What sports do you think should be in the Olympics?

12 Mar 2018

Quote by sprite

dude, step it up. Caroline is totally owning you and making you her bitch.

Haha why do I feel like this is turning into an Olympic sport Fugly

"A dirty book is rarely dusty"

13 Mar 2018

Quote by DamonX

What exactly is your point? That eye gauging or finger biting are effective? Of course they are. So is pulling out a gun or a knife. All of those are not allowed.

But every human being on earth has the ability to do that. Martial arts are about doing what other people can't do.

What are we arguing now? That TKD is an effective martial art? It's been objectively shown to be not an effective fighting style.

And yes, grapplers are put at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC.

If you watch UFC 7-20 you see what happens when there are no stand ups and no time limits. A wrestler takes the other guy down and mauls him for 40 minutes. It's not exactly crowd pleasing. So they changed the rules.

I am perfectly willing to engage in this topic, but please do your research. This isn't an opinion based argument. You can't rely on sophistry to make your point.

You can call it "chest beating", but you're honestly just barking from a much lower level of knowledge with regards to this particular subject.

I'm sure that you are more knowledgeable that me in some things.

This isn't one of those things.

You have roped me into repeatedly arguing about fighting on the the internet. A new low for me. Congratulations.

You have yet to really post any compelling arguments on how exactly grapplers are at a disadvantage when most of the rules are there to protect them.

Grapplers are stood up after not really showing any ability to further an actual win against a striker because after a certain point it turns into stalling. If the referees didn’t do that you’d have bullshit going on like grapplers being able to cheese draws and wins against better oppenents by simply hugging a guy so close no one can do anything for 30 minutes. That’s not real fighting, sorry to burst your bubble.

Not sure how you boys go at it Canada but I really have never seen a real fight end because one guy was really awesome at hugging a guy on the ground. I mean do fights in your neck of the woods usually end up with both guys on the ground for 30 minutes while everyone just watches and makes sure no one does anything “unfair”?

Answer honestly, if there was a guy at a club, bar, curling rink etc. cornered by three guys. What type of fighting do you think would give him the best chance of overcoming those three guys and walking out of that situation? Grappling them one at a time and hoping the other two just follow the rules or like kicking and punching them in the throat and balls?

13 Mar 2018

Quote by DamonX

What are we arguing now? That TKD is an effective martial art? It's been objectively shown to be not an effective fighting style.

And yes, grapplers are put at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC.

If you watch UFC 7-20 you see what happens when there are no stand ups and no time limits. A wrestler takes the other guy down and mauls him for 40 minutes. It's not exactly crowd pleasing. So they changed the rules.

I am not in total agreement about TKD's lack of effectiveness. Truthfully, in a street/bar fight 100% TKD may be lacking in some areas but is still very effective in others. If one is going to be in a real fight, it's best to know a more than just one type of martial arts. The more you know and can turn into near instinct, the better.

I am not some regular brawler and I am doing my best to not get into any more fights. I went through a year of therapy to help me with that, at my wife and my mom's pleading/demands, and advice from some other friends. In my life, I studied Tae Kwon Do, boxing, Judo, experimented with other martial arts, and regularly sparred with a former Army Ranger and a former Army Green Beret. I have to say I learned a hell of a lot from those guys.

I never wrestled formally but in college spent a lot of time learning some wrestling maneuvers/holds from frat brothers who had been high school wrestlers, a couple of them state champs.

In the fights I've been in, I always used some punch or move from TKD but intermixed with other styles. I really don't want to get in any more fights unless it's a serious self-defense or defense of someone else situation. Any crazy shit can have a gun or knife and many may know how to use those. I do have a concealed carry permit but there are a lot of places that you can't do that.

No matter what kind of badass anyone thinks they are, there is always someone out there who can kick your ass and hurt you bad. It's really okay to walk away if that option is at all possible. It's the smart thing to do.

It is interesting that hand to hand martial art combat styles are ancient and many existed in Europe and other places throughout history, not just in Asia.

What is so cool about MMA is just what the name says, Mixed Martial Arts. The more they can master, the better they can be, plus one needs to be very strong and fit, and have the ability to take a punch. Can you imagine getting into a fight in bar with a world class MMA fighter? Does anyone remember the ToughMan Contest fad? Those are still around some. Many are now called Amateur Mixed Martial Arts contests. I've seen quite a few of those. Many of those guys really hurt each other.

14 Mar 2018

Quote by DamonX
I agree with surfing. It seems like it depends too much on natural conditions.

How skiing then?

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15 Mar 2018

First off, let me start by saying that I'm a fan of combat sports. That's what I'm referring to when I say "fighting." I now realize that in the vernacular, just saying "fighting" probably drums up visions of meat heads in bar fights.. That's not my interest.

Quote by Magical_felix

You have yet to really post any compelling arguments on how exactly grapplers are at a disadvantage when most of the rules are there to protect them.

When you say "grappler" are you referring to wrestling, jiu-jitsu or both? Currently in MMA, the rules make winning by submission quite difficult. The main reasons are:

1. The round times and stand ups.

Jiu-Jitsu is more of a chess match. It takes time, which is why BJJ matches are longer. That's if the two participants know what they are doing.

In the old days when people knew relatively little about submissions, they could get choked out or arm-barred in pretty short order. When people started to learn basic submission defense you started to get really long, really boring fights. So they made the fights shorter and they gave the refs the option to stand the fighters back up. This was made to increase the excitement level... and it was a good move. Because if you watch the fights from "dark ages" of MMA, they were pretty bad.

Nowadays in MMA, everyone is pretty good at everything, but the shorter round times certainly do not favor BBJ specialists. Round times don't really have the same effect on wrestling-based fighters, because that is about control.

Stand-ups obviously favor striking. Now, I'm not arguing against stand ups. I think that they are needed to maintain crowd interest and marketability. And I agree with 99% of them.

2. Gloves.

If you've ever done any kind of jiu-jitsu you know that wearing gloves makes it wayyy harder to complete submissions. They're only 4oz gloves but it's still harder. The gloves are present to protect the hands from being broken when a punch is thrown, and they make it much more difficult to complete chokes and armbars.

3. Clothes. In BJJ, you wear a gi or rash guard. In mma, you pretty much fight naked. It's far more difficult to get submissions on a sweaty, naked body.

4. Knees to the head of grounded opponent are no longer allowed. In the early UFC and in PrideFC wrestling based fighters like Mark Coleman could take guys down and knee them in the head. It was a pretty effective technique for finishing fights.

So, since 1993, the rules of MMA have been gradually changing to make the sport more exciting to watch. And there's a lot more striking in MMA now as a result. I think most people would agree that wrestling is the most boring part of mma. I'm not disputing that. But it's also one of the most important. Most of the current UFC champions have backgrounds in wrestling at least at the collegiate level. But pretty much everyone has to be good at everything these days.

Now if we're talking about "real life" then obviously a mix of skills would be preferable. I'm pretty sure that we're on the same page when it comes to that. That's kind of what krav maga is. It's essentially mixed martial arts with all the groin shots, eye gauges, etc.

I'm not sure what what I'm supposed to be arguing at this point, but bringing it back around to the initial statement that fomented this clusterfuck....

Tae kwon do has very limited application in either mixed martial arts or practical self defense. boxing

15 Mar 2018

Quote by noll

How skiing then?

The winter olympics are always held somewhere that great skiing is available. Skiing is a huge part of the winter olympics. Surfing on the otherhand isn't a big spectator sport and can only be done on certain beach coasts where big waves are nearly always available.

Skiing? I guess there are possible olympic slopes where grizzly bears could maul and devour skiers but surfers are often available lunch snacks for sharks, especially the coasts where the great waves are.

Catch a wave, dudes. Hang ten.

15 Mar 2018

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

15 Mar 2018

Quote by DamonX

Tae kwon do has very limited application in either mixed martial arts or practical self defense.

Ha! I’ll take that as a resounding victory since very limited is far better than useless.

*does hand guns motion*

"A dirty book is rarely dusty"

15 Mar 2018

Quote by PrincessC

Ha! I’ll take that as a resounding victory since very limited is far better than useless.

*does hand guns motion*

I concede.

Pour Wine

15 Mar 2018

Oh no, I totally missed the highlights of this ferocious skirmish and literally just walked into the battle as the hostilities are slowly subsiding. Who the fuck am I going to swing those nunchakus at now that the fighting is over? Damon? Felix? Anyone? That will teach me to fly over to some exotic destination right during an intense period of rut...

*dejectedly removes his Karate Kid bandana and sighs over the sound of debris still haphazardly falling from the ceiling*

Seriously, a few statements almost triggered me to write yet another of my long usual essays but I'll just let it all slide for now, especially since this whole thread wasn't even about fighting to start with and I'm rather late to the party. It's quite likely that I'll create a thread about martial arts in the near future however, that might prove to be a whole lot of fun.

Concerning the validity of some martial arts though, and since this is a thread about Olympic Games, quite a few of them weren't even intended for realistic street fights to begin with. A lot were purposely created as watered-down sports (like judo or boxing), a lot were intended as cultural/artistic visual wonders similar to dancing (like the hundred different styles of wushu), a lot were simply established for physical conditioning or various health benefits (like cardio-kickboxing or Tai Chi).

Most of these styles don't even deny that reality in the slightest (although plenty of idiotic instructors will still attempt to convince you that their flimsy martial art is the greatest thing in the whole fucking universe). The founder of judo (Jigoro Kano) intentionally took the most brutal techniques out of jiu-jitsu to create the 'spiritual sport' which judo is renowned as today (while funnily enough, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is based on judo and essentially reinstated all those forgotten techniques). Even Muay Thai is an entertaining sport which emerged out of the much more undisciplined Muay Boran.

So yeah, all martial arts weren't created equally in terms of real-fighting applicability, but that certainly doesn't strip the majority of these sports from their validity as an extremely demanding or highly entertaining physical activity. While we're at it, well over 90% of sports are utterly useless in terms of real-life applicability. As an obvious example, when's the last time that a situation required of you to run for 2 hours straight?

While I'd be the first to agree with DamonX that taekwondo really doesn't offer the best bang for your buck regarding fighting skills, it's still a sport that I'm personally quite impressed by. Case in point:

15 Mar 2018

Quote by noll
How skiing then?

Artificial snow is actually ridiculously easy to create. I'm not that aware about the popularity of skiing in the Netherlands, but here in Quebec we have numerous mountains which are highly popular ski resorts. The skiing conditions are hardly ever dependent on the weather or natural snowfalls, ski resorts simply compensate with artificial snow whenever needed.

A properly 'regulated' surfing environment would quite literally require that a huge pool generating artificial waves be built just to accommodate that one sport: not all that cost-effective when compared to the countless winter sports that simply require inexpensive artificial snow. And I'd actually argue that this artificial surfing environment would practically strip the sport of its whole essence anyway: taming the wild waves and all that.

16 Mar 2018

Quote by SereneProdigy

Artificial snow is actually ridiculously easy to create. I'm not that aware about the popularity of skiing in the Netherlands, but here in Quebec we have numerous mountains which are highly popular ski resorts. The skiing conditions are hardly ever dependent on the weather or natural snowfalls, ski resorts simply compensate with artificial snow whenever needed.

A properly 'regulated' surfing environment would quite literally require that a huge basin generating artificial waves be built just to accommodate that one sport: not all that cost-effective when compared to the countless winter sports that simply require inexpensive artificial snow. And I'd actually argue that this artificial surfing environment would practically strip the sport of its whole essence anyway: taming the wild waves and all that.

Snow is only one part. Skiing in the Netherlands is either an indoor or a foreign thing (the highest point here is only 322.4m and it's only in a small part of this small country where there's any elevation at all). And building proper artificial skiing slopes is not very cost effective either.

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16 Mar 2018

Quote by noll
Snow is only one part. Skiing in the Netherlands is either an indoor or a foreign thing (the highest point here is only 322.4m and it's only in a small part of this small country where there's any elevation at all). And building proper artificial skiing slopes is not very cost effective either.

Hah, mountains are so prominent here in Quebec that I didn't even consider that as a factor; I guess we just take them for granted over here. Even the name of my city (ie. Montreal) is based on a large mountain right at the center of it called Mount-Royal. Fun bit of trivia, the man who designed the Mount-Royal Park is the same who designed Central Park in New York City (ie. Frederick Law Olmsted).

There's also been a cross at the top of that mountain ever since the foundation of Montreal in 1642 (not the same cross all that time however):

The argument still stands though, different Olympic skiers going down a mountain at a suitable location will all experience the exact same descent, while waves are much more unpredictable and surfers will inevitably have to resort to chance to hopefully catch a great wave and demonstrate their skills. That's unless a big artificial pool was built, which as I expressed before really wouldn't be cost-effective and would defeat the whole charm of the sport by substituting wild waves with artificial (and extremely predictable) ones.

21 Mar 2018

Quote by SereneProdigy
Oh no, I totally missed the highlights of this ferocious skirmish and literally just walked into the battle as the hostilities are slowly subsiding. Who the fuck am I going to swing those nunchakus at now that the fighting is over? Damon? Felix? Anyone? That will teach me to fly over to some exotic destination right during an intense period of rut...

*dejectedly removes his Karate Kid bandana and sighs over the sound of debris still haphazardly falling from the ceiling*

Seriously, a few statements almost triggered me to write yet another of my long usual essays but I'll just let it all slide for now, especially since this whole thread wasn't even about fighting to start with and I'm rather late to the party. It's quite likely that I'll create a thread about martial arts in the near future however, that might prove to be a whole lot of fun.

Concerning the validity of some martial arts though, and since this is a thread about Olympic Games, quite a few of them weren't even intended for realistic street fights to begin with. A lot were purposely created as watered-down sports (like judo or boxing), a lot were intended as cultural/artistic visual wonders similar to dancing (like the hundred different styles of wushu), a lot were simply established for physical conditioning or various health benefits (like cardio-kickboxing or Tai Chi).

Most of these styles don't even deny that reality in the slightest (although plenty of idiotic instructors will still attempt to convince you that their flimsy martial art is the greatest thing in the whole fucking universe). The founder of judo (Jigoro Kano) intentionally took the most brutal techniques out of jiu-jitsu to create the 'spiritual sport' which judo is renowned as today (while funnily enough, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is based on judo and essentially reinstated all those forgotten techniques). Even Muay Thai is an entertaining sport which emerged out of the much more undisciplined Muay Boran.

So yeah, all martial arts weren't created equally in terms of real-fighting applicability, but that certainly doesn't strip the majority of these sports from their validity as an extremely demanding or highly entertaining physical activity. While we're at it, well over 90% of sports are utterly useless in terms of real-life applicability. As an obvious example, when's the last time that a situation required of you to run for 2 hours straight?

While I'd be the first to agree with DamonX that taekwondo really doesn't offer the best bang for your buck regarding fighting skills, it's still a sport that I'm personally quite impressed by. Case in point:

Did not read.

Brevity is the soul of wit a wise man once said.

Free writing lesson.

21 Mar 2018

With the World Cup starting in a couple months I have ceased to give a single pity fuck for the olympics. Just the kit reaveals are more exciting really. Even the laughing at countries that didn’t make is more interesting.

21 Mar 2018

Quote by Magical_felix
Did not read.

Brevity is the soul of wit a wise man once said.

Free writing lesson.

Didn't you mean to communicate that to DamonX? He had a long post directly addressed to you while I clearly didn't. scratch

And the character who pronounced those words wasn't wise at all. That Shakespearean character was an old senile fool whose just about every judgment proved to be utterly misguided and preposterous throughout Hamlet. Shakespeare actually mostly used that character for comic relief and intentionally packed his dialogue with a hefty dose of completely absurd and ironic statements. The play Hamlet itself was Shakespeare's longest and arguably the most prestigious of all English literature. There goes your silly lesson about brevity.

22 Mar 2018

Quote by SereneProdigy

Didn't you mean to communicate that to DamonX? He had a long post directly addressed to you while I clearly didn't.

And the character who pronounced those words wasn't wise at all. That Shakespearean character was an old senile fool whose just about every judgment proved to be utterly misguided and preposterous throughout Hamlet. Shakespeare actually mostly used that character for comic relief and intentionally packed his dialogue with a hefty dose of completely absurd and ironic statements. The play Hamlet itself was Shakespeare's longest and arguably the most prestigious of all English literature. There goes your silly lesson about brevity.

I think maybe...

22 Mar 2018

I was in Quebec City a few years ago and saw the Red Bull Crashed Ice...

I love the snowboard cross, so this seems like a valid alternative.

22 Mar 2018

Quote by SereneProdigy

Didn't you mean to communicate that to DamonX? He had a long post directly addressed to you while I clearly didn't.

And the character who pronounced those words wasn't wise at all. That Shakespearean character was an old senile fool whose just about every judgment proved to be utterly misguided and preposterous throughout Hamlet. Shakespeare actually mostly used that character for comic relief and intentionally packed his dialogue with a hefty dose of completely absurd and ironic statements. The play Hamlet itself was Shakespeare's longest and arguably the most prestigious of all English literature. There goes your silly lesson about brevity.

I’m sure you’re aware that Shakespeare often used his more ridiculous characters to highlight the points they were failing to make. Subtext.

"A dirty book is rarely dusty"

22 Mar 2018

Rope Jumping

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23 Mar 2018

Quote by PrincessC
I’m sure you’re aware that Shakespeare often used his more ridiculous characters to highlight the points they were failing to make. Subtext.

Your view is very interesting.

23 Mar 2018

Checkers

25 Mar 2018

Quote by SereneProdigy

Didn't you mean to communicate that to DamonX? He had a long post directly addressed to you while I clearly didn't.

And the character who pronounced those words wasn't wise at all. That Shakespearean character was an old senile fool whose just about every judgment proved to be utterly misguided and preposterous throughout Hamlet. Shakespeare actually mostly used that character for comic relief and intentionally packed his dialogue with a hefty dose of completely absurd and ironic statements. The play Hamlet itself was Shakespeare's longest and arguably the most prestigious of all English literature. There goes your silly lesson about brevity.

Did the character write his own dialogue? I said a wise man not a wise character. Did you know what character said that off the top of your head or did you have to google it? Don't answer because both answers coming from you are sure to be long and boring.

What's your point anyway? That long-windedness is rad or what?

25 Mar 2018

Quote by DamonX

I think maybe...

A wise man once said a real dragon doesn't have to tell you he's a dragon.

How many more times do you feel it's necessary to tell me you're a forum dragon so I can smile politely, nod my head, pat yours and reassure you that when it comes to blowing fire, you're the first person I'll tap when I need to light a cigarette.

25 Mar 2018

Quote by apptobebad
Rope Jumping

this is soo cool! totally love to see this at the summer games. and what about double dutch comp, too? smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

25 Mar 2018

Quote by apptobebad
Rope Jumping

Thats the sort of thing I would expect to see on BGT... I would call that a talent not a sport.

Sword Fight

25 Mar 2018

Quote by sprite

this is soo cool! totally love to see this at the summer games. and what about double dutch comp, too?

Oh yeah. The Double Dutch is sooo cool!!

kekekegay

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25 Mar 2018

Quote by simplyjohn

Thats the sort of thing I would expect to see on BGT... I would call that a talent not a sport.

So, a bit like;

GYMNASTICS ARTISTIC
GYMNASTICS RHYTHMIC
TRAMPOLINE

argue

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25 Mar 2018

Quote by simplyjohn

Thats the sort of thing I would expect to see on BGT... I would call that a talent not a sport.

have you ever jumped rope, old man? total sport. don't make me come over there and piss in your meat freezer. evil4

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

25 Mar 2018

Quote by apptobebad

So, a bit like;

GYMNASTICS ARTISTIC
GYMNASTICS RHYTHMIC
TRAMPOLINE

the rhythmic gymnastics are actually my fav summer comp. and no i am not just saying that. especially like the ribbons. smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.