I think I've walk this road before.
And I will NOT say anymore.
Bat
All of us have our own preferences. We like what we like and nobody can tell us differently. Lush simply provides many different types of stories and she never once said she approves of every single category.
It's like being a chef and being expected to enjoy every item on the menu. The chef makes the food for the public's consumption; not necessarily hers.
She's provided a place for people to enjoy all kinds of ADULT writing, and, at the same time, enforces the rules as she sees fit. It's her site and if somebody doesn't agree with her philosophy, they're invited to start up their own.
Good point Rocco. I hate kidneys but I sure can cook the piss outta them.
Very good points made Durrasch and welcome to the forums.
I'm not really "into" stories, but I'll read one if it is well written. I separate the fantasy from reality, those news stories make me ill. The news is real the story is fiction.
is usually a squick for me - I've only found a bare handful of stories I've cared for. On the other hand, a great deal of what I write is inappropriate for Lush in other ways mentioned in this thread, and therefore not posted to the site. In my own defense and respectfully, writing stories on the darker side isn't necessarily a sign of an unstable individual (a warped mind, maybe) - fantasies are exactly that. I have moral reprehension for many of the scenarios I write if they would ever occur in the real world. I believe , for example, should qualify for capital punishment. But that doesn't mean that those specters don't stalk the imagination and turn some people on as warped extremes of control fantasies. In the case that started this thread, the true horror was not so much the (though one can make the case that any parent-child - even if the child is no longer a minor - is abusive because of the power dynamic involved), but the systematic abuse within that incestuous relationship.
Durrasch,
I believe in freedom of expression, too. But along with that comes responsibility and when it involves a private site, respect. Yes, there are sites that post that stuff and people can go THERE to read them. This site isn't public domain or done by a government; no one has a "right" to post whatever the hell they want on here. The rules were made the way they are and we've found a lot of people agree with them. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here.
At the same time, this site does give a lot of freedom for writers; more than many others. Look at all those categories. When people abuse that freedom and break the rules in here, it's an act of disrespect towards the owner and the members that agreed to our terms.
still relatively new arounf here but i'll offer my observations. it seems that quite a few stories are about . regardless of how many people come in through the door it seems to be a topic that keeps them here. perhaps because it is accepted in this erotic story site people stay to indulge in what may not be allowed on other sites. for both reading and writing.
but that just imho.
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I've refrained from offering my two cents worth... mostly because I don't think it's that different from most people, and it's MY opinion in which case I don't feel justified in foisting it off onto others. I do enjoy reading what other people have to say on any variety of subjects, which is the main reason why I visit the forums as often as I do...
With regard to stories of this nature, not my thing, but I will NOT judge someone else for enjoying their own fantasies. This particular problematic situation has come up in my own personal life any number of times. Most recently because my bf enjoys reading about sexual subjects which most would find... odd to say the least but which turn him on. I have written some stories for him for his enjoyment (and my benefit hee hee) but they are not anything which I would willing read.
And that's my two cents... change please?
Ling
Its a difficult point and one that is hotly contested
First of all is the legal argument. I wrote a story that depicted an obvious age play scenario. A 35year woman old acting as a 16 year old schoolgirl. The site I tried to post it too banned me as I was posting stories that were depicting under age sex. When I complained I was told that it is the perceived age that is important, not actual age. My problem is that here in the UK 16 is legal, where as in the US, in some states it is 18.
Over and above the legal argument however is the moral one. Any of us can write a story depicting any number of abhorrent issues, death scat and Paedophillia amongst others, but it is our conscience that does not allow us to post them or allow others to see them. The fact that there are people out there who will trawl sites looking for material such as that is immaterial, I for one write for myself and am gratified if others enjoy it and therefore I am not going to write stuff I don't like.
and are good borderline, edgy subjects and stories of have been around for many years. I mean look at John Milton's Paradise Lost, where Satan commits with his daughter and their child, Death, rapes his mother. High Literature or obscene porn?
In all things let your moral compass be your guide
Oh and by the way, this is my first post, so Hello to all
Hive
So now people are going to be persecuted on fantasy and thought? Nope not in my world. The "soft sciences" need to stop borrowing trouble.
What kind of society have we become to judge people on what they think. A little Orwellian aren't we? Wait, I think I hear Hitler sneaking aroung somewhere.
Phew !!! this is too heavy for a friday night before dinner...
I will go out back and shag the dog ...
Hang on. I can understand castlequeen's POV here. And I disagree with it up to a point - but only because I think she's missing part of the picture.
and other non-consent fantasies are not always, and I would argue not often about violence or hate. They are mostly about control - and/or being controlled, depending on who is the fantasizer. It can be looked on as an extreme form of D/s.
Using myself as an example, I've written many nc stories of various kinds, but harbor no misogyny in me. I'd never for a second would consider acting in that manner, and personally believe and posted elsewhere that could easily be considered a capital crime. But that doesn't mean the fantasy is a damning character flaw - or a predictor of behavior.
On the other hand those that have and write about these fantasy subjects need to know that castlequeen's perceptions are neither unique, nor entirely unfounded.
Terribly sorry, but I do not mean for anyone to feel I'm judging them or their actions (unless they're breaking the law somehow). That isn't my job, or my lookout, I'm simply stating what works and doesn't work for me.
Durrasch, I apologize if I came off that way. That's not my intent, and I don't see you as a potential offender, I'm just playing devil's advocate and considering the extremes that can and have happened in this world. I know there's a large group of people who will never go beyond the thoughts, and you're right, it's unfair to only mention those who DO cross the line. Another apology for that.
I don't think that all n/c and fantasies are about hate and anger, but a frighteningly large percentage of the actual crimes are. That is what I get mad about, because in my work, I've had to help pick up the pieces after some of those crimes, and yes, I've seen firsthand how some of the perps did indeed have fantasies that got out of hand.
Can I restate my position as this:
Fantasies that are only fantasies are ok if you're ok with them, but if anyone ever considers crossing the line on the violent ones, please get help.
We all have things we're ok with, and we all have things that we're not ok with, as long as we're not judging each other, it's cool.
Is that better?
"A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere." - Groucho Marx
) My brother and I were two kids who both lacked in self esteem because we were tall and skinny. We didn't have a lot of friends, but we had each other. One day a friendly wrestling match turned into some shy, tentative kisses, and thus we began our "affair" as we called it. It wasn't exactly the stuff of epic fantasy as we never got further than exploring each other with our fingers. No oral, no wild fucking, just a lot of kissing and holding each other close. Was it wrong? I suppose if you subscribe to some religious or moral viewpoints, yes, it was. Did it harm either of us in any way? Not even close.
