There is no way that Arya takes out the Night King and Cersei.
I feel like all these threads would have been better suited to ten seasons of ten episodes. These last two seasons are ridiculously over paced compared to the slow deliberate build up of the first 6 seasons.
The main point of Danni descending into the "mad queen" persona has been super rushed. The supposed romance between Jaime and Briene lasted about 10 minutes.
I still feel as though this is the best show in the history of TV, but I sense that Benioff and Weiss chopped it off at the knees in the last two seasons. They lost interest and didn't want to give over control to anyone else.
I hope something happens that doesn't conceded to fan service. The things that made this show great was the fact that they didn't do the things that fit into the generic tropes of the genre.
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Amazing epsisode.
I love how they captured the reality of medieval warfare.
It reminded me of when the crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099. People thought they were doing the right thing, but in the end they just ended up and murdering.
For the last few years I've been growing increasingly tired of GOT nerds using the term "Clegane Bowl" over and over. Almost as annoying as "R plus L equals J." I kind of wish they would have thrown the middle finger up and done something different. Fan service I guess.
I loved the Arya scenes though. Her seeing the burnt bodies of the mother holding her daughter
They played pretty fast and loose with the timelines and although the last two seasons were rushed this was probably the best episode of the series.
I will guess that Arya now goes to kill Danni.
I love how they captured the reality of medieval warfare.
It reminded me of when the crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099. People thought they were doing the right thing, but in the end they just ended up and murdering.
For the last few years I've been growing increasingly tired of GOT nerds using the term "Clegane Bowl" over and over. Almost as annoying as "R plus L equals J." I kind of wish they would have thrown the middle finger up and done something different. Fan service I guess.
I loved the Arya scenes though. Her seeing the burnt bodies of the mother holding her daughter
They played pretty fast and loose with the timelines and although the last two seasons were rushed this was probably the best episode of the series.
I will guess that Arya now goes to kill Danni.
“Fucking die already!”
Best line in the episode.
Some spoilers were fairly accurate, but I’m glad many were not. Yes, I felt a tear or two welling, as I expected but didn’t occur in e3. Sadly, this episode, as has been said by many about the 8th season, was rushed. I still don’t like the unrealistic ‘dragon ambush’ from e4, as much as don’t like the unlimited dragon fuel, the mad queen scenario (Apple doesn’t fall far from the dragon tree), and the lack of green fire, given so much of it was hidden under the city. Plus, some of those 1000 pound stone blocks could be moved by fire and two large, estranged brothers.
Yet, I still loved the episode. I know if I had a broad sword split me in two, I’d have bled to death before being crushed under movie set rubble. Yet, I still loved the episode.
e6 now seems predictable except for who assumes the throne. My money is on a Stark or a male dragon rider. ? And I still think the white walkers are out there. It will probably be the hook for one of the next series.
The series 10,000 years prior to this will have the kiddies from the woods and the origins of those who’s initials are the same as Walter White’s.
I’m not unsatisfied with the episode, but it should have been better. Seems a huge opportunity lost for some arcs. As I digest this, I may have more to say. But I do keep asking myself why they did certain things. How many times did we see that mother and daughter? IDK. It felt like an HGTV show post-commercial review, which they do after every fucking commercial because they think the audience forgot what just happened three minutes ago.
Yet, I still liked the episode.
Best line in the episode.
Some spoilers were fairly accurate, but I’m glad many were not. Yes, I felt a tear or two welling, as I expected but didn’t occur in e3. Sadly, this episode, as has been said by many about the 8th season, was rushed. I still don’t like the unrealistic ‘dragon ambush’ from e4, as much as don’t like the unlimited dragon fuel, the mad queen scenario (Apple doesn’t fall far from the dragon tree), and the lack of green fire, given so much of it was hidden under the city. Plus, some of those 1000 pound stone blocks could be moved by fire and two large, estranged brothers.
Yet, I still loved the episode. I know if I had a broad sword split me in two, I’d have bled to death before being crushed under movie set rubble. Yet, I still loved the episode.
e6 now seems predictable except for who assumes the throne. My money is on a Stark or a male dragon rider. ? And I still think the white walkers are out there. It will probably be the hook for one of the next series.
The series 10,000 years prior to this will have the kiddies from the woods and the origins of those who’s initials are the same as Walter White’s.
I’m not unsatisfied with the episode, but it should have been better. Seems a huge opportunity lost for some arcs. As I digest this, I may have more to say. But I do keep asking myself why they did certain things. How many times did we see that mother and daughter? IDK. It felt like an HGTV show post-commercial review, which they do after every fucking commercial because they think the audience forgot what just happened three minutes ago.
Yet, I still liked the episode.
Active Ink Slinger
An enjoyable episode. I was expecting the battle between the brothers and the fitting end as they fell into the fire.
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I've given it a night's rest, a second, fast-forwarded viewing, and read a number of reviews and articles about episode five, The Bells, and I'm still left with the same feeling of solemn emptiness. Not sadness. Not apathy. But emptiness.
I blame the two dudes at the helm, and myself a little for caring a bit too much about some stupid make believe story. I'm not going to get into a discussion about art equaling life or something else like that that is beyond my abilities or deeper comprehension. But I feel empty, even after the incredible spectacle that e5 was.
How do you screw up so many character arcs, some of which began in episode one of season one? So many situations could have been epic, but they weren't. Zombie Darth Vader on steriods, as one reviewer put it, was damn funny. He wasn't wrong. That fight should have been better. Fuck. Everything should have been better.
I do wonder what GRRM will have to say after next week's series finale airs. I wonder if there were behind-the-scenes battles, and he said, fuck it. He'll write his version and HBO et al will do their own. Again, I still enjoyed the episode, but when it's broken down into smaller, bite-sized, analyzed pieces, just about every scene fails to meet expectations. Yes, there were a few touching moments. Tyrion and Verys. I knew he was going to say, "Good bye, old friend." That's just something he would say. Tyrion and Jaime. Arya and Sandor. Even Jaime and Cersei. How could they not be touching moments? We've grown to love and hate them, just as we do with our own families. People are complex. So are these flawed characters. That's why we accepted them. They were make believably real. Even Jon denial of Auntie Dany's advance. Eww. Gross. We got that.
Maybe some of us, after the last episode, will go into a deeper discussion on this matter, but two things really bother me.
Firstly, Arya, a trained assassin, a person that had dedicated her life to a list, abandons the one name that EVERYONE wanted to see her personally strike from it. Seriously. What a huge missed opportunity. No, it's a royal fuck up. Another face. A skewering with Needle. Anything. But we got nothing. We are led to believe she 'came to her senses' and was confident that the thick, crumbling stone walls would kill Cersei, or the dragon fire, or Dragon's huge post-destruction rampage appetite, would end her life. Ugh. Nope.
Secondly, Winter is Coming. Come on! How many times did we hear that said in eight seasons? Oh, no more winter? I guess we'll get spring instead. Sheesh.
Okay, the scorpion bullshit was cool, but stupid. Hidden in the surrounding hills would have been acceptable. But at a thousand feet or more above the water, even I could see an armada. Plus, those damn bulky wooden arrows would not travel with that much velocity to do that kind of damage - three for three - then miss everything else for that, and the entire fifth episode. But back to Winter is Coming...
As much as I liked e3, and how the icy guy got it, that whole aspect was meticulously underdeveloped. It was like a conspiracy against good endings, just what GRRW said a good story requires. What about mini-battles? Ambushes? Dead guy reconnaissance missions? So many things could have been done to build up to the final battle. Why were the male babies taken? scribble. scribble. develop more please. Where did the lieutenants come from? more again please. And why, why the fuck why, did it take eight years to reach the wall and then beyond? Several years ago, a Canadian walked the distance of the equator and it took him eleven years. That's 24,901 miles. Such a huge component to the show. We waited almost eight years. Only then, to have our hopes and dreams shattered into a bunch of icy shards in less than 90 minutes. ugh.
Thinking about this show after my second viewing, and after reading several reviews, I got a nightmarish shiver of a thought...
I had earlier joked in this thread, referencing The Bob Newhart Show series finale dream sequence. I can't see how the damage done by Benioff and Weiss can be repaired in one minuscule episode. And they are they guys handling the final episode too. Not feeling anything, as if stunned or in shock, still waiting, it then came to me... only a dream sequence could fix this major fuck up. Please don't, but it could.
Maybe it was Bran all along, dreaming all of eight season's worth, while pouting in his room after Mama Stark scolded him for climbing. He agreed to no longer climb, ran to his room pouting, and cried himself to sleep. He then dreamed this marvelous HBO dream, only to wake still being able to walk. Never getting pushed. Never witnessing anything. No one dies, not even dear old Ned.
And then... the series begins. Maybe this is one of the spin-offs being considered. We can only hope... not. I do hope the last episode somehow salvages the savage interpretation bestowed upon us poor slobs that followed this amazing series.
I blame the two dudes at the helm, and myself a little for caring a bit too much about some stupid make believe story. I'm not going to get into a discussion about art equaling life or something else like that that is beyond my abilities or deeper comprehension. But I feel empty, even after the incredible spectacle that e5 was.
How do you screw up so many character arcs, some of which began in episode one of season one? So many situations could have been epic, but they weren't. Zombie Darth Vader on steriods, as one reviewer put it, was damn funny. He wasn't wrong. That fight should have been better. Fuck. Everything should have been better.
I do wonder what GRRM will have to say after next week's series finale airs. I wonder if there were behind-the-scenes battles, and he said, fuck it. He'll write his version and HBO et al will do their own. Again, I still enjoyed the episode, but when it's broken down into smaller, bite-sized, analyzed pieces, just about every scene fails to meet expectations. Yes, there were a few touching moments. Tyrion and Verys. I knew he was going to say, "Good bye, old friend." That's just something he would say. Tyrion and Jaime. Arya and Sandor. Even Jaime and Cersei. How could they not be touching moments? We've grown to love and hate them, just as we do with our own families. People are complex. So are these flawed characters. That's why we accepted them. They were make believably real. Even Jon denial of Auntie Dany's advance. Eww. Gross. We got that.
Maybe some of us, after the last episode, will go into a deeper discussion on this matter, but two things really bother me.
Firstly, Arya, a trained assassin, a person that had dedicated her life to a list, abandons the one name that EVERYONE wanted to see her personally strike from it. Seriously. What a huge missed opportunity. No, it's a royal fuck up. Another face. A skewering with Needle. Anything. But we got nothing. We are led to believe she 'came to her senses' and was confident that the thick, crumbling stone walls would kill Cersei, or the dragon fire, or Dragon's huge post-destruction rampage appetite, would end her life. Ugh. Nope.
Secondly, Winter is Coming. Come on! How many times did we hear that said in eight seasons? Oh, no more winter? I guess we'll get spring instead. Sheesh.
Okay, the scorpion bullshit was cool, but stupid. Hidden in the surrounding hills would have been acceptable. But at a thousand feet or more above the water, even I could see an armada. Plus, those damn bulky wooden arrows would not travel with that much velocity to do that kind of damage - three for three - then miss everything else for that, and the entire fifth episode. But back to Winter is Coming...
As much as I liked e3, and how the icy guy got it, that whole aspect was meticulously underdeveloped. It was like a conspiracy against good endings, just what GRRW said a good story requires. What about mini-battles? Ambushes? Dead guy reconnaissance missions? So many things could have been done to build up to the final battle. Why were the male babies taken? scribble. scribble. develop more please. Where did the lieutenants come from? more again please. And why, why the fuck why, did it take eight years to reach the wall and then beyond? Several years ago, a Canadian walked the distance of the equator and it took him eleven years. That's 24,901 miles. Such a huge component to the show. We waited almost eight years. Only then, to have our hopes and dreams shattered into a bunch of icy shards in less than 90 minutes. ugh.
Thinking about this show after my second viewing, and after reading several reviews, I got a nightmarish shiver of a thought...
I had earlier joked in this thread, referencing The Bob Newhart Show series finale dream sequence. I can't see how the damage done by Benioff and Weiss can be repaired in one minuscule episode. And they are they guys handling the final episode too. Not feeling anything, as if stunned or in shock, still waiting, it then came to me... only a dream sequence could fix this major fuck up. Please don't, but it could.
Maybe it was Bran all along, dreaming all of eight season's worth, while pouting in his room after Mama Stark scolded him for climbing. He agreed to no longer climb, ran to his room pouting, and cried himself to sleep. He then dreamed this marvelous HBO dream, only to wake still being able to walk. Never getting pushed. Never witnessing anything. No one dies, not even dear old Ned.
And then... the series begins. Maybe this is one of the spin-offs being considered. We can only hope... not. I do hope the last episode somehow salvages the savage interpretation bestowed upon us poor slobs that followed this amazing series.
The Linebacker
Holy Mad King, Batman! Like father, like daughter. Daenerys certainly went all Ghenghis Khan on King's Landing. Hmmm... why would you destroy the richest city in the realm? Oh hell, it's just money and riches. What!? Family madness maybe in action. Now Daenerys is a mass murderer of women and children. Make Cearcy look kind of tame, huh?
And if you've noticed, Jon Snow isn't into the family sex thing. Ever since he found out Daenerys is his auntie, he has refused to give up the penis, holding out on his psycho aunt. Now that she went all mass murderer, l wonder if his pecker is permanently off limits to Auntie Deanerys. Auntie treats are okay if it's cookies and ice cream, but your aunt's snatch? Yikes! Just say no!
And poor Tyrian. After freeing his brother Jaimie, you know he's going to be crispy treason toast early in the last episode. He'll have a date with the flame throwing reptile for sure.
And if you've noticed, Jon Snow isn't into the family sex thing. Ever since he found out Daenerys is his auntie, he has refused to give up the penis, holding out on his psycho aunt. Now that she went all mass murderer, l wonder if his pecker is permanently off limits to Auntie Deanerys. Auntie treats are okay if it's cookies and ice cream, but your aunt's snatch? Yikes! Just say no!
And poor Tyrian. After freeing his brother Jaimie, you know he's going to be crispy treason toast early in the last episode. He'll have a date with the flame throwing reptile for sure.
Gravelly-Voiced Fucker
I liked the episode quite a bit.
I am not really over-analyzing any of it, and while I agree they seem to be greatly rushing the story line here at the end, they are giving us the equivalent of 4 feature length movies to tie everything up (as well as a regular hour long episode right before the battle). So it's hard to complain that they are are hurrying - it's 6 hours of story.
I agree with you Ping, that the Winter they've been building up to for 8 years should have lasted longer than one episode.
IT was pretty easy to see the Dany=Mad Queen coming, but what I loved about this episode is that they really did the terror she caused justice. I was shocked that Dany lit up the place after the bells had sounded. It was a long, harrowing sequence where she burns Kings Landing, and you see the heartbreak close up and personal (when Arya tries to help the mother and child and then sees them dead was hard to watch).
I enjoyed the way they ended the Cersei/Jamie storyline. I have read complaints that Cersei is too passive, but what is she gonna do? She's played all her cards. She has nothing left. And the only thing that made her seem human and compassionate was her love for Jamie. It was fitting they died in each other's arms.
So yeah, they are fucking up the landing a little, but the show has been so good for so long I am willing to cut them a little slack. That said, tying ALL OF THIS up with just one final episode seems nearly impossible.
I am not really over-analyzing any of it, and while I agree they seem to be greatly rushing the story line here at the end, they are giving us the equivalent of 4 feature length movies to tie everything up (as well as a regular hour long episode right before the battle). So it's hard to complain that they are are hurrying - it's 6 hours of story.
I agree with you Ping, that the Winter they've been building up to for 8 years should have lasted longer than one episode.
IT was pretty easy to see the Dany=Mad Queen coming, but what I loved about this episode is that they really did the terror she caused justice. I was shocked that Dany lit up the place after the bells had sounded. It was a long, harrowing sequence where she burns Kings Landing, and you see the heartbreak close up and personal (when Arya tries to help the mother and child and then sees them dead was hard to watch).
I enjoyed the way they ended the Cersei/Jamie storyline. I have read complaints that Cersei is too passive, but what is she gonna do? She's played all her cards. She has nothing left. And the only thing that made her seem human and compassionate was her love for Jamie. It was fitting they died in each other's arms.
So yeah, they are fucking up the landing a little, but the show has been so good for so long I am willing to cut them a little slack. That said, tying ALL OF THIS up with just one final episode seems nearly impossible.
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I agree with you Ping, that the Winter they've been building up to for 8 years should have lasted longer than one episode.
IT was pretty easy to see the Dany=Mad Queen coming, but what I loved about this episode is that they really did the terror she caused justice. I was shocked that Dany lit up the place after the bells had sounded. It was a long, harrowing sequence where she burns Kings Landing, and you see the heartbreak close up and personal (when Arya tries to help the mother and child and then sees them dead was hard to watch).
One theory is Dany went mad because the ringing bells triggered her inner mad queen. ? I haven’t seen it, but during the post-episode debrief with B & W, they said Dany seeing the Red Keep triggered her off-message reaction. The history. The legacy. IDK.
Also, if B & W wanted to dragon cook someone for effect, it should have been one of the main characters. Maybe accidentally Cersei and Jaime as they ran for their lives with the rest of the citizens. Then, Arya recognizes their charred, intertwined bodies by of course, Jaime’s golden hand. That would have been dramatic, not the contrived death-product placement of the repeated showing of an unknown mom and daughter on Mother’s Day.
Interesting that the person who would literally do anything for her children, and did, died on Mother’s Day, failing to protect her reign and her unborn child.
Coincidence?
I don’t think so. I don’t give B & W that much credit.
But I did like the episode. It’s remarkable. So many people with so many complaints, but I only read one review that hated the episode. We are a forgiving bunch, aren’t we? ???
Her Royal Spriteness
you underestimate Daenerys. she didn't go suddenly mad. think about it. everyone she's ever trusted or loved has either died, failed, or betrayed her. including Jon, when he told Sansa who he was. she's aware that varys spread the word and how could she not know that Westeros will side with Jon rather than her? he's going to be pushed into being king, whether he wants to or not. her kiss was one last test, and he failed it. she risked her armies, losing half of them, her dragons, 2 of which died, and her dearest friends, who also died, to save winterfell and the north and all of the kingdoms and in return, she is shunned and still regarded as the enemy. her days were numbered - she'd targayrean. she'd be neutralized one way or another, and she knew it.
no, she did not go mad. the burning of king's landing was a demonstration of what she was capable of. she, singly handedly, destroyed the most powerful city in the west. it wasn't madness. it was a declaration. i will not go quietly. either accept me as your queen or i will destroy you.
no, she did not go mad. the burning of king's landing was a demonstration of what she was capable of. she, singly handedly, destroyed the most powerful city in the west. it wasn't madness. it was a declaration. i will not go quietly. either accept me as your queen or i will destroy you.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
This last season has been rushed I agree. BUT I have a few things that I have a problem with especially with the previous episode. Namely the Dothraki, didn't we see them go out like a candle in the middle of a hurricane? I mean they went all out and got wiped out. HOW are there still a few left? I agree Arya should have gone up to the stairs, but the hound talked her out of it and with their past relationship I can say if there was a person that could talk her down he was probably the only one. The brother's fighting it out was as I expected, there was no way little brother was going to kill Gregor in a fist/sword/anything fight. Walking huge zombie wasn't going to fall quickly. I loved that they fell into the fire and burned.
Jamie and Euron loved the fight, but Jamie got stabbed in the side TWICE. There was no way he should have made it that far. Again I know it's for TV but most of the other seasons have been true to human biology. If this were season one or two, Jamie would have taken three steps and fell.
Cersei dying under rubble was a big F U to all the people that wanted to see her burn by flames, hung, eaten, or some horrific death scene like her son.
I personally knew Daenerys was going to go off on Kings Landing. Especially after her second dragon got dusted, then her best friend got beheaded. Sanza doesn't like her and has poisoned the man she loves against her. People are hoping Jon, someone who doesn't even want the throne to be the next king. Did anyone see the look on her face after her friend's body fell to the floor. I did, I turned to my friends who were watching and I said "That city is going to BURN!" before she even turned around and walked away. Then she turned around and didn't even walk a straight line. Her brain went "FUCK IT!"
Then the scene came were she was on her dragon looking at the keep and the bell. And I knew what she was thinking "Don't you dare ring that bell!" My friend looked at me and said I was right. The dani everybody loved had exited the building. And I LOVED every moment of it. I was screaming at the television BURN IT ALL! It was the Dani I had known was under that fake facade for so many seasons, the moment she watched her brother's face melt and she didn't bat an eyelid I knew she was her father's daughter. Now all I have to wait for is if she kills Jon before he kills her. I LOVE Targaryens!
Jamie and Euron loved the fight, but Jamie got stabbed in the side TWICE. There was no way he should have made it that far. Again I know it's for TV but most of the other seasons have been true to human biology. If this were season one or two, Jamie would have taken three steps and fell.
Cersei dying under rubble was a big F U to all the people that wanted to see her burn by flames, hung, eaten, or some horrific death scene like her son.
I personally knew Daenerys was going to go off on Kings Landing. Especially after her second dragon got dusted, then her best friend got beheaded. Sanza doesn't like her and has poisoned the man she loves against her. People are hoping Jon, someone who doesn't even want the throne to be the next king. Did anyone see the look on her face after her friend's body fell to the floor. I did, I turned to my friends who were watching and I said "That city is going to BURN!" before she even turned around and walked away. Then she turned around and didn't even walk a straight line. Her brain went "FUCK IT!"
Then the scene came were she was on her dragon looking at the keep and the bell. And I knew what she was thinking "Don't you dare ring that bell!" My friend looked at me and said I was right. The dani everybody loved had exited the building. And I LOVED every moment of it. I was screaming at the television BURN IT ALL! It was the Dani I had known was under that fake facade for so many seasons, the moment she watched her brother's face melt and she didn't bat an eyelid I knew she was her father's daughter. Now all I have to wait for is if she kills Jon before he kills her. I LOVE Targaryens!
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you underestimate Daenerys. she didn't go suddenly mad. think about it. everyone she's ever trusted or loved has either died, failed, or betrayed her. including Jon, when he told Sansa who he was. she's aware that varys spread the word and how could she not know that Westeros will side with Jon rather than her? he's going to be pushed into being king, whether he wants to or not. her kiss was one last test, and he failed it. she risked her armies, losing half of them, her dragons, 2 of which died, and her dearest friends, who also died, to save winterfell and the north and all of the kingdoms and in return, she is shunned and still regarded as the enemy. her days were numbered - she'd targayrean. she'd be neutralized one way or another, and she knew it.
no, she did not go mad. the burning of king's landing was a demonstration of what she was capable of. she, singly handedly, destroyed the most powerful city in the west. it wasn't madness. it was a declaration. i will not go quietly. either accept me as your queen or i will destroy you.
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This last season has been rushed I agree. BUT I have a few things that I have a problem with especially with the previous episode. Namely the Dothraki, didn't we see them go out like a candle in the middle of a hurricane? I mean they went all out and got wiped out. HOW are there still a few left? I agree Arya should have gone up to the stairs, but the hound talked her out of it and with their past relationship I can say if there was a person that could talk her down he was probably the only one. The brother's fighting it out was as I expected, there was no way little brother was going to kill Gregor in a fist/sword/anything fight. Walking huge zombie wasn't going to fall quickly. I loved that they fell into the fire and burned.
Jamie and Euron loved the fight, but Jamie got stabbed in the side TWICE. There was no way he should have made it that far. Again I know it's for TV but most of the other seasons have been true to human biology. If this were season one or two, Jamie would have taken three steps and fell.
Cersei dying under rubble was a big F U to all the people that wanted to see her burn by flames, hung, eaten, or some horrific death scene like her son.
I personally knew Daenerys was going to go off on Kings Landing. Especially after her second dragon got dusted, then her best friend got beheaded. Sanza doesn't like her and has poisoned the man she loves against her. People are hoping Jon, someone who doesn't even want the throne to be the next king. Did anyone see the look on her face after her friend's body fell to the floor. I did, I turned to my friends who were watching and I said "That city is going to BURN!" before she even turned around and walked away. Then she turned around and didn't even walk a straight line. Her brain went "FUCK IT!"
Then the scene came were she was on her dragon looking at the keep and the bell. And I knew what she was thinking "Don't you dare ring that bell!" My friend looked at me and said I was right. The dani everybody loved had exited the building. And I LOVED every moment of it. I was screaming at the television BURN IT ALL! It was the Dani I had known was under that fake facade for so many seasons, the moment she watched her brother's face melt and she didn't bat an eyelid I knew she was her father's daughter. Now all I have to wait for is if she kills Jon before he kills her. I LOVE Targaryens!
Thanks for chiming in. Yes, we knew from her expression that she was more than just pissed. I wonder if they pondered having her character look for Jon to accidentally/intentionally roast him and his right to the throne, in the streets. So many questions. I just read an article that listed 50 questions left unanswered, many of which we have all listed here. As I said, I too liked the episode. I also wanted the end to be controversial, not lame. One more episode to see which of those two scales is saddled with more weight.
Her Royal Spriteness
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Thanks for chiming in. Yes, we knew from her expression that she was more than just pissed. I wonder if they pondered having her character look for Jon to accidentally/intentionally roast him and his right to the throne, in the streets. So many questions. I just read an article that listed 50 questions left unanswered, many of which we have all listed here. As I said, I too liked the episode. I also wanted the end to be controversial, not lame. One more episode to see which of those two scales is saddled with more weight.
personally, and i'm not proud of this, but i really want to see Dany and Drogon roast Jon. ok, i take that back. i am proud of it.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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personally, and i'm not proud of this, but i really want to see Dany and Drogon roast Jon. ok, i take that back. i am proud of it.
That whole reluctance thing is annoying. I do sense a few more will fall. Tyrion then Dany seem the obvious ones.
If you haven’t, check out the ten minute HBO after-the-show clip on YouTube. Benioff and Weiss discuss why they had the characters do what they did in episode five. As you’ve said, Dany’s not gone mad. But the Red Keep does trigger her. However, I don’t fully understand why she made the abrupt decision, as they say she did.
She once said she did not want to be the queen of ashes. Now she is.
If you look back at how emotionless she is with various executions, starting with her brother and his gold crown, she could take out Tyrion, Jon, Sansa, and anyone else that she feels has betrayed her, and not bat an eye.
What Arya’s role is or will be is perplexing. I can’t recall those two characters ever meeting. I wonder if they will. ?
Will Bran be the last man standing? ?
I do hope for a monster plot twist of some sort that makes perfect sense; something that everyone won’t see coming. Maybe Drogon has a magical lover named, Puff. And they have babies.
Maybe the Ice Dude is still alive somehow and all the bodies rise and battle the humans. I’m sensing the last image will be a close up of dead someone the fans like, Maybe a charcoal Jon, and then his eyes open... blue.
Who else has green eyes, man, woman, dire wolf, or dragon? They’ve mentioned krakens before. Do any exist? I’d like to see that.
Rookie Scribe
To be fair, she's only razzed one city. Not really a queen of ashes yet..
Primus Omnium
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i didn't write this - Aaron Bady did, but i think it sums things up perfectly. -
"It just might possibly be that the gendering of the situation makes it a little bit easier to see them undermining her, in everyone’s best interest — even hers — without being marked by disloyalty, because patriarchy lets you “serve” a woman while also ruling her. Maybe the gendering of the situation makes it easier to see her as abruptly “turning” in a moment of rage and madness and grief and burning King’s Landing. Maybe because she’s young and pretty, and has always been surrounded by male advisors, we overlook how well she’s learned the lessons that Olenna and Cersei have taught, and how completely in line with those lessons her actions are.
But a deeper problem is that we don’t want to admit that Daenerys is right, because we don’t want to admit what monarchy is. There are no good kings and queens, something Varys should have known (Jon Snow would be a good king, maybe, and his reign would be extremely short). Kings and queens are selfish people who will kill you when they need you to die; while Tyrion should have been reading Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Carl Schmitt, Daenerys was out learning, in the field, what exactly the throne is. She is open about it. She is honest. She had wanted everyone to love her, and tried to make it happen. But as the people who loved her kept dying — and as her “allies” turned against her and her enemies grew stronger — she correctly identified the failure of this strategy, and changed tactics. Just like she attacked the ships from the sun — ambushing them instead of letting them ambush her — she has abandoned a failing tactic, based on her knowledge of the field of play, and adopted a winning one.
And she wins. She has an effectively unkillable dragon and her army is victorious; while Jon and Tyrion and Sansa and Arya were out there doing literally nothing, she ran the board. No one loves her, but is anyone going to fuck with her? Is anyone really going to fuck with her? After that?
The problem is that we, the audience, expect her to be different. We expect the will of the governed to matter, and we expect a throne to be replaced with something different and better, something like, I don’t know, just spit-balling here, a two-party representative republican democracy with a free press and a bill of rights and a separation of church and state. We are moderns, and we like these characters, so — with the same anachronistic illusions as bedevil so many period dramas (where white people never seem to be racist, for example, and women often manage to enjoy full social personhood) — we expect them to be moderns too. Tyrion and Varys and Jon want a different world — our world, we narcissistically assume — and so we imagine they are the good guys, and that they will win; we imagine that they are seeing clearly and working to bring about Hope and Change.
But none of these people live in a world of hope and change. They live in a world where dragons kill sheep, where you either win or you die, and where “politics” is the maneuvering amongst allies, rivals, and enemies, a game of thrones in which “the people” only suffer. What Daenerys (like Olenna and Cersei) believes, and commits to, makes this the only interesting episode of the season: that power is power."
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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The White Walkers were the most honest ones in the whole thing.
Just like the real Middle Ages, all rulers were murderous tyrants. I would have made a marvelous tyrant. In fact, l will be a marvelous tyrant...
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Just like the real Middle Ages, all rulers were murderous tyrants. I would have made a marvelous tyrant. In fact, l will be a marvelous tyrant...
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I give Benioff and Weiss all the credit for bringing this series to TV.
I also blame them for the downturn in the last two seasons. They didn't want to do it anymore and they didn't want to hand the reins over to anyone else. I kind of understand that, but at the same time HBO has been increasing their budget every year. So they could have made ten seasons that tied up all the character arcs sufficiently and still provided all the payoffs with big battles etc.
I was surprised that this last episode got the lowest rotten tomatoes score of any in the series. The lesson here, is that you should make a show with a definitive beginning and end.
If this was on network TV, they would have turned it into "Lost" and driven it into the ground.
I recently watched a great documentary called "The Platinum Age of Television." From the Sopranos the GOT it outlines the evolution of modern TV. I think that this will help to show network executives what people actually want to see.
I Haven't been as critical of this last season as some, because I understand the limits of film making. I still see this as one of the best TV shows in history and it will go down as one of the pivotal shows ever.
As for my predictions... I always thought that John Snow would abolish the 7 kingdoms (which is kind of like the Holy Roman Empire) and allow all the kingdoms to govern themselves independently.
I also blame them for the downturn in the last two seasons. They didn't want to do it anymore and they didn't want to hand the reins over to anyone else. I kind of understand that, but at the same time HBO has been increasing their budget every year. So they could have made ten seasons that tied up all the character arcs sufficiently and still provided all the payoffs with big battles etc.
I was surprised that this last episode got the lowest rotten tomatoes score of any in the series. The lesson here, is that you should make a show with a definitive beginning and end.
If this was on network TV, they would have turned it into "Lost" and driven it into the ground.
I recently watched a great documentary called "The Platinum Age of Television." From the Sopranos the GOT it outlines the evolution of modern TV. I think that this will help to show network executives what people actually want to see.
I Haven't been as critical of this last season as some, because I understand the limits of film making. I still see this as one of the best TV shows in history and it will go down as one of the pivotal shows ever.
As for my predictions... I always thought that John Snow would abolish the 7 kingdoms (which is kind of like the Holy Roman Empire) and allow all the kingdoms to govern themselves independently.
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I Haven't been as critical of this last season as some, because I understand the limits of film making. I still see this as one of the best TV shows in history and it will go down as one of the pivotal shows ever.
As for my predictions... I always thought that John Snow would abolish the 7 kingdoms (which is kind of like the Holy Roman Empire) and allow all the kingdoms to govern themselves independently.
My beef isn’t with the film making - it’s been amazing - but with the story telling. They decided to sell an under cooked steak with too much sizzle. Some would send it back to the chef, others would just eat it without complaining - until they got diarrhea.
Since I no longer watch the Star Wars stuff, I won’t be subjected to B & W’s interpretation. Too bad they rushed through this to get to that.
If Cersei and Dany were mirrors of each other, including and preference for violence, then Dany’s arc should end by getting sat on and crushed by Drogon. Are Dany’s eyes green?
After that, I have no idea how it will end, or even how I’d want it to end. I do wonder what Bronn will do now that he won’t get paid for his crossbow threat on Jaime and Tyrion.
With her vengeance extinction, are we in store for a Arya/Baratheon coupling to rule the seven rousts?
Also, will Varys’s little kitchen bird, Martha, try again later? Does it have anything to do with Varys removing his rings? Are they like Sansa’s removable necklace gems from a certain wedding? That ring scene sure seemed like a deliberate attempt at foreshadowing.
I honestly can’t think of a satisfying ending. But episode 5 does not deserve that low hanging tomato fruit rating. It wasn’t great, but it was spectacular.
With three days and a bit before arguably the most epic made-for-television series comes to an end, I've become awash in melancholy. Just because I've been somewhat critical, does not mean I won't miss it. Just because someone objects to something, doesn't mean they don't care about it. It usually means the opposite. The feeling of loss reminds me of political campaigns I've managed, or a large-scale sporting event like The Olympics or World Cup nearing the end of its run. With all, such wonderfully, memorable journeys that end, and soon, GoT will be no more.
So, think on these things...
Does Arya's riding away on a white horse mean that she died, even though she's in the e6 trailer? The actor did say her last scene was by herself and on occasion, the showrunners do like to mislead the viewers. Or, is it similar to season four when she told Sandor that she wanted her own horse, she got one, and it was white. Is the dirty white horse more about independence, or more specifically freedom from something, like the commitment to her list? Or maybe, about a purity that lies beneath all the dirt of humanity?
Ice and Fire. Robert Frost wrote about it. Recently, someone suggested that the first three episodes of season eight were about ice. The last three, about fire. Both destructive features of humanity. However, ice, as in glaciers, take a lengthy time and carve the landscape, but fire destroys quickly and renews. Was the majority of the first seven seasons, like ice? Does the e5 fire bombing set the stage for renewal and regrowth by or for Mother Earth versus the Mother of Dragons?
Daenerys named each of her dragons after someone in her life that died. Is Drogon, named after Khal Drogo, next? Can humanity really move forward with a dragon still about?
Bran said it. They never go away, or they will always be around. When the male babies were taken, and then the Night King converted, without killing, the baby to have his icy blue eyes, does that mean that that is where the lieutenants come from? Does that mean that some White Walkers still exist? Does that mean that only those within the controlled range of the Night King perished, and those still maturing and not in battle in e3, are preparing for the next wave of winter?
Lastly, I read an interesting theory. I won't go into detail, but it would be really cool if both the above query, and this one, were addressed in the finale. Check out the gif of Jaqen H'ghar below. Check out that streak of light coloured hair. Who, or what family, has hair that colour? If this is his real hair, but he only uses this face so we the viewers, and Arya, recognize him, then could his real face be that of someone we were all lead to believe had died many years ago? Could this person's death have started the whole damn war?
So, think on these things...
Does Arya's riding away on a white horse mean that she died, even though she's in the e6 trailer? The actor did say her last scene was by herself and on occasion, the showrunners do like to mislead the viewers. Or, is it similar to season four when she told Sandor that she wanted her own horse, she got one, and it was white. Is the dirty white horse more about independence, or more specifically freedom from something, like the commitment to her list? Or maybe, about a purity that lies beneath all the dirt of humanity? Ice and Fire. Robert Frost wrote about it. Recently, someone suggested that the first three episodes of season eight were about ice. The last three, about fire. Both destructive features of humanity. However, ice, as in glaciers, take a lengthy time and carve the landscape, but fire destroys quickly and renews. Was the majority of the first seven seasons, like ice? Does the e5 fire bombing set the stage for renewal and regrowth by or for Mother Earth versus the Mother of Dragons? Daenerys named each of her dragons after someone in her life that died. Is Drogon, named after Khal Drogo, next? Can humanity really move forward with a dragon still about? Bran said it. They never go away, or they will always be around. When the male babies were taken, and then the Night King converted, without killing, the baby to have his icy blue eyes, does that mean that that is where the lieutenants come from? Does that mean that some White Walkers still exist? Does that mean that only those within the controlled range of the Night King perished, and those still maturing and not in battle in e3, are preparing for the next wave of winter? Lastly, I read an interesting theory. I won't go into detail, but it would be really cool if both the above query, and this one, were addressed in the finale. Check out the gif of Jaqen H'ghar below. Check out that streak of light coloured hair. Who, or what family, has hair that colour? If this is his real hair, but he only uses this face so we the viewers, and Arya, recognize him, then could his real face be that of someone we were all lead to believe had died many years ago? Could this person's death have started the whole damn war? Nerdzilla
Silent Dreamer
So I wrote a poem... you should read it
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/love-poems/-burnout-.aspx
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/love-poems/-burnout-.aspx
Wild at Heart
They should have had Cersei actually escape and make it to some remote island or corner of the world with no money or anything and have her try to tell people she’s Cersei Lannister and all the locals end up laughing at her saying oh look the crazy lady is screaming about how shes the queen again. Would have been an awful fate for the best villain of the show.
