see it myself. As long as the guy's nice, and frankly, there's assholes of all races, creeds and colors. I will confess to digging Asians as far as girls go, but then, that's just a fantasy (Asians AND Sandra Bullock).
Racism, however, SUCKS. You can't say that "all blacks" or "all whites", because that is just incredibly stupid. I did have some ask me if I was prejudiced towards anyone, and I replied, "Yes, bigoted assholes."
Racism, however, SUCKS. You can't say that "all blacks" or "all whites", because that is just incredibly stupid. I did have some ask me if I was prejudiced towards anyone, and I replied, "Yes, bigoted assholes."
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Summa,
Welcome back we have been awaiting your return.
I find it very interesting how you have taken the topic on sexual preferences and turned it into a question of being racist. People were posting on who they would be attracted to, then you have completely de-railed this thread.
Another thing that I find funny is that you say in your profile you are Canadian but you have posted on this thread and identified that you are American....are you trying to hide something?
Well you sure have ruffled some feathers here and the fact that you have attacked a few good friends of mine here is not cool.
Good luck in the forums we all are a pretty tight bunch and look out for each other. After this thread you will have peaked a lot of peoples interest in what you post here. Again welcome back.
hey im not planning on going through every post in this thread (most of them would involve me restating things ive already said, if my arguments are at all unclear im happy to clarify, but im not going to bog this down any further than it already is) but this post is addressed specifically to me so ill respond to it.
if youd actually looked at my profile you would know that im an american (i.e. i was born and raised in the states) but i currently live in canada.
i am very saddened that people here have used the fact that i called out specific people and instances of problematic behavior in this thread as an excuse to ignore the arguments i presented. i agree that racism is serious and that it is not something to be thrown about lightly, but i also do not believe (as some posters, specifically sprite and bambi, seem to) that calling someone a racist is the same as saying that htey are a horrible irredeemable person forever. as i posted earlier in the thread and have reiterated several times, i have not met a non-racist person ever and i do not believe that one exists. the thing to be done when confronted with your own racism (as i have attempted to do here) is to stop doing those racist things.
if you choose to double down, deny, and derail rather than confront this, that is what makes you an unrepentant racist, and that is what i will condemn.
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after lots of careful consideration, i have decided that yes, i AM a racist. i plan on devoting my day to removing anyone from my friends list not of Norwegian descent. also, i have given my wife a 3 day notice that she needs to vacate and find herself a new girlfriend. we have two cats, one who is orange, and one who is brown. guess which one is going to the pound today. yep, you guessed it, brown kitty. thank you for opening my eyes.
btw, if you think by this post i don't take racism seriously, Summa, you are sadly mistaken. i think the issue here is that you are either a troll or sadly misguided. if you really want to fight racism, put your money where your mouth is - posting some snarky accusations on a thread at a sex site isn't going to do a damn thing, especially when the people you are trying to educate probably have a firmer grasp of the subject then you do and have seen the effects of real racism first hand.
and that, folks, is my last word on the subject.
aaaand now you've made me angry. who the fuck are you to accuse me of not "really" wanting to fight racism? or that i havent "seen the effects of real racism first hand"?
and frankly for someone who thinks she knows all she ever needs to about racism, its very saddening to see your apparent belief that the only people who are racist are extreme white supremacists. frankly, the much more insidious and damaging types of racism (in this particular society) are the everyday kinds that go unexamined and unquestioned, like the sort of thing that i tried to point out in this thread. if i have inspired even one reader to re-examine their unquestioned biases, i will consider this a success, on some degree.
i am sorry that your last words on the subject are defensive and hateful lashing out, i would prefer us to remain civil.
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More often than not the person screaming 'racist' is actually the real racist.
hey, this is just a reminder that "pointing out racism is the real racism" is both untrue and actively contributes to the denial of the existence institutionalized racism in our society, and as such enables its perpetuation. cut it out.
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I am not afraid one bit to say I am a racist - if racist means preference.
I am racist against cock sizes - I prefer a medium thick one to a long thin one.
I am racist against brands - I prefer a certain brand, especially when it comes to food - fuck the tasteless noname shit LOL.
I am racist against erotic story sites - I don't even look at others. I don't even know if there are others.
I am racist against computers - I prefer my tablet over my PC. I also prefer Android over Apple.
Am I racist against skin color or race? or prefer one over the other? - Nah, it's all the same when the lights are turned off
So if you want to call me a racist - fine, go ahead
lol. you seem a little unclear about what racism is, but this post isnt racist, so gj i guess.
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I am not afraid one bit to say I am a racist - if racist means preference.
I am racist against cock sizes - I prefer a medium thick one to a long thin one.
I am racist against brands - I prefer a certain brand, especially when it comes to food - fuck the tasteless noname shit LOL.
I am racist against erotic story sites - I don't even look at others. I don't even know if there are others.
I am racist against computers - I prefer my tablet over my PC. I also prefer Android over Apple.
Am I racist against skin color or race? or prefer one over the other? - Nah, it's all the same when the lights are turned off
So if you want to call me a racist - fine, go ahead
lol. you seem a little unclear about what racism is, but this post isnt racist, so gj i guess.
Actually, I think Fugs knew precisely what she was doing, and she got it exactly right in her own inimitable fashion.
Cassie, you seem to be equating preference with prejudice. By substituting other preferences for what you are dogmatically terming racism, Fugs has pointed out the holes in your argument.
As much as I like Sprite — she's intelligent, witty and cute as a button ;-) — I am not sexually attracted to her. Does that mean I'm misogynistic or homophobic? No, it means I'm straight. I also happen to prefer tall men...but that doesn't mean I hate short people.
If I were to say I wouldn't vote for someone for president because of his or her race, or didn't want those people living on my street — that is racism, and it should be opposed with every fiber of our beings. But a preference can be a preference, nothing more. Not everything is based on hatred or nefarious motives.
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lol. you seem a little unclear about what racism is, but this post isnt racist, so gj i guess.
If you truly wanted to fight racism, then you'd fight ACTUAL racism. Your intentions are quite clear. Your facade is already been seen through. Nice try though.
The thought that there is no such thing as a non-racist person is idiotic. Nothing else you can say on the matter will have any merit. Move along.
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If you truly wanted to fight racism, then you'd fight ACTUAL racism. Your intentions are quite clear. Your facade is already been seen through. Nice try though.
The thought that there is no such thing as a non-racist person is idiotic. Nothing else you can say on the matter will have any merit. Move along.
Not taking anyone's side here but I can't agree with this statement 100%. I mean, I know what you mean.. Not everyone is a racist to the point of actively displaying their racism. But it is not idiotic at all that some people believe that no one is truly non-racist. It is just the way our brains work. We tend to categorize our experiences in our memory depending if they were positive or negative. Just like anything else we learn from these experiences to develop an expected outcome when confronted with certain situations, including people. There is a reason that a racist joke will most likely produce laughter or anger. It's because we are all very aware of race all the time.
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after lots of careful consideration, i have decided that yes, i AM a racist. i plan on devoting my day to removing anyone from my friends list not of Norwegian descent. also, i have given my wife a 3 day notice that she needs to vacate and find herself a new girlfriend. we have two cats, one who is orange, and one who is brown. guess which one is going to the pound today. yep, you guessed it, brown kitty. thank you for opening my eyes.
btw, if you think by this post i don't take racism seriously, Summa, you are sadly mistaken. i think the issue here is that you are either a troll or sadly misguided. if you really want to fight racism, put your money where your mouth is - posting some snarky accusations on a thread at a sex site isn't going to do a damn thing, especially when the people you are trying to educate probably have a firmer grasp of the subject then you do and have seen the effects of real racism first hand.
and that, folks, is my last word on the subject.
OH NO!!! Well my GF is about 1/8 Norwegian and parts of her are often in me so I must be part Norwegian by now. And I have a Norwegian Forest Cat. I hope that counts!!
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Okay, I'll try again lol
Cassie,
Oh, I understand racism all to well. I am embarrassed and frustrated (even disgusted) to say that my own mother is a racist. I have told her it is wrong, I have tried to educate her, but as with your argument, she will not admit she is racist although she 'hates and despises' the true descendants of my country and makes stupid statements that they do not belong here or anywhere else for that matter. Yes, I do understand racism and some of what you are saying.
But with this thread, it was asked of us if we preferred a certain race sexually and this is where you have us all wrong and you yourself are wrong - it has nothing to do with hate or despising a certain race, it is about preference. Having a sexual preference for race, color, size etc will not make you racist. I'm white, but I love the look of a lean glistening naked black man when he is hot and sweaty. Now does that make a racist against whites, NO. I do not hate or despise white men, and even though I have never slept with a black man, to me, some black men are more sexually appealing. In other words, I PREFER lean black men visually more then white men. I will still fuck and love both, but get that little more wetter seeing a hot naked black man.
Now if I came in here and said I only like black men because they all have big cocks and all white's have tiny cocks, again that it is not racist, that is bad stereotyping.
But if I came in here and said that I would not sleep with any black or white or whatever because they are a vile race or that they should go back to the fields (sorry, this is only for an example - not the way I feel) then that is racist. Noone has come in and said anything like that. Repeat, we have just stated our sexual preferences.
You remind me of another member we once had. Storm argued over and over that we were not doing anything about saving the world, yet like you, when asked 'what are you doing about it?', he could not give us an answer. Calling out people and insulting them by saying they are racist is not doing you or the fight for racism any good. It will only close ears rather than open them. Learn to be more tactful rather than insulting.
If you want us to understand and listen to you, then please have the same respect and listen to us and do not put words into our mouths. That is all I ask.
Cassie,
Oh, I understand racism all to well. I am embarrassed and frustrated (even disgusted) to say that my own mother is a racist. I have told her it is wrong, I have tried to educate her, but as with your argument, she will not admit she is racist although she 'hates and despises' the true descendants of my country and makes stupid statements that they do not belong here or anywhere else for that matter. Yes, I do understand racism and some of what you are saying.
But with this thread, it was asked of us if we preferred a certain race sexually and this is where you have us all wrong and you yourself are wrong - it has nothing to do with hate or despising a certain race, it is about preference. Having a sexual preference for race, color, size etc will not make you racist. I'm white, but I love the look of a lean glistening naked black man when he is hot and sweaty. Now does that make a racist against whites, NO. I do not hate or despise white men, and even though I have never slept with a black man, to me, some black men are more sexually appealing. In other words, I PREFER lean black men visually more then white men. I will still fuck and love both, but get that little more wetter seeing a hot naked black man.
Now if I came in here and said I only like black men because they all have big cocks and all white's have tiny cocks, again that it is not racist, that is bad stereotyping.
But if I came in here and said that I would not sleep with any black or white or whatever because they are a vile race or that they should go back to the fields (sorry, this is only for an example - not the way I feel) then that is racist. Noone has come in and said anything like that. Repeat, we have just stated our sexual preferences.
You remind me of another member we once had. Storm argued over and over that we were not doing anything about saving the world, yet like you, when asked 'what are you doing about it?', he could not give us an answer. Calling out people and insulting them by saying they are racist is not doing you or the fight for racism any good. It will only close ears rather than open them. Learn to be more tactful rather than insulting.
If you want us to understand and listen to you, then please have the same respect and listen to us and do not put words into our mouths. That is all I ask.
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You remind me of another member we once had. Storm argued over and over that we were not doing anything about saving the world, yet like you, when asked 'what are you doing about it?', he could not give us an answer.
Damn, I had no clue that saving the world was now part of the requirement for Lush membership...
I might as well delete my account now and get it over with...is that what you're saying?
Heck, I'm having enough trouble saving some of this joint for tomorrow...forget about saving the world, it ain't happening tonight anyway...
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Ladies, do you prefer to fuck a person of a specific race? Which and why?
I can't say that I do... The area where I was brought up was predominantly white, so there was no option to 'fuck' anyone other than white guys.
As I've gotten older and moved further afield, I'd have to say that I find people attractive based on my interaction with them, rather than the way they look.
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Sorry, but no. Going though a dry spell. And I never thought people would get into it like they did. But I'm actually glad. Nothing I love more than intelligent conversation. Keep it up, please.
Then I would say the dry times make the wet times better. Or something...
I see they are keeping it up well; it's impressive.
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Then I would say the dry times make the wet times better. Or something...
I see they are keeping it up well; it's impressive.
They really are. This is amazing. And I hope it does make the wet times better. I don't even remember my last wet time.
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Actually, I think Fugs knew precisely what she was doing, and she got it exactly right in her own inimitable fashion.
Cassie, you seem to be equating preference with prejudice. By substituting other preferences for what you are dogmatically terming racism, Fugs has pointed out the holes in your argument.
"I don't want those people living near me"
"I don't want those people holding political office"
"I don't want to date those people"
I am absolutely not equating racism with preference. If I have a preference to only hire white people, I am a racist. If I have a preference to only vote for white people, I am racist. If I have a preference to only be attracted to white people, I am racist.
Phrasing it as a preference rather than a prejudice does soften the delivery somewhat, I admit, but it does not change the fundamental message.
This is not complicated at all.
As much as I like Sprite — she's intelligent, witty and cute as a button ;-) — I am not sexually attracted to her. Does that mean I'm misogynistic or homophobic? No, it means I'm straight. I also happen to prefer tall men...but that doesn't mean I hate short people.
I have already posted about the difference between race and gender, this is a flawed analogy.
If I were to say I wouldn't vote for someone for president because of his or her race, or didn't want those people living on my street — that is racism, and it should be opposed with every fiber of our beings. But a preference can be a preference, nothing more. Not everything is based on hatred or nefarious motives.
not all racism is based on nefarious motives, most of it is unconscious and not noticed by the racist until someone points it out. that doesn't make it less racist.
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If you truly wanted to fight racism, then you'd fight ACTUAL racism. Your intentions are quite clear. Your facade is already been seen through. Nice try though.
What on earth makes you think I don't fight racism? Do you really honestly think that my activism on this issue is limited to this thread? Even if it was, would that have any bearing on the validity of what I have to say?
If you have a problem with the points I'm making, please address the issues you find problematic, but I would appreciate it if we would not make baseless personal attacks in here.
The thought that there is no such thing as a non-racist person is idiotic.
I've been thinking about this a lot since my last post, and I have to say that I'm not entirely sure about the matter, but I do know that the vast majority of people in the world are racist, and I believe my motives at the time of the statement you mentioned were to mollify the people who take offense at being labelled racist by reminding them that they are not alone and that this sort of unconscious, unexamined racism is a common feature, certainly among people living in the first world, and, I suspect, elsewhere as well.
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Oh, I understand racism all to well. I am embarrassed and frustrated (even disgusted) to say that my own mother is a racist. I have told her it is wrong, I have tried to educate her, but as with your argument, she will not admit she is racist although she 'hates and despises' the true descendants of my country and makes stupid statements that they do not belong here or anywhere else for that matter. Yes, I do understand racism and some of what you are saying.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother, that sounds like a very unpleasant situation.
But with this thread, it was asked of us if we preferred a certain race sexually and this is where you have us all wrong and you yourself are wrong - it has nothing to do with hate or despising a certain race, it is about preference. Having a sexual preference for race, color, size etc will not make you racist. I'm white, but I love the look of a lean glistening naked black man when he is hot and sweaty. Now does that make a racist against whites, NO. I do not hate or despise white men, and even though I have never slept with a black man, to me, some black men are more sexually appealing. In other words, I PREFER lean black men visually more then white men. I will still fuck and love both, but get that little more wetter seeing a hot naked black man.
Now if I came in here and said I only like black men because they all have big cocks and all white's have tiny cocks, again that it is not racist, that is bad stereotyping.
How on earth is that last statement not racist? That's one of the most racist things I've ever read.
But if I came in here and said that I would not sleep with any black or white or whatever because they are a vile race or that they should go back to the fields (sorry, this is only for an example - not the way I feel) then that is racist. Noone has come in and said anything like that. Repeat, we have just stated our sexual preferences.
a sexual preference for a certain race is racist. This fact will not change no matter how much people try to justify it. I could go in depth (as much or more so than I already have) as to the socially constructed nature of race (hint: race is not an immutable thing, the classifications of races (i.e. how many peopel think there are and who qualifies) have changed drastically over the years, how there's much more variation within races than between them, and so on) the context of the discourse in this thread, and how obvious and ugly the racism here has been, but I don't really think it would help at this point, it's already clear that most of you aren't actually reading or considering what I have to say, perhaps yelling will help, since nothing else seems to.
You remind me of another member we once had. Storm argued over and over that we were not doing anything about saving the world, yet like you, when asked 'what are you doing about it?', he could not give us an answer. Calling out people and insulting them by saying they are racist is not doing you or the fight for racism any good. It will only close ears rather than open them. Learn to be more tactful rather than insulting.
I don't know the history of this forum but I am well acquainted with the sort of trolling you're describing. It's ironic that people are using it on me in this very thread, asking me to justify the posts I've done in this thread by reference to some other anti-racist activity that they consider more legitimate (or "real"). However, I am not Storm and I am not asking all that much of y'all, only that you remain open to criticism and self-criticism and work to end racist behavior when you become aware of it. I am not asking you to become revolutionaries or to fix the entire world, I am asking you to stop contributing, in this specific (admittedly small) way, to the horrible oppressive systems in which we live.
If you want us to understand and listen to you, then please have the same respect and listen to us and do not put words into our mouths. That is all I ask.I have put words in nobody's mouth, my arguments in this thread have drawn overwhelmingly on the posts people have made here.
I said this before and I will say it again, if someone can inform me of a more "tactful" way to tell people who are being racist that they are being racist, I will happily do so. I will not, however, be silenced. I will not accept blatant racism uncritically, I will not acquiesce to your (or anyone else's) desire for this issue to remain unexamined and undiscussed.
I want to again stress that I bear nobody in this thread any particular ill will (except perhaps a little bit for the posters who have insulted me personally) and I do hope that we can all be friends. However, if our friendship comes at the cost of my silence, that is too dear a price to pay.
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I am absolutely not equating racism with preference. If I have a preference to only hire white people, I am a racist. If I have a preference to only vote for white people, I am racist. If I have a preference to only be attracted to white people, I am racist.
No one is coming in here and saying they are ONLY attracted to a certain race. Please stop using 'only' - no one else is. That is how you are turning this topic into members being racist when they are not.
How on earth is that last statement not racist? That's one of the most racist things I've ever read.
So if I wrote 'Men with big thumbs mean that they have big cocks' would be considered racist as well, not stereotyping? I must admit that I was in a rush when I wrote that sentence you referred to; it should not have said 'I only like black men because....' I should have said 'came in here and said that all black men have big cocks and all white's have tiny cocks'. I deserve being called out on that one lol, but still, it was an example and not anything anyone has said, nor did I mean it. Not every remark has to be racist. So if you wish to call me a racist for that mistake, please do if that is what makes you happy. It doesn't really bother me as I know who and what I am.
a sexual preference for a certain race is racist.
How can this be racist??? I can understand if it was stated that you had a sexual preference for a certain race AND hate all other races, but this is just clearly favoring one race over another, the same as favoring white wine over red wine. Racism is hate, preference is just that.
I said this before and I will say it again, if someone can inform me of a more "tactful" way to tell people who are being racist that they are being racist, I will happily do so. I will not, however, be silenced. I will not accept blatant racism uncritically, I will not acquiesce to your (or anyone else's) desire for this issue to remain unexamined and undiscussed.
The most tactful way to tell people who YOU THINK is racist is not to publicly call them a racist without even knowing that person - and just because you say it is so, doesn't necessary mean it is. Just a friendly bit of advice, please do not assume that you or this discussion can not be silenced, trolling (I am saying this as you are making it a point to single out members and to turn every remark into a racist remark) and being insulting to members is a very good way to be silenced.
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I somehow find it disturbing that this conversation is still going on. I must not understand social issues well
Preference doesn't mean that one is simply eliminating all other options, but that one is liked more.
i.e. "I prefer black men because I like them more," is different than "I prefer black men because they are the only thing I like," is that "like them more" still shows that you like other races; this point in the topic being is that "preference," along with its connotations, are being grossly misjudged and construed.
That being said, if Summa would like to actually provide how she defines racism, the conversation would probably go better. Seeing as how most people don't like to be shot down randomly for something they don't see the same on, the majority of people will turn to a definition; this was already done, however, and it was not corrected by Summa, the one who brought up racism blatantly. My question is this: where are we supposed to look to find what racism means according to Summa? As of now-- and, yes, I've read this entire thread, through-- Summa is the only person who has yet to provide a definition of racism while shooting down every example and definition that has been given. At this point, it's equivalent to a math teacher (Summa, in this case) telling everyone (the rest of lush) is doing an equation incorrectly without showing the students why, how, and/or where they are messing up. All this leaves is headache and anger. Expecting everyone to magically agree with you about racism without knowing how you're defining it is quite a feat that leaves everyone to direct their anger towards you when you are the one who brought the accusations to light. It's ridiculous to believe that people will randomly side with you on a subject/topic when you are not fully explaining it to them.
In the traditional views, this thread is not racist. In the view of Summa, whatever that may be, it is.
That being said, I prefer nothing. I'm used to white men only because they pursue me more often than anyone else-- including gender, not even touching on their sexuality. Do I think that they're better? Nope. Do I prefer them? Nope. Am I used to them? Yup.
i.e. "I prefer black men because I like them more," is different than "I prefer black men because they are the only thing I like," is that "like them more" still shows that you like other races; this point in the topic being is that "preference," along with its connotations, are being grossly misjudged and construed.
That being said, if Summa would like to actually provide how she defines racism, the conversation would probably go better. Seeing as how most people don't like to be shot down randomly for something they don't see the same on, the majority of people will turn to a definition; this was already done, however, and it was not corrected by Summa, the one who brought up racism blatantly. My question is this: where are we supposed to look to find what racism means according to Summa? As of now-- and, yes, I've read this entire thread, through-- Summa is the only person who has yet to provide a definition of racism while shooting down every example and definition that has been given. At this point, it's equivalent to a math teacher (Summa, in this case) telling everyone (the rest of lush) is doing an equation incorrectly without showing the students why, how, and/or where they are messing up. All this leaves is headache and anger. Expecting everyone to magically agree with you about racism without knowing how you're defining it is quite a feat that leaves everyone to direct their anger towards you when you are the one who brought the accusations to light. It's ridiculous to believe that people will randomly side with you on a subject/topic when you are not fully explaining it to them.
In the traditional views, this thread is not racist. In the view of Summa, whatever that may be, it is.
That being said, I prefer nothing. I'm used to white men only because they pursue me more often than anyone else-- including gender, not even touching on their sexuality. Do I think that they're better? Nope. Do I prefer them? Nope. Am I used to them? Yup.
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Not taking anyone's side here but I can't agree with this statement 100%. I mean, I know what you mean.. Not everyone is a racist to the point of actively displaying their racism. But it is not idiotic at all that some people believe that no one is truly non-racist. It is just the way our brains work. We tend to categorize our experiences in our memory depending if they were positive or negative. Just like anything else we learn from these experiences to develop an expected outcome when confronted with certain situations, including people. There is a reason that a racist joke will most likely produce laughter or anger. It's because we are all very aware of race all the time.
To think that there is not one single person on this great big planet that isn't racist is just crazy to me. If all 7billion people on the Earth are or have some form of racists views then we just need to go ahead and nuke the whole damn place and let nature start over. Experience is the universal teacher, but I don't think that it leads every human being to racism of varying degrees.
An infant/toddler child born and living in the jungle of South America. I doubt he is racist.
Surely there is some monk or nun or priest or other spiritual person that isn't racist.
A grown child of mixed raced parents would have seen racism from both sides. Would likely grow up to accepting of everyone.
I just can't accept that we as a global people are so far gone and jaded that none of us has been able to move past the color of our skin. Maybe I'm just being an idealist? Being aware of race, especially when presented in a comedy routine by Chris Rock in a comedy club doesn't equate into subconscious racism. Many people aren't racist but are prejudiced. And many are neither. Just my humble uneducated opinion.
Btw, where is the line between prejudice and racism? I have a hard time differentiating between the two. Or even if there's any difference at all?
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I have read every post on this thread twice now, trying to really understand everyones point of view, or lack of a point of view. And to try to see how having a preference on who you like to have sex with is considered racism or being predjudiced. I have my preferences on what physical traits I prefer in a sex partner and that is most definitely NOT racism. While I have never had sex with a black person, mainly because right sitaution has never presented itself, and I will admit that on a whole I am more attracted to while men and women beacuse that is what i am used to. That makes me a racist? That is fucking rediculous.
If I am not sexualy attracted to an 80yo man, does that mean I am against the elderly? If a man doesnt want to have sex with a gay man, does that make him anti gay? Personally, I respect people from all races and religions, as long as they earn that respect. Two of my best friends in the world are black and I would trust them with my life.
Would I hire a black person, absolutely!! Would I work for a black person, absolutely!! Would I be upset if one of my daughters married a black man, absolutely NOT!!
Sexual perference and racism/predudice are not related!!! My sexual preference is men and women with dark hair and blue or green eyes, if that makes me a raciist in your eyes, then so be it.
The only thing I am predjudiced against is ignorance. And I have read a lot of very ignorant statements today!!!
If I am not sexualy attracted to an 80yo man, does that mean I am against the elderly? If a man doesnt want to have sex with a gay man, does that make him anti gay? Personally, I respect people from all races and religions, as long as they earn that respect. Two of my best friends in the world are black and I would trust them with my life.
Would I hire a black person, absolutely!! Would I work for a black person, absolutely!! Would I be upset if one of my daughters married a black man, absolutely NOT!!
Sexual perference and racism/predudice are not related!!! My sexual preference is men and women with dark hair and blue or green eyes, if that makes me a raciist in your eyes, then so be it.
The only thing I am predjudiced against is ignorance. And I have read a lot of very ignorant statements today!!!
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To think that there is not one single person on this great big planet that isn't racist is just crazy to me. If all 7billion people on the Earth are or have some form of racists views then we just need to go ahead and nuke the whole damn place and let nature start over. Experience is the universal teacher, but I don't think that it leads every human being to racism of varying degrees.
An infant/toddler child born and living in the jungle of South America. I doubt he is racist.
Surely there is some monk or nun or priest or other spiritual person that isn't racist.
A grown child of mixed raced parents would have seen racism from both sides. Would likely grow up to accepting of everyone.
I just can't accept that we as a global people are so far gone and jaded that none of us has been able to move past the color of our skin. Maybe I'm just being an idealist? Being aware of race, especially when presented in a comedy routine by Chris Rock in a comedy club doesn't equate into subconscious racism. Many people aren't racist but are prejudiced. And many are neither. Just my humble uneducated opinion.
Btw, where is the line between prejudice and racism? I have a hard time differentiating between the two. Or even if there's any difference at all?
Well prejudice and racism are different things. One can be prejudice against the young, old, poor, rich, men, women etc.
This article below is a study done at Georgia Tech. It touches on built in racism in all people from learned experiences. Mainly entertainment in this case. It's not that having racist instincts or thoughts here and there makes anyone racist, it's just the way our brains work. It's impossible to have your brain change the way it works, in the way it categorizes everything, when it comes to race. Of course most of us aren't people that let these split second gut reactions influence our actions. Like say you are sitting in an airplane and two young arab men sit by you, and your brain may have some kind of unfair thought toward them... It's natural. Those same two men probably had some kind of unfair thought about you too. The same way that sometimes men will have a sexual thought when they see a beautiful women cross their path. Doesn't make the man a sexist, pervert or anything. Its a gut reaction our brains have. If you were to grope the woman then you might be labeled a pervert. But just because you didn't grope the woman doesn't mean you didn't sexualize her in your brain. Racism is the same thing, just because most normal people don't act on their thoughts doesn't mean that racism isn't inherent in all of us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2043685/Everyones-bit-racist-fault-Blame-TV-magazines-say-scientists.html
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An infant/toddler child born and living in the jungle of South America. I doubt he is racist.
Surely there is some monk or nun or priest or other spiritual person that isn't racist.
A grown child of mixed raced parents would have seen racism from both sides. Would likely grow up to accepting of everyone.
I think these examples have little to do with our society but that toddler in the jungle will probably grow up to learn that people from other jungle tribes are bad and to steer clear of them. Introducing someone like that to society might be a bit interesting too. They would probably focus on physical differences more than normal people would since they wouldn't be used to it at all.
Also, just because someone is of mixed race and saw racism from both sides doesn't really make them un-racist... I have a black/white friend that has racist thoughts towards indian people. He sometimes says them out loud. It's stupid of him. He also sometimes is quick to think white people are prejudice against him cause he's black.. He's half white but he has racist thoughts in the way that he believes white people will be racist toward him. He is just one example though... I have known many mixed race people, dated them, worked with them, been friends with them. They are like everyone else.
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Many people aren't racist but are prejudiced. And many are neither. Just my humble uneducated opinion.
This statement here is interesting to me and maybe will help me make a point. By stating your opinion is uneducated like that you assume people that are educated might dismiss what you say simply because they feel smarter than you. These kind of assumptions that educated people don't value uneducated people's opinions as much as their own might have developed through cultural osmosis. "People with educations are elitists and upper crust assholes" It doesn't make you prejudice against the educated, but it is an assumption that might not be fair.
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I understand what you're saying. I just disagree. Just as you say, "The same way that sometimes men will have a sexual thought when they see a beautiful women cross their path. Doesn't make the man a sexist, pervert or anything. Its a gut reaction our brains have. If you were to grope the woman then you might be labeled a pervert." Having a brief thought based on color doesn't necessarily mean a person IS a racist. In my own thoughts I'm a sexual God... in reality, not so much. lol
Actions vs thoughts are where I would draw the line. Some people may have racist thoughts and act on them. Some racists are easy to spot. Others are more careful in their ways. Where they live, who they do business with, and so on. Seeing 2 Arab men on a plane and having a momentary scare yet doing nothing is a far cry from seeing them and then demanding their removal, having them searched, or disembarking altogether.
I think that a people that are raised by mixed couples are less likely to be racist. Sure, some grow up to be jaded. But I'd think it's less common. Just like a person raised by 2 moms or 2 dads will grow up to not be homophobic. More than likely.
My uneducated opinion... there was no subtext to it. I just meant it as I have not done any research to back up anything I said. All opinion. I had no thoughts about whether more educated people are or are not smarter than I. In my life I've known just as many intelligent people who were educated as I have who weren't. Conversely, I've known quite a few educated people who were dumb as a brick. It was an innocuous statement with no venom or hidden prejudice or agenda. Just a little self-deprication.
Actions vs thoughts are where I would draw the line. Some people may have racist thoughts and act on them. Some racists are easy to spot. Others are more careful in their ways. Where they live, who they do business with, and so on. Seeing 2 Arab men on a plane and having a momentary scare yet doing nothing is a far cry from seeing them and then demanding their removal, having them searched, or disembarking altogether.
I think that a people that are raised by mixed couples are less likely to be racist. Sure, some grow up to be jaded. But I'd think it's less common. Just like a person raised by 2 moms or 2 dads will grow up to not be homophobic. More than likely.
My uneducated opinion... there was no subtext to it. I just meant it as I have not done any research to back up anything I said. All opinion. I had no thoughts about whether more educated people are or are not smarter than I. In my life I've known just as many intelligent people who were educated as I have who weren't. Conversely, I've known quite a few educated people who were dumb as a brick. It was an innocuous statement with no venom or hidden prejudice or agenda. Just a little self-deprication.
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Sexual attraction can be very visual. Race is often manifested as a visual "type". A preference for a certain visual type when it comes to sexual attraction does not IMHO equate to racism. When I have a sexual fantasy, I usually have a certain visual type in mind. If that most frequent fantasy is not a black man, I don't think that makes me racist when it comes to black men.
I think the people who will admit to sexual attraction to a certain visual type are generally honest rather than racist. The racists won't admit it.
I think the people who will admit to sexual attraction to a certain visual type are generally honest rather than racist. The racists won't admit it.
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