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Negan just continues to be the most bad-ass, truly hate-able character EVER! But I can't take my eyes off him when Jeffery Dean Morgan is onscreen. He is such a awesum actor! And since Daryl and Rick have become sort of non-characters, he is def'ly the ONE TO WATCH, these days. Hate him, but love him!


He's a cool character, although I like the slightly more serious variation of Negan more than the stache-twirling comic-evil version.

I also love that the women on the show are leading the charge for rebellion right now. With Daryl immobilized and Rick all eager to remain Negan's bitch, it's good to see Rosita, Maggie and Sasha stepping up.

And I'm totally into Jesus. He brings a certain kindness, fair-play and lightness to the show that is missing without Glenn. Plus there's his beautiful eyes and kick-ass martial arts. It's hard not to love him.

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I'm still traumatised by episode 1 of this season and I've taken to watching them from behind a cushion - I know, I'm a coward
I tell you, the acting this season is superb especially from Jeffrey Dean Morgan. How the hell has he made that awful character so likeable? It's brilliant. Loving the different locations and interwoven storylines too.
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I know Series 7 was probably a bit too grisly to begin with, but does anyone else think the second half has gone a bit flat?

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I know Series 7 was probably a bit too grisly to begin with, but does anyone else think the second half has gone a bit flat?

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Yes.

A few things they've gone off the rails with, in my opinion:

- Overdose on the 'terror of Negan'. Honestly, I love the actor, but I find the campy swagger and smirky theatrical monologue style of the character to be annoying. Maybe this character doesn't translate as well from the comics, but I thought the Governor was more compelling and believable as a villain.

- Fragmented episodes. I hate that the first half has all been insulated episodes that focus on new characters and maybe one or two regulars max. I think we've only seen Maggie for an episode and a half at this point. They should have been able to cover multiple story lines within a single episode for the sake of continuity and momentum.

- Too many bizarre fantasy-world characters. We have the medieval pageantry of 'The Kingdom' and its community-theatre leader, the submissive dungeon vibe of Negan's lair, a giant tiger, the apocalyptic-cult hipster dumpster gang who don't speak in full sentences, the all-female fishing village etc. It's bordering on feeling like a different show. I get that they need to introduce a ton of new characters for this upcoming 'war', but I feel like its an overload of overly strange characters nobody cares about.

- The zombies are no longer threatening or scary. They're merely bumps in the road that are quickly dispatched with minimal effort. Like swatting a mosquito. I get that they've evolved, but I kind of miss the tension the zombies used to create.

- The breakdown of strong characters. In the first half, they broke Rick's spirit. Daryl was caged in a cell and crying. And Carol - wtf did they do to this character?

- And... I still miss Glenn. sad

I'm still watching/invested and hopeful things will turn around and get exciting again. I get why they went this route for the greater storyline (breaking people, followed by a revolt), I just think they could have done it a little differently.
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I've been critical of this season, especially the first half, but I thought they really did a nice job of building momentum to the finale, especially the last couple of episodes leading up. The only flaws I found were errors in characters thinking (eg. Rick trusting the Heapsters with barely a sentence exchanged between them and the Fam robbery of Oceanside, which made them only moderately better than Negan).

The finale was really strong, and it was possibly the best season finale I can remember. It had the tension, plot pacing and heart. Both Sasha and Maggie pull in all the emotional accountability, even in the midst of the action. And it was fun to see Shiva enjoy her snacks. Everything (all the communities) have come together and it feels like there are rich possibilities for next season.

Sasha went out like a boss. Great (worthy) episode for her character.

Here's the final fight scene (spoilers). So much happened, it's worth a second watch.

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I'll definitely give you Sasha going out with a bang. God, probably the only bit of classic Walking Dead I've seen all season! That and the Kingdom blazing in to save the day at the eleventh hour.

Otherwise it's been nothing episode after nothing episode. I'm actually going to go so far as to say it was worse than the snooze fest on the farm. At least the walkers were interesting back then.

For me, they've really fluffed the balance of late, racing through Terminus and the Wolves, and then dragassing far too long with Negan's lot. I just need the pay off of them finally getting him. Enough with the edging already!

Fingers crossed for next October.
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Glad this finale did not leave us hanging like last year.
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I like how carl became a full fledged badass in the finale. I can totally see him leading a group now even at his age. By the time he's 25 he'll be king shit.

I think that the Eugene episode was my favorite all season.
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After the end of season six I couldn't wait and did some reading of the comics so I knew about the war with the saviors. I guessed before the first episode that season seven would end with the start of the war so I was pleasantly satisfied to see that prediction come true. I didn't realize that the little figure with 'didn't know' written on it was from Dwight at first but it was later pointed out to me. It makes sense because it seemed odd that he would alert Rick but then allow them to get double-crossed.

I really enjoyed the finale and even though I really hate [I]deus ex machina[/I] as a plot device (feels like cheating instead of coming up with a creative way to get characters out of tough situations) it was oh-so-satisfying to see a tiger jump in to the frame and start going to town. By the end of the episode my heart was pounding so hard that I couldn't go to sleep for hours. Oh, and Maggie's speech at the end... sad

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I have avoided the comics since I started watching the series. I had read up to a few of the events already so some things were not a surprise but others were. They don't always stick to the comic story line. I think they have made some wise decisions on those lines for the most part.

I too was feeling that something was a little off about this season. I did love the finale though, it was cathartic in some ways. Leaving us with some hope and Sasha's story line was a fitting end to her character's arc. It was nice to see Abraham reunited with Sasha and their conversation as well.

Plus who doesn't love a Tiger showing up at a gun fight.

My only nagging thought during the time with Rick, Negan and Carl, was, where was Judith? Would Rick have acted differently if it was Judith's life he was threatening? Glad I don't need to think about that for too long.

I am also wondering just what is going to happen with Eugene. I won't read ahead though.
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I think Eugene's only redemption arc for the group would be if he's tasked to make bullets for the 'All Out War' and ends up making them blanks instead (or maybe 80% blanks). Of course, he'd have to sacrifice himself or get out of the Sanctuary before the first major battle, but it would be the noble thing to do. I can't imagine making real bullets that you knew were meant for your friends (really, his family) - the same people that saved your ass over and over again from the beginning of the apocalypse. I'm hoping Sasha's final "I believe in you" speech will have him do the right thing.

And yes, Maggie's speech really gets you in the feels. Tears shed.

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My only nagging thought during the time with Rick, Negan and Carl, was, where was Judith? Would Rick have acted differently if it was Judith's life he was threatening? Glad I don't need to think about that for too long.




Judith is still at Hilltop, probably with some elderly babysitter type that couldn't go to fight. We see her there with Maggie and Enid just before Maggie decides to rally the troops.

I don't think Rick would have acted differently if it was Judith. I think he knows this is bigger than any one person, even his own loved ones. Michonne helped him see that earlier when they were on their supply run when they talked about possibly losing each other and how they had to be accepting of that and willing to go on.

I think it's an interesting contrast to Negan's outlook. He's not motivated by relationships - he's only motivated by resources and what's good for himself. Losing anyone from his group would be irrelevant - they're just there to fulfill a purpose, even his wives. He even chuckles when Sasha sheds tears at the idea that anyone else has to die and asks if those tears are for real. He doesn't get it. I think that's the overall story theme this season and the reason Rick tells him he's 'already dead' - as Maggie's final speech says - it's about the people and the relationships and they fight for each other. That's what maintains their humanity.
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Judith is still at Hilltop, probably with some elderly babysitter type that couldn't go to fight. We see her there with Maggie and Enid just before Maggie decides to rally the troops.

I don't think Rick would have acted differently if it was Judith. I think he knows this is bigger than any one person, even his own loved ones. Michonne helped him see that earlier when they were on their supply run when they talked about possibly losing each other and how they had to be accepting of that and willing to go on.

I think it's an interesting contrast to Negan's outlook. He's not motivated by relationships - he's only motivated by resources and what's good for himself. Losing anyone from his group would be irrelevant - they're just there to fulfill a purpose, even his wives. He even chuckles when Sasha sheds tears at the idea that anyone else has to die and asks if those tears are for real. He doesn't get it. I think that's the overall story theme this season and the reason Rick tells him he's 'already dead' - as Maggie's final speech says - it's about the people and the relationships and they fight for each other. That's what maintains their humanity.



Thank you, I didn't catch the part were she was at hilltop. I do have to agree with your thoughts on Negan. It has come to the point where it doesn't matter who Negan is threatening. He will kill anyone or do anything to his group or any others it's clear by now.

I do like that Rick finally came around to Michonne's way of thinking. I think when you have kids still alive your thought process is going to be different or you need some more time to come to the same conclusion. He just finally needed to realize that the way they were living was not worth it even if it meant sacrificing everyone including his own children. But not having Judith there might have given him some more confidence that perhaps she would survive this.

It was good to see Rick getting his humanity back. Watching him struggle this season has been painful at times to watch.
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Saw this earlier making the rounds.. lol

Ezekiel prepares Shiva for battle:

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I like how carl became a full fledged badass in the finale. I can totally see him leading a group now even at his age. By the time he's 25 he'll be king shit.


Scott Gimple said he wants to keep the series going for hopefully 20 years.

By then Carl and Enid will be a power couple leading whatever group exists by then, along with adult Judith and Glenn Jr. Kind of crazy to imagine if they can pull it off and stay successful.
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I think Eugene's only redemption arc for the group would be if he's tasked to make bullets for the 'All Out War' and ends up making them blanks instead (or maybe 80% blanks). Of course, he'd have to sacrifice himself or get out of the Sanctuary before the first major battle, but it would be the noble thing to do. I can't imagine making real bullets that you knew were meant for your friends (really, his family) - the same people that saved your ass over and over again from the beginning of the apocalypse. I'm hoping Sasha's final "I believe in you" speech will have him do the right thing.

And yes, Maggie's speech really gets you in the feels. Tears shed.



I can't imagine them turning eugene full on evil. I haven't read the comics so I may sound stupid saying that I think it will ultimately be eugene who will kill negan. I mean rick (one of my least favorite characters really) said "I will kill you" so of course he is the odds on favorite to.. but I think eugene killing negan woud be the most satisfying. especially if it comes right after negan kills or dismembers rosita.
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Scott Gimple said he wants to keep the series going for hopefully 20 years.

By then Carl and Enid will be a power couple leading whatever group exists by then, along with adult Judith and Glenn Jr. Kind of crazy to imagine if they can pull it off and stay successful.


I would really like to see that. I like the characters of carl and enid even though they get lot of hate. They grew up knowing nothing else but the post walker world and their adult selves would be fucking scary. Some really hard ass scary people. I would follow them.
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Saw this earlier making the rounds.. lol

Ezekiel prepares Shiva for battle:



That hella bugged me... Forget about how silly it is for a damn cat to know who to kill... What about all the gunfire? Sneeze around a cat and they freak.
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That hella bugged me... Forget about how silly it is for a damn cat to know who to kill... What about all the gunfire? Sneeze around a cat and they freak.


I read this 'serious' comment on Youtube arguing that Shiva would know who to attack based on 'scent'. That since people from both Hilltop and Alexandria visited Ezekiel in The Kingdom, they would carry the 'scent' of their respective camps and all the randoms would smell the same, so Shiva was going after the people that smelled 'unfamiliar' during the battle and saw them as the bad guys. This would be some highly evolved tiger radar. I think the audience really needed that 'feel good' scene after the oppression and depression of the season, and Shiva delivered. I will be crushed when they kill off that sexy CGI cat.
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I read this 'serious' comment on Youtube arguing that Shiva would know who to attack based on 'scent'. That since people from both Hilltop and Alexandria visited Ezekiel in The Kingdom, they would carry the 'scent' of their respective camps and all the randoms would smell the same, so Shiva was going after the people that smelled 'unfamiliar' during the battle and saw them as the bad guys. This would be some highly evolved tiger radar. I think the audience really needed that 'feel good' scene after the oppression and depression of the season, and Shiva delivered. I will be crushed when they kill off that sexy CGI cat.



Dude... that's like saying a hungry ass motherfucker has been hanging around a bunch of perfectly cooked steaks, smelling them, salivating... telling themselves "these chains aren't keeping me from eating these fucking delicious ass mouth watering no A-1 needing steaks... These steaks are my friends. I know these juicy steaks are my friends... I am an apex predator but I still won't eat those steaks/friends when I am let loose.

please.

It was a cool scene but it would have made more sense if shiva was still on a chain with ezekiel controlling her.
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Saw this earlier making the rounds.. lol

Ezekiel prepares Shiva for battle:


Hahaha that is awesome!

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I thought last night's season opener was reasonably strong, especially for being the 100th episode. It was nice to see the group set up a real strategy to attack Negan's compound. Finally being on the offensive was a nice change from last season's ongoing beat down.

Luckily Negan was wearing plot armour because he could have (should have) been shot about a dozen times when he was in plain view during Rick's 'surrender now' speech.

I'm interested to see how Eugene's character navigates his own personal quest for survival. Does he swap sides again when the Saviours start going down? Does the group let him back in or bother trying to trust him again? I don't think I could.
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I didnt have my shittin pants on!
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Not CAAAARL! I could take the loss of Glen. It was hard, but I kept watching. Carl was never supposed to die. Early on in the series, Greg Nicotero said the only person guaranteed not to die was Carl. I felt like I lost a member of my family. (Seriously, I sobbed!) Rick lost it when Laurie died, how is he going to take this? And Michonne? She's like a mother to him. I'm pretty pissed off at Scott Gimple for writing him out.
I read that Chandler Rigg's father is steaming mad because he thinks they fired him. What doesn't make sense, is that Gimple said while on The Talking Dead, that Chandler and his parents were brought in before filming to let them know, and explained why. (maybe they are purposely misleading us?)
It has nothing to do with college.

I have to hang on to the hope that he lives through this, but in my heart, I think he's a goner.
Father Gabrial said it was God's will for Dr. Carson to get back to Hill Top to deliver Maggie's baby. She's not even showing yet. Plus, Carl was bitten 'through' his shirt. Not directly on his skin. AND, in Fear The Walking Dead, Alejandro is said to have survived a walker bite and has a chuck out of his shoulder. (**edit** I have since found out he was lying.)

I need to believe this isn't really the case, but they are making it sound pretty real, and permanent.

I'm not ready to say goodbye to the kid, I really like him. He is, IMO, very important to the show. The only originals left from season 1 are Rick, Carol, and Daryl.

My heart is broken. Why couldn't it have been Eugene...Dwight or even Jerry?

**SIGH**

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I read that Chandler Rigg's father is steaming mad because he thinks they fired him. What doesn't make sense, is that Gimple said while on The Talking Dead, that Chandler and his parents were brought in before filming to let them know, and explained why. (maybe they are purposely misleading us?)
It has nothing to do with college.


Gimple absolutely fired him. Chandler Rigg's said in an interview that he thought Gimple was joking when he first told him, and it shocked him and the rest of the cast when they learned the news. Chandler had recently bought a house in Georgia to be close to filming. They really did him dirty with this decision. He only found out while they were in rehearsals for episode 6.

Here's what his Dad said:



Of course, obviously shows can kill off main characters, but I think they've really fucked up with this decision. Gimple's reasoning is that Carl had to die to legitimize a way for Rick to spare Negan's life after the war is over. There are many other ways they could have achieved this goal (eg. maybe Negan saves Carl's life at some point, so Rick could consider sparing him etc.).

I like JDM, but the Negan character doesn't translate well to TV (way too cartoony and douchey), and I think a large portion of the audience wants Negan dead. Killing Carl off for this character is such a bad move. Plus Negan now has even more plot armour than Rick.

I wish they would find a new showrunner and better writers. I hate watching characters make nonsensical decisions just to move already silly plot lines, like Rick hitting up the garbage people for a second time, or Ezekiel stopping to give a rallying speech in an open field in the shadow of a huge uncleared building. Up until now, this season has had lots of ups and downs but it's far from the magic of earlier seasons (mainly pre-Alexandria). They need to get back to basics and give more screen time to the core cast.

It's really hard to imagine the show without Carl. It was fun to watch him grow up on the show. The mid season premiere is going to be harsh. Major tears, for sure.

EDIT: Despite everything, the kid still has a sense of humour.