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Evoking Oral Tradition In Narration

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I've been thinking about writing something that uses a narrative voice akin to campfire stories, where the narrator isn't a character in the strictest sense, but has character, the way a speaker might drop 'g's when speaking or use odd turns of phrase.

Has anyone tried anything like this? If so, how did it work out?
The trick will be to make it seem authentic, which will likely mean crafting it all carefully. I keep thinking about doing stories in "voices" but somehow it never feels right when I write it. Good luck.
Yes, I've tried it. Although it's more turns of phrase to give a flavour of the character than actually writing it as they'd say it. See "Fate into Doubt Won't Go".

I'm also writing a London gangsta story that makes copious use of dropped Gs and Hs, but the trick as seeker4 says, is to use it sparingly to gently remind the reader of the character's voice without ramming it down their throats. The latter becomes very difficult to read and very tiresome, very quickly. Compare (exaggerated):

I wanted to bang 'er from the moment she walked in. Them tits were incredible. I couldn't fuckin' stop staring as they jiggled in that tight lycra top.


vs:

I wan'ed to bang 'er from the momen' I saw 'er. 'Er tits were incredible, and I couldn' fuckin' stop starin' as they jiggled in that tigh' lycra top.

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Firstly, let me second what has been said above.

But to expand in ways which may or may not be useful, the point about speech in fiction is that it is inherently inauthentic. When I was at university and had to transcribe interviews I'd conducted, I became painfully aware of how much spoken language looks absolutely frightful on the page; it's full of pauses and stutters and ums and ers and people correcting themselves or losing their thread, or... Well, you get the picture. Dialogue in films and books is taught and crisp, unless there's an aesthetic or stylistic reason for it not to be. In real life people think of a witty riposte several minutes after it was actually needed.

My observation is that what is called authenticity in music, literature, films etc, is in the vast majority of a cases a performance in itself. The creator of the work has, in some sense, gone to a place of inauthenticity in order to create something which others perceive as being authentic - the perception being the thing of central importance, rather than the rather dull question of whether something "really is" authentic.

The important thing for me, as a reader, is if the manner of speech is congruent with the character (and with the story as a whole). If you have a narrator who the reader knows only through their speech, then of course certain turns of phrase or habits of speech are in a sense the character. It does seem to me, however, that there is a tipping point, relating back to what Wordsmith has said, where you can have too much of a good thing. The paradox is that once you've reached that tipping point, the more authentic you try to make something, the more inauthentic it becomes, because then the performance aspect of authenticity becomes apparent to the reader. Finding the tipping point and sticking as close to the right side of it as you can is the trick. If I were to give any advice it would be to find roughly four or five habits of speech that tell the reader everything you want them to know about the narrator and to leave well alone after that.

Speech in fiction is less about absolute fealty to a particular accent by virtue of location, social class, etc, and much more about what fiction is always about; being believable enough for the reader to want to suspend disbelief for the duration of the story.

Don't know if this is in any way useful, but hope you find the right voice for your story!
^^^ this.

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Firstly, let me second what has been said above.

But to expand in ways which may or may not be useful, the point about speech in fiction is that it is inherently inauthentic. When I was at university and had to transcribe interviews I'd conducted, I became painfully aware of how much spoken language looks absolutely frightful on the page; it's full of pauses and stutters and ums and ers and people correcting themselves or losing their thread, or... Well, you get the picture. Dialogue in films and books is taught and crisp, unless there's an aesthetic or stylistic reason for it not to be. In real life people think of a witty riposte several minutes after it was actually needed.

My observation is that what is called authenticity in music, literature, films etc, is in the vast majority of a cases a performance in itself. The creator of the work has, in some sense, gone to a place of inauthenticity in order to create something which others perceive as being authentic - the perception being the thing of central importance, rather than the rather dull question of whether something "really is" authentic.

The important thing for me, as a reader, is if the manner of speech is congruent with the character (and with the story as a whole). If you have a narrator who the reader knows only through their speech, then of course certain turns of phrase or habits of speech are in a sense the character. It does seem to me, however, that there is a tipping point, relating back to what Wordsmith has said, where you can have too much of a good thing. The paradox is that once you've reached that tipping point, the more authentic you try to make something, the more inauthentic it becomes, because then the performance aspect of authenticity becomes apparent to the reader. Finding the tipping point and sticking as close to the right side of it as you can is the trick. If I were to give any advice it would be to find roughly four or five habits of speech that tell the reader everything you want them to know about the narrator and to leave well alone after that.

Speech in fiction is less about absolute fealty to a particular accent by virtue of location, social class, etc, and much more about what fiction is always about; being believable enough for the reader to want to suspend disbelief for the duration of the story.

Don't know if this is in any way useful, but hope you find the right voice for your story!


Quoted for truth (and because this place lacks a Like button or other reactions). It's a good outline of the problem of "authenticity".

I like WannabeWordsmith's example, too. Really highlights how "authentic" spoken word may not work well on the page and how going too far with it can actually cause problems.
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Speech in fiction is less about absolute fealty to a particular accent by virtue of location, social class, etc, and much more about what fiction is always about; being believable enough for the reader to want to suspend disbelief for the duration of the story.


This, and WW's comments above, are spot on - as I (not a very experienced fiction writer) am discovering. I wonder whether you think that one possible exception, though, might be when one is wanting to write dialogue or narration which needs to seem inauthentic or unbelievable, for satirical or humoristic purposes?

By example, forgive me if, in an act of shameless self-promotion, I quote this outrageously over-the-top use of an imagined dialect from my own Alison Goes to London (chapter 9), which I think works quite well in the context:

The skinny girl heard, turned her head, did a double-take, and looked in amazement at Alison.
“‘Ey!” the girl called. “You’re Alison Bates!” said the girl.
“Uh… yeah?” replied Alison uncertainly.
“Lick m’ pussy!” squealed the girl in delight. “My name’s Riley. You’re my idol! I watched you on the Fuck Factor and everyfink! I wanna be like you!” Her boy began to sink his shaft into her ass, but she pushed him away, saying, “‘Ang on a sec’, Larry, I wanna talk to this girl! She’s got this amazin’ arsehole; she’s, like, a fuckin’ celeb–”

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As a matter of fact i do not like words being abbreviated. What is wrong with the correct way to spell a word. i enjoy the english language used correctly. Too many abbreviations just annoy me.
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This, and WW's comments above, are spot on - as I (not a very experienced fiction writer) am discovering. I wonder whether you think that one possible exception, though, might be when one is wanting to write dialogue or narration which needs to seem inauthentic or unbelievable, for satirical or humoristic purposes?



Oh, I absolutely agree that there's a time and a place for obviously insincere or inauthentic dialogue, and the satirical and humorous are two obvious instances of this. Another instance might be when a character is playing a part rather than being themselves - i.e. if the character is inauthentic within the context of the story, then it might help if they speak in an obviously inauthentic manner.
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Oh, I absolutely agree that there's a time and a place for obviously insincere or inauthentic dialogue, and the satirical and humorous are two obvious instances of this. Another instance might be when a character is playing a part rather than being themselves - i.e. if the character is inauthentic within the context of the story, then it might help if they speak in an obviously inauthentic manner.


That's a great point. Thanks for your wisdom. And in point of fact (more shameless self-promotion - forgive me) I am currently in the process of writing a later chapter of Alison Goes to London, where the above character (Riley) has to act "posh", despite being "common as muck". This is proving a challenge to write - but such fun!

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Alison Goes to London (RR) - "love this... fun, and funny, and sexy" (sprite)

The Cursed Cunt (RR) - "holyyyyy sheeeiiit.... Your writing is fucking fantastic" (CarltonStJames)

A Worthless Filthy Fucking Smoking Trash Cunt Whore (RR) - "Brilliantly done. Of course." (naughtyannie)

Snow White and the Seven Dildos (RR) - "Fuck. It's perfect.... honestly genius and so fucking well executed." (VioletVixen)

Metamorphoses (RR) - "so imaginative and entertaining" (saucymh)

And There Came Two Angels to Sodom - "What a deliciously worded story! So juicy, so raunchy" (el_henke)

Fuck-Talk (with VioletVixen) - "Jeez. I feel rendered wordless by how much clever fucking fun this is" (Jaymal)

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Oh, I absolutely agree that there's a time and a place for obviously insincere or inauthentic dialogue, and the satirical and humorous are two obvious instances of this. Another instance might be when a character is playing a part rather than being themselves - i.e. if the character is inauthentic within the context of the story, then it might help if they speak in an obviously inauthentic manner.


As a humble example of this, here is a brief passage from my Alison Goes to London: chapter 15 - A Proper Posh Totty - just out:

“Will I be all righ’?” asked Riley. “I’m so fuckin’ nervous!” She was dressed in her school uniform – white blouse, plaid skirt and tie. “This is the best I’ve got to wear. Don’ ‘ave no fancy clothes like you. And do I ‘ave to talk all posh for this Doctor Dick – ya know, ‘‘ow d’ya do’ and all ‘at sort o’ fing?”
“Just be your normal self, Riley. You’ll be great,” Alison reassured her. “I’m sure Doctor Dick will be very happy with you in school uniform – besides, it won’t stay on long, will it? And I don’t think he’ll care how you speak – just so long as it’s filthy!” she laughed.
“Wai’, wai’, I been practisin’ talkin’ all posh-like. Me mum’s bin teachin’ me. She says for the fuckin’ Royal Academy of fuckin’… uh… Fuckin’, I better not sound too common, righ’? You know me dad was all posh – came from ‘Enley-on-Thames or somefink: didn’t stop ‘im fuckin’ scarperin’ as soon as I come along though, did it? Now listen ta this…” Riley stood up straight as a choirgirl, before declaiming, with an exaggeratedly upper-class English accent, “Good ahfternoon, Miss Bates. Would you maynd awfully licking my pussy?”
Alison doubled up with laughter. “Wha’? Wha’?” said Riley “Wasn’ ‘at posh enough for ya? Should I say ‘cunt’ instead o’ ‘pussy’?”


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Alison Goes to London (RR) - "love this... fun, and funny, and sexy" (sprite)

The Cursed Cunt (RR) - "holyyyyy sheeeiiit.... Your writing is fucking fantastic" (CarltonStJames)

A Worthless Filthy Fucking Smoking Trash Cunt Whore (RR) - "Brilliantly done. Of course." (naughtyannie)

Snow White and the Seven Dildos (RR) - "Fuck. It's perfect.... honestly genius and so fucking well executed." (VioletVixen)

Metamorphoses (RR) - "so imaginative and entertaining" (saucymh)

And There Came Two Angels to Sodom - "What a deliciously worded story! So juicy, so raunchy" (el_henke)

Fuck-Talk (with VioletVixen) - "Jeez. I feel rendered wordless by how much clever fucking fun this is" (Jaymal)